Yeah it didn't work, so I just posted here rather in that thread again because they get mad you real easy for something like requesting a song again.

[QUOTE=slappindabass]My ex-best friend (I moved) hated Petrucci and said the same **** that all he does is shred. Of course, he listened to bands like Rancid and just punk stuff, which really involves no talent. So I just told him he's only saying that because he can't do it. People criticize what they don't understand. If Rancid's guitarists are stars, Petrucci is the galaxy. He can play anything they can, and write it, and then some. Who's better? You decide.[/QUOTE]

Thats not even close to being true... people criticize what they dont like, not what they dont understand. Do people go around criticizing the universe, or physics or evolution? I didn't think so. Your friend listens to what he considers to be 'good music' and I dont see anything wrong with that. Let him have his own views, he may not fully appreciate the talent of JP but whatever, thats his own ignorance for not caring.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]All you people are not true.


Octavarium is just about DT's best album. It show's the band is maturing. If you still want I&W or Awake then you need to grow up.


The album is each member of the bands best and most rounded performance to date and they finally work together as they haven't since KM left. This is where they should have gone after SFaM.

The title track is amazing; on the same level as A Change of Seasons.


IMO :p[/QUOTE]

i would have to disagree esp with the statement that the new stuff is ACOS good. While the production of the album is some of the best yet (they are finally turning Myung's bass up in the mix), I am getting really tired of the formula the band is using the last couple of albums. They are basically taking other peoples music, like Tool, Pink Floyd, Muse and others and stealing the style and mashing it with a standard DT middle crazy section. The lryics are getting really annoying, along with the vocals. the S.O.P. for JP's and JR's solos are getting extremely boring. They do the same **** every solo. I enjoy the fact that the music has become heavier but they getting a little repetitive imo. On earlier albums like SFAM and ACOS, every solo was different and memorable and maybe most imortant, melodic. but now every single solo is 64th note masterbation spams.

I dont know whos writing the most lryics now, but they are high school level duimb. I cant take it anymore with the cliches. Labrie's voice is bad as ever, and i dont think the band can keep evolving with jordan or labrie in the band.
I also think that Labries voice isnt meshing well with the heavier stuff. he's just imitating Mustaine and hetfield and i tend to crack up laughing when I hear that ****.

I respect Jp's growth as a guitarist, hes better than ever, I think though that a new keyboardist (or bringing KM back) would move the band forward, as would shutting labrie up and getting a new singer. Im assuming you guys have heard O.S.I. THOSE are the keyboard styles that belong in DT. O.S.I. also has some of the best portnoy stuff ive heard. The vocals and lryics are better than that of DT imo.

sorry for the rant, I just got through listening the the whole song Octavarium and got really pissed. Its started out with a complete Shine on You Crazy Diamond rip, then I hear some Tool **** in there as well, and the lyrics blow.

Im a huge fan Of DT, and it sucks that the band is making music I dont like. Its wierd, Im normally a person who likes it when bands get heavier. I just dont think DT is making true DT music... :confused:

Could somebody tell me about OSI? I want to know if its worth checking out...DT is my favorite band, I like the progressive/metal/virtuostic element. I picked up Transatlantic's DVD...and its really progressive, but not quite as metal or virtuostic as I like...how is OSI for that?

I like the album, but i think some of the lyrcs are extremely poor, such as in I Walk Beside You, Sacrificed Sons, and the chorus of The Answer Lies Within. Just to cheesy for my taste, sometimes you can pull off a song like those, but really, they didn't. As for Sons, it was too full of anti-Bush lyrics, kinda took away from the rest of the music.

[QUOTE=juggalotricksta]Could somebody tell me about OSI? I want to know if its worth checking out...DT is my favorite band, I like the progressive/metal/virtuostic element. I picked up Transatlantic's DVD...and its really progressive, but not quite as metal or virtuostic as I like...how is OSI for that?[/QUOTE]



OSI is brilliant. It's Progressive electro rock. Hard to explain really. Definitly worth the money though (typically excellent InsideOut packaging too).

[QUOTE=r0und3r]i would have to disagree esp with the statement that the new stuff is ACOS good. While the production of the album is some of the best yet (they are finally turning Myung's bass up in the mix), I am getting really tired of the formula the band is using the last couple of albums. They are basically taking other peoples music, like Tool, Pink Floyd, Muse and others and stealing the style and mashing it with a standard DT middle crazy section. The lryics are getting really annoying, along with the vocals. the S.O.P. for JP's and JR's solos are getting extremely boring. They do the same **** every solo. I enjoy the fact that the music has become heavier but they getting a little repetitive imo. On earlier albums like SFAM and ACOS, every solo was different and memorable and maybe most imortant, melodic. but now every single solo is 64th note masterbation spams.

I dont know whos writing the most lryics now, but they are high school level duimb. I cant take it anymore with the cliches. Labrie's voice is bad as ever, and i dont think the band can keep evolving with jordan or labrie in the band.
I also think that Labries voice isnt meshing well with the heavier stuff. he's just imitating Mustaine and hetfield and i tend to crack up laughing when I hear that ****.

I respect Jp's growth as a guitarist, hes better than ever, I think though that a new keyboardist (or bringing KM back) would move the band forward, as would shutting labrie up and getting a new singer. Im assuming you guys have heard O.S.I. THOSE are the keyboard styles that belong in DT. O.S.I. also has some of the best portnoy stuff ive heard. The vocals and lryics are better than that of DT imo.

sorry for the rant, I just got through listening the the whole song Octavarium and got really pissed. Its started out with a complete Shine on You Crazy Diamond rip, then I hear some Tool **** in there as well, and the lyrics blow.

Im a huge fan Of DT, and it sucks that the band is making music I dont like. Its wierd, Im normally a person who likes it when bands get heavier. I just dont think DT is making true DT music... :confused:[/QUOTE]



I love LaBrie's voice on Octavarium. It's fantastic.


Octavarium is the album where DT pay tribute to their influences so it's hardly surprising it sounds very reminiscent of bands like Pink Floyd and Yes.

There's one song on Octavarium that I really cannot stand, just because of the vocals. But faith is restored, in the title track, just towards the end where he is yelling "Trapped in this Octavarium" or similar. I think that's pretty good.

I hate track 4 on 8vm, I already said it sounds like a U2 song.

[quote]i would have to disagree esp with the statement that the new stuff is ACOS good. While the production of the album is some of the best yet (they are finally turning Myung's bass up in the mix), I am getting really tired of the formula the band is using the last couple of albums. They are basically taking other peoples music, like Tool, Pink Floyd, Muse and others and stealing the style and mashing it with a standard DT middle crazy section. The lryics are getting really annoying, along with the vocals. the S.O.P. for JP's and JR's solos are getting extremely boring. They do the same **** every solo. I enjoy the fact that the music has become heavier but they getting a little repetitive imo. On earlier albums like SFAM and ACOS, every solo was different and memorable and maybe most imortant, melodic. but now every single solo is 64th note masterbation spams.[/quote]
I agree for the most part, but you have to admit Octavarium was an improvement over ToT.
[quote]I dont know whos writing the most lryics now, but they are high school level duimb. [/quote]
Yeah, I cringe at every line of The Answer Lies Within. These guys tried to rewrite Another Day, and failed... miserably. Oh well, at least there was no sax.
[quote]I love LaBrie's voice on Octavarium. It's fantastic.[/quote]
Yeah, I think it was pretty sweet.

I agree that DT really lost their identity. Every song sounds like a different band, whether its Floyd, Muse, U2, or Linkin Park, there's no DT left.

i say LaBrie's vocal parts on Octavarium (throughout the whole album) proves that he is a good singer. its much less annoying than the vocals found on metropolis pt 2 and IAW

[QUOTE=McClain]I like the album, but i think some of the lyrcs are extremely poor, such as in I Walk Beside You, Sacrificed Sons, and the chorus of The Answer Lies Within. Just to cheesy for my taste, sometimes you can pull off a song like those, but really, they didn't. As for Sons, it was too full of anti-Bush lyrics, kinda took away from the rest of the music.[/QUOTE]

Sons isn't anti-Bush in any way - its about 9/11. Its anti-Osama/Islamic fundamentalists.

I hate the lyrics though - its crass in the extreme, and more to the point, they'd already covered the same ground in a far superior way with In The Name of God. I like it musically though.

[QUOTE=red barchetta]i say LaBrie's vocal parts on Octavarium (throughout the whole album) proves that he is a good singer. its much less annoying than the vocals found on metropolis pt 2 and IAW[/QUOTE]
I think he had a different vocal coach this time. I love his vocals on this one!

The lyrics stink on Octavarium, no question. And LaBrie has to go. He has not aged well as the band has gotten heavier in sound. He's essentially a power metal singer, not suited to Dream Theater's utter lack of fantasy elements, and their pretentions to musical sophistication. I just can't stand his voice anymore.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Thats true. But those jazz musicians probably couldn't make progressive metal the way Dream Theater does.[/QUOTE]

And Dream Theater can't make jazz the way the jazz musicians can...What's your point? :D

I'm just talking about pure technical skill.

[QUOTE]Do people go around criticizing the universe, or physics or evolution?[/QUOTE]

religion criticizes all three of those things....

I still think DT should go back to IaW era personally. The locals were at their most catchiest, the keys were at their best, the guitar was really well done, quite original really for a "metal" band.

JP's heavy riffs are abit sucky really, there quite nu metal and are heavy in a cr*ppy way. Im sticking with old school IaW lol

[QUOTE=ThePanicInNeedlePark]religion criticizes all three of those things....

I still think DT should go back to IaW era personally. The locals were at their most catchiest, the keys were at their best, the guitar was really well done, quite original really for a "metal" band.

JP's heavy riffs are abit sucky really, there quite nu metal and are heavy in a cr*ppy way. Im sticking with old school IaW lol[/QUOTE]
I respect your opinion, but whats the point of being a PROGRESSIVE band if your gonna return to your old sound? They are constantly evolving and changing their sound, and it doesn't gets old (well for me at least).

[QUOTE=Cain]The lyrics stink on Octavarium, no question. And LaBrie has to go. He has not aged well as the band has gotten heavier in sound. He's essentially a power metal singer, not suited to Dream Theater's utter lack of fantasy elements, and their pretentions to musical sophistication. I just can't stand his voice anymore.[/QUOTE]


He's not a power metal vocalist at all...

That's a completely different style.

[quote]But those jazz musicians probably couldn't make progressive metal the way Dream Theater does.[/quote]
Dream Theater is hardly a progressive band anymore.
[quote]JP's heavy riffs are abit sucky really, there quite nu metal and are heavy in a cr*ppy way.[/quote]
Yeah, that's pretty true, but his riffs that don't try to be uber heavy are awesome.
[quote]He's not a power metal vocalist at all...[/quote]
Haha, yeah really. I thought the vocals were great on Octavarium, the lyrics were poor at points, but the vocals themselves were fine. Except for the Muse parts.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]Dream Theater is hardly a progressive band anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty true, but his riffs that don't try to be uber heavy are awesome.

Haha, yeah really. I thought the vocals were great on Octavarium, the lyrics were poor at points, but the vocals themselves were fine. Except for the Muse parts.[/QUOTE]

I was disappointed with Octavarium...

It was very atmospheric, i will give it that. However, the whole band seems to have been toned down a lot. No more long long solos, no more of the occasional ultra heaviness...it all seems to have been abandoned to make the music more radio friendly. That's what it sounds like...watered down metal.

It was a decent release...however, it was not the Dream Theater we know, nor was it one of Dream Theater's best.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]He's not a power metal vocalist at all...

That's a completely different style.[/QUOTE]

Loud bellow-singing with lots of vibrato?

I mean, I see your point, but still, Labrie can hardly stand accused of being a very nuanced singer.

I take back the power metal singer thought. I was really sort of complaining about LaBrie's rather toneless, thoughtless way of singing. I don't think it is suited to any part of Dream Theater's current sound.

[quote]
It was very atmospheric, i will give it that. However, the whole band seems to have been toned down a lot. No more long long solos, no more of the occasional ultra heaviness...it all seems to have been abandoned to make the music more radio friendly. That's what it sounds like...watered down metal.[/quote]
I was never really a fan of the Train of Thought heaviness, but at the same time a lot of songs on 8vm sound like pop songs... They forgot how to write songs with structures like on IaW...

Portnoy needs to stop listening to Muse and Weezer and throw on some Rush dammit!

um... i just noticed it said Vocals and Percussion next to James LABrie on the Live At Budokan CD.
Percussion? What did he do?

He had a hand-held shaker on some songs, namely Hollow Years.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]I was never really a fan of the Train of Thought heaviness, but at the same time a lot of songs on 8vm sound like pop songs... They forgot how to write songs with structures like on IaW...

Portnoy needs to stop listening to Muse and Weezer and throw on some Rush dammit![/QUOTE]

Do you mean they forgot how to write songs with the structure used in IaW or that they just forgot how to write structures, yet they used to know how like on IaW?

Either way, that doesn't really make sense. Some songs on IaW don't really have a structure. Look at "Learning To Live". It's probably my favorite DT song, but it's just one part after another. How is this a structure? "Another Day" was written to be a single, so stop acting like DT starting pulling this **** now. However, I do happen to think that AD is a lot better than The Answer Lies Within and I Stand Beside You *shudders*.

[quote]Some songs on IaW don't really have a structure. Look at "Learning To Live". [/quote]
Yeah, that's what I mean. That kind of stuff is interesting to listen to. I honestly don't see what's very progressive (other than being different from their previous albums) about ToT or 8vm, save a few songs here and there.

[QUOTE=Cain]The lyrics stink on Octavarium, no question. And LaBrie has to go. He has not aged well as the band has gotten heavier in sound. He's essentially a power metal singer, not suited to Dream Theater's utter lack of fantasy elements, and their pretentions to musical sophistication. I just can't stand his voice anymore.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the lyrics are terrible on Octavarium, but I'm the kind of person who thinks of good lyrics as a bonus. I still enjoy LaBrie's vocals, and I think Octavarium is great album, other than the lyrics of course.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]Yeah, that's what I mean. That kind of stuff is interesting to listen to. I honestly don't see what's very progressive (other than being different from their previous albums) about ToT or 8vm, save a few songs here and there.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I see what you're saying. It seems a lot of it now is just verse chorus different verse chorus instrumental jam session for 5 minutes chorus outro. It gets lame after awhile. Especially since they are really just keyboard and guitar solos and don't really add anything to the song instead of how songs on IaW had different sections that added to the song and they were able to keep the pomp metal instrumentals down a lot (except for Metropolis Pt. 1, but it still seems to fit into the song). Some of the instrumental parts are so unneccesary. Was that instrumental section needed in "Sacrificed Sons"? How bout just putting in a few different parts that actually aren't just soloing? That song gets ruined by the instrumental section and the poor lyrics. A very nice melody. I also think the jam session in Octavarium doesn't fit with the song at all. It sounds so silly in parts of it (while that little acoustic lick is very awesome). Not to mention the fact that the lyrics to one of the sections is terrible (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper, etc.). Petrucci is the only member of the band that can actually write decent lyrics and he really should be the only one writing lyrics.

I don't mind LaBrie's vocals on Octavarium, which is rare for me. Sometimes his vocals can literally ruin the music for me, but I think he sounds okay at times on the new album. It wasn't the biggest effort from the band though, but I still enjoy the album. Panic Attack is my favorite song.

They should take Myung's poetry and use it as lyrics again. They only stopped because they got lazy turning abstract poetry into a structured song.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]They should take Myung's poetry and use it as lyrics again. They only stopped because they got lazy turning abstract poetry into a structured song.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I really like Myungs lyrics.

I'm not an expert on the band so what albums/songs did they use Myung's poetry to make the lyrics?

[QUOTE=guitarded_chuck]I'm not an expert on the band so what albums/songs did they use Myung's poetry to make the lyrics?[/QUOTE]
Well, I know he wrote the lyics on the song "Learning to Live".

[QUOTE=EddieVanHalen769]Well, I know he wrote the lyics on the song "Learning to Live".[/QUOTE]
Myung's just bloody awesome.

He wrote the lyrics on Lifting Shadows Of A Dream. Which I can't make sense of but that's ok because it's a coo song :)

[QUOTE=Eggo]And Dream Theater can't make jazz the way the jazz musicians can...What's your point? :D

I'm just talking about pure technical skill.[/QUOTE]
They probably could make some decent jazz...

^ Question able.

I wouldn't be so sure of that... Petrucci just doesn't seem to have the... what's the word...

I was really annoyed by Petrucci's lyrics in Sacrificed Sons. I don't need politics in my Dream Theater.

I think Labrie wrote the lyrics to SS.

[QUOTE=The End]Thats not even close to being true... people criticize what they dont like, not what they dont understand. Do people go around criticizing the universe, or physics or evolution? I didn't think so. Your friend listens to what he considers to be 'good music' and I dont see anything wrong with that. Let him have his own views, he may not fully appreciate the talent of JP but whatever, thats his own ignorance for not caring.[/QUOTE]

Okay I'm sorry mom. That was basically my life wrapped up in a paragraph, it goes way beyond what I wrote. I don't even understand what you're saying. As for people criticizing physics, yeh millions do. They'd rather believe religious texts than science. The age old battle: science vs. relgion. And don't even get me started on evolution. Think before you speak, idiot.