Why do you feel that they are greedy, I think the hate has moved nowadays from Lars to hetfield ever since st anger because evryone keeps saying he is a poser and evrything, I dont see anything worng with him. How come all these so called metallica fans seem to always hate a certain member of the band, whats the ****in point man?
You dont know these ppl so how can you hate them, it is not like they are pop stars acting all hard or posing all the time. Yopu can hate pop stars for these pruposes for when you see them on Saturday morning tv shows and **** but metallica? They are a metal band, anything other than the music remains between the band and family, you cannot hate them because you do not know them!

...they sold out hugely, load and re-load were not metal, St. Anger is... not GOOD metal, how are the NOT greedy?

[QUOTE=Squirrel_h4x]Thanks :thumb:

Btoto - some people wear bands or tape around their palmsto A: look cooler and B: it can give a rougher sound to your palm muting; try it with masking tape and it puts an edge to the tone.[/QUOTE]

thanks pal. however i think it's useless. why didn't he use it before?

[QUOTE=LordDargon]...they sold out hugely, load and re-load were not metal, St. Anger is... not GOOD metal, how are the NOT greedy?[/QUOTE]

Maybe because they just didn't like the fact that people were downloading their songs.

For example, people download separate songs, but Metallica prefers them to buy albums, because :

They hear every song, like, the album is the painting, and people just download a part of it, plus they want people to read the lyrics. Just One possibility.

B.b.b.b.b.but Lars can play the intro to Nothing Else Matters! He rawks.

Not.


Now now kiddies. Do the right thing. If it is an album with one or two songs you like then the rest are fillers, download the songs you like. If it is a great album then buy it.

Thats why people don't buy rap albums.

[QUOTE=Morning_Glory]Why do you feel that they are greedy, I think the hate has moved nowadays from Lars to hetfield ever since st anger because evryone keeps saying he is a poser and evrything, I dont see anything worng with him. How come all these so called metallica fans seem to always hate a certain member of the band, whats the ****in point man?
You dont know these ppl so how can you hate them, it is not like they are pop stars acting all hard or posing all the time. You can hate pop stars for these pruposes for when you see them on Saturday morning tv shows and **** but metallica? They are a metal band, anything other than the music remains between the band and family, you cannot hate them because you do not know them![/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying, and I agree. Thing is, all the real hardcore fans don't like this new image they've made for themselves through St. Anger. I personally still like them just as much as ever. Also, I don't see anything wrong with any of the band-members, the only thing that annoys me about them is the way they treated Newsted but thats a different story!

Newsted was a twat who couldn't play.


Now Hetfield has his hair back, his sin of St Anger is redeemed...



Actually some of St Anger was good, if it was by ANYONE else I would like it as a nu-metal album, as it stands its a letdown and I want thrash
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[QUOTE=LordDargon]^^ Ok. So then the whole band blows :p

Their music (old stuff) is great, beyond great, it's perfect. But they, as people, are now greedy asswipes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... I don't understand where they went wrong. When the 'Wherever I May Roam' tour began after the Black Album was released, they allowed fans to record the concert and sell bootlegged material because they figured that people at the concerts already owned most of their stuff anyways. Somewhere, though, the fame got to them and now, yes, they are greedy asswipes.

And to whoever said Lars blows, I highly disagree with that. Lars began Metallica with Hugh Grant, James Hetfield, and I believe the bassist's name was Ron McGovney or something like that. He's been sitting with the band, trying new things since they began when they were teenagers. Even Hetfield didn't play guitar with the band at the start. Lars has pioneered the drums featured in metal, from just a high-speed constant beat or quickly played rolls, to something that brings out, even increases the quality of the band's music. To say he blows, I find, is like saying there should be no variety in metal drumwork.

Newstead was a twat eh?
I take it you are not a 'tallica fan then, I think he could play very well actually, I bet he can play about 50 times better than you, he was no cliff burton but he was a **** good bassist.
And what happened to newstead, someone said it was dissapointing the way he was treated. I thought he left because he didn't like the direction the band was taking and he wanted to get started on his side project.

[QUOTE]Now Hetfield has his hair back, his sin of St Anger is redeemed...[/QUOTE]

They're really getting back to their old roots now; they're playing older songs more ( 4 horsemen, Damage inc, Fight fire with fire ), theyre re learning Dyers Eve and they seem to be playing smaller and more frequent gigs if you look at the videos on their site. It's amazing how great it feels to see Metallica back on track again; seeing them again soon :D :thumb:

Secondly, Battle of the Bands is coming up - we want to do 2 Metallica songs; we chose For Whom the Bell Tolls for pure chug and heaviness and Damage Inc for speed; anyone got any suggestions for other songs that may be easier or jsut sound better? Cheers.

^^^If you want one with speed AND heaviness at the same time, try these:

- Fight fire with fire
- Leper messiah (that one isn't as fast, but its **** heavy and the solo is cool...)

Faceless:
Hugh Grant? What are you smoking?

Morning Glory:
I'm no bassist. Newsted was indeed a twat. Even MonkeyMan is cooler than him (Newsted didn't even look comical on stage).

Squirrel:
I know what they're playing nowadays...Lets not forget I was second row on the 20/12. We got an incredible setlist I thought (Go back maybe 30 pages and I did a review of the gig).

