HELL YEAH! even though i havnt seen Tool live before i have seen lot of videos of them playing live and the crowed goes off! also ive been told that they put on a mean show....i cant wait to see them!

[QUOTE=ænima]A Perfect Circle didnt do a cover of Eulogy that Tool i got that too but it isnt APC its just Tool live.[/QUOTE]

Ah ok. Well it still kicks a.ss.

In eulogy i heard Maynard makes that "wah wah" sound, most people think it's a bass wah, it's hard to say, it does sound like it (Maynard), because and theres a soft "bassy" sound but it sounds nothing like the usual tool bass as it's very smooth unlike the clean/distorted sound. Then the guitar comes in just before the sound acually starts. Any queries?

Sorry to break the flow of this thread, but can anyone give me a link to a site that gives the definition of the word Lateralus. I've heard that it means something similar to spiral, but I need a proper definition and google hasn't found anything. It's for an english exam I have tomorrow, I get to write about Tool:thumb:

Tool is getting killed by Iron Maiden in evh_maiden's voting thread. I'm not impressed:upset:

double post

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]Sorry to break the flow of this thread, but can anyone give me a link to a site that gives the definition of the word Lateralus. I've heard that it means something similar to spiral, but I need a proper definition and google hasn't found anything. It's for an english exam I have tomorrow, I get to write about Tool:thumb:[/QUOTE]

got to [url]http://Toolshed.down.net[/url]
then go to the faq and scroll down, should be in there (very useful faq :thumb: ). Man makes me wish i was still in school...

[QUOTE=ThirteenthStep]Hey you know whats cool? 3 of the many movies coming out soon have tool names... theres the most popular "The Grudge", thers another movie, i think its kinda horror-like, called "Undertow", and theres this comedy called "Eulogy".. pretty flippin crazy[/QUOTE]

Yeh man thats some whacked out shi't

Watchin Letterman yesterday and noticed that the CBS orchestra played schism when going out to an ad break, heard the first 2 bars and it spun me out..

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]I was searching A Perfect Circle and I found them playing Eulogy ive, it was labeled: Eulogy by A Perfect Circle (Live Tool Cover). Ill send it to you through gmail. Also I don't think its Tool because it doesnt exactly like Adam's guitar.[/QUOTE]

yeah, its tool, Adam's tone sounds weird at first, but as you listen further you can pick up that weird old Silverburst noise coming through. Plus the first few seconds of that recording you can hear danny style drums finishing, and Josh doesn't have a drum sound like it.

Plus the one guitar, cant see James or Billy sitting out.

But yeah, its still cool to have some live tool. Cheers for sending it

(and I dont use AIM, so no s/n sorry)

[QUOTE=TheMachineRagesOn]Yeh man thats some whacked out shi't

Watchin Letterman yesterday and noticed that the CBS orchestra played schism when going out to an ad break, heard the first 2 bars and it spun me out..[/QUOTE]

Hell yea man. Thats not the first time they've done that. This is the second time I've heard em. One time when they came back from an ad brea, and i was like whoa no way man. It was awesome.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]yeah, its tool, Adam's tone sounds weird at first, but as you listen further you can pick up that weird old Silverburst noise coming through. Plus the first few seconds of that recording you can hear danny style drums finishing, and Josh doesn't have a drum sound like it.

Plus the one guitar, cant see James or Billy sitting out.

But yeah, its still cool to have some live tool. Cheers for sending it

(and I dont use AIM, so no s/n sorry)[/QUOTE]

Ya you are right. Didn't think about that.

[QUOTE=Brogan]In eulogy i heard Maynard makes that "wah wah" sound, most people think it's a bass wah, it's hard to say, it does sound like it (Maynard), because and theres a soft "bassy" sound but it sounds nothing like the usual tool bass as it's very smooth unlike the clean/distorted sound. Then the guitar comes in just before the sound acually starts. Any queries?[/QUOTE]
I thought it was one of Carey's drum samples.

^or it could just be a synth sample

What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?

[QUOTE=Cicatriz-ESP]I know what the song "Stinkfist" is about, its about Anal Fisting -_0[/QUOTE]

cute. I think its a great song, probably my favorite by them. I'm tryin to figure it out but i heard someone say it was about the american media and censorship and I've checked it out and I think it fits.

[QUOTE=Iai][B]Sober, by Tool.[/B]

May I just note before I start that what I present is not the definitive lyric. Maynard oftens changes the words when he sings live, and some parts of the song have two or more possible transcriptions. Here, however, is what I hear and how I interpret it -


[I]There's a shadow just behind me
Shrouding every breath I take
Making every promise empty
Pointing every finger at me
Waiting like a stalking butler
Who upon the finger rests
Murder now the path called "must we"
Just before the sun has come

Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle
Something but the past and done?
Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle
Something but the past and done?

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we drink forever?
I just want to start things over

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
I will find a center in you
I will chew it up and leave
I will work to elevate you
Just enough to bring you down

Mother Mary won't you whisper
Something but what's past and done?
Mother Mary won't you whisper
Something but what's past and done?

Trust me

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we sleep forever?
I just want to start things over

Trust me

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust me
Trust me
Trust me
Trust me

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we sleep forever?
I just want to start things over

I want what I want [/I]

I see this song to be about religious persecution and the differences that can spring up between people when their faiths contradict each other. This is a topic Maynard would revisit later in Schism.

As far as I am aware, both Maynard and Danny Carey (the drummer)are, like myself, Satanists. I think this is a major point to recognize when interpreting the song; the concluding line, "I want what I want", is reflective of many of the core beliefs to Satanism - mainly individualism and the embracing of the traditional Christian sins, which stems from a disbelief in the afterlife. As in "We shall never repent for these sins, therefore we are free to indulge as long as nobody in this life is harmed."

The song begins with some very dark thoughts; these lead me to believe that the song may be referring in some way to the ages where Christianity was the only accepted religion and anyone who held ANY other belief was ridiculed, feared, hanged, et cetera. "There's a shadow just behind me/Shrouding every step I take/Making every promise empty/Pointing every finger at me" would therefore refer to the stigma attached to the subject's individualism. In the witch-burning times, it was common to blame the devil for anything and everything, and anyone who was not a Christian was immediately associated with that. However, I am unclear as to exactly what "Making every promise empty" refers to. Perhaps the man is tempted to betray his beliefs (his promises to himself) to seek acceptance?

"Waiting like a stalking butler" could be a sly dig at organized religion - a butler is a servant. "Who upon the finger rests" is interesting - taken as a statement, it implies an accusation levelled at the religious people; perhaps because they are part of the herd this is some way makes them the evil ones. However, I'm pretty sure it is intended as a question, which throws it out into the open. Just who is in the wrong?

The bridge (the "Jesus/Mary" bit) is bringing the song into the modern age, suggesting that nothing has changed since those times. While Jesus is whistling his merry tune of persecution from ages past, most have moved on and the song is old and no longer relevant to a society that - at least in theory - embraces all peoples.

The chorus at first seems to beg the question 'What are they drinking?', but I think it's much more important to ask why. The subject wants to drink to forget; to forget about the past and bring the religion into the 20th century (the song was released in '92). This is re-enforced when the lyric changed from "drink forever" to "sleep forever"; sleep it off and in the morning you'll remember nothing. Or maybe it means to lay the feelings to sleep forever and never mention them again. Even, if you want to be spectacularly sinister, "sleep forever" could equal "death".

The "I am...." section brings to mind the scenes in A Clockwork Orange where the main character is tied down, has his eyes clamped open, and is forced to watch the abuse he has dished out on others. From becoming a participator to becoming a spectator, the feelings change completely. One of the two parties in the song could therefore have switched sides, so to speak, and has now used the new perspective to see how wrong they were. Of course, it could just be sarcastic; this actually ties in with the lyric better. "I will only complicate you" is a sideswipe at the simplicity most people choose; to just believe what others tellyoudo and turn a blind eye to anything else that may complicate your blind faith. The "center in you", I feel I barely need to mention, is the soul. The last two lines again express a cynicism regarding the afterlife; religion raises people's hopes of going to Heaven/Nirvana/whatever, onlyfor them to be brought down when they discover there is no afterlife, or even brought down to hell when they find out they were born into the wrong religion.

Were it not at that time in the morning when you start reciting South Park jokes, I probably wouldn't have spotted that.

So that just about concludes it. As I said, Tool would re-visit this theme three albums down the line, in Schism. However, there is a very nice theory concerning Lateralus and Kabbalah....but I'll save that for another day.

I fully suggest everybody look for hidden meanings in Maynard's lyrics between the hours of 4 and 6 in the morning. It's a great experience.

*************************************************************

Bear in mind this was written more than a year ago, for my diary. Is that the sort of thing you're after?[/QUOTE]

I think it's about Maynard trying to make tea, hence the "Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle" lyric. But seriously, good work, I'm working on validating my points for "The Patient". Could be a while....

Since when are Tool Satanists?

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?[/QUOTE]

Don't think so.

In the CD booklet part of the Salival box set, it identifies the cities they got the tracks from as Portland, Salt Lake City, San Diego, and Denver. I have 3 (two and a half) copies of those bootlegs, and have concluded that You Lied is from the Portland show, and possibly Pu**** as well, but with a doctored intro speech. Third Eye might be from the San Diego show, too. I'm still short the Denver show, so I might update as I discover these things.

[QUOTE=Kage]Since when are Tool Satanists?[/QUOTE]
Nevermind, it's not what you think.

tool are not satanists.......thats for sure.

Can anybody out there play sober on bass well, its basically all strumming and if anyone in here can play it well and give me a few pointers on how to play it/strumming