[QUOTE]Squirrel:
I know what they're playing nowadays...Lets not forget I was second row on the 20/12. We got an incredible setlist I thought (Go back maybe 30 pages and I did a review of the gig).[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah dude im not saying you know nothing im just backing up your point etc ;), i know it sounded like i was a know all but iwas just saying it for others and elaborating your point. I saw them at Leeds and they were phenomenal; i waited 4 years to see them :)

[QUOTE]- Fight fire with fire
- Leper messiah (that one isn't as fast, but its **** heavy and the solo is cool...)[/QUOTE]

Hmm good ideas but they don't really stand out as crowd pleasers; you've got to like thrash / metallica a lot to like those songs. Theyre not as accessable as, say, One.

So?

Fight Fire With Fire was great live. Battery is cool, just because its an amazing song.

If you've got a commercial sellout audience, try Fuel or Sandman (actually Fuel rocks and is crowd pleasing...)

^ True; we're aiming for crowd pleasing because not everyone that goes is a metahead. I mean we REALLY wanted to do some good heavy songs and stuff; we even busted out loads of 'Bodom but that just wouldnt be good at school ( oh yeah its at school BTW ). So we thats the situation we're in.

[QUOTE=Squirrel_h4x]Hmm good ideas but they don't really stand out as crowd pleasers; you've got to like thrash / metallica a lot to like those songs. Theyre not as accessable as, say, One.[/QUOTE]

I was going to suggest to live is to die but it has almost no vocals. I'm not sure if thats what you guys are looking for. If I were you I would stick to damage inc.( :thumb: ) and if not everyone is a metalhead like you say you might want to try lets say maybe fade to black... I think that one would be good.

Thats true ^ i think we'll stick to Damage Inc and For whom the bll tolls and a couple by other bands; we already know most of those 2 songs anyway.

Hey,Squirrel,play Creeping Death.

And Newstead was a poor bassist.No one can ever be Cliff,but Rob Trujillo is better than Newstead ever was.He left the band because him and James Hetfield didn't get on too good,so he went and joined Vovoid.He said something to the press a while back about re-joining Metallica if James Hetfield asked him to "make his good songs great".When Trujiilo starts to write with the rest of the band then it will help them get broader ideas too.

Newstead was no good. I agree there. That's mainly why the band hazed him for over a year, and Hetfield still continued up to date. None of them got along and Hetfield didn't feel it was worth it for a musician who was less-than-great. Trujillo is better, but they desperately need another Cliff Burton...

Desperately...

Old Metallica - Average
New Metallica - Disgraceful

How about Motorbreath? I love that song, and you don't need tons of distortion for it.

^ Thats a good idea but too late :( / :). We've decided on For Whom the Bell tolls and The Four horsemen ( i dunno why we overlooked it for so long ). BUT we are playing in assembly soon so Motorbreath would be cool :thumb:

What's with all the Metallica hate? It's just weird to hear all these self-proclaimed "hardcore fans" disiing the hell out of Metallica.
Cliff Burton= god-like. We all know that. He was one in a zillion. So I think it's pretty useless to bother comparing Cliff and Jason and Rob. As bassists, they all have their own particular style. (My only regret/wish is that they got another bassist who could sing, cos Kirk can't. :( )
I admit that St. Anger is flawed, the songs are too long yada yada, but it's still pretty **** good, maybe not ground-breaking and world changing like the black album or puppetz, but still pretty solid. I don't consider myself a "hardcore fan," simply cos I don't own all their albums and have really only been an avid fan since last year, but I do believe that every single note that Metallica have played is pure ****in genius. Maybe it's not a good thing to be a "hardcore fan." Cos all hardcore fans seem to ever do is bitch about how much their most favourite band in the world sucks.

P.S; Metallica is not greedy, they still allow the fans to bootleg, they actively encourage trading of live shows (after all, "illegal" tape trading was pretty much how Metallica gained a big reputation in `81 and `82.) What they are, is artists. They objected to in the Napster fiasco is that they did not get the chance to give permission to place their songs up for download. Those songs were put on Napster against their will, and that was what Lars objected to.

Well said that man, though i can see where some of the hate comes from.If you own a copy of Load,then you'll know why.It is an album of ballads from a band who pretty much started thrash.Also look at the image change in the sleeve.They are all tarted up in eyeliner and short hair.Then look on the back of Puppets.Four angry young men stick a finger up at the establishment.They started to become what they had previously stood against.ReLoad was better,though style-wise the same.Fast-forward to 2003.An album of pure carnage,showing a band rediscovering what made them special.But guess what,no solos and bad editing made the 'hardcore' fans jump around screaming "nu-metal".Well f**k 'em,I say.St.Anger is a good album.Bad song editing but good album.However,I don't see 'hardcore' fans slamming ...And Justice for All cos of the mix.

Oh yeah when we do Battle of the Bands i'll see if a can get some recordings of us :thumb:

Cool.And well done on choosing 'The Four Horsemen'.It's a class song.

^ Yeah, i can't believe we looked over it; i bunged in kill em All last night and listened, and the rest is history :)

Kill'Em All is full of good oppurtunities for covers,like Phantom Lord,Motorbreath,Seek and Destroy and Hit the Lights. The only Metallica we do in my band is Enter Sandman and we might do Battery.

Damage inc is 1 hell of an ace song n ilike2playdrums thinx the lightenin solos hard well laddy/or girl? try tht solol i think its summat like 20.8 notes per second in 1 part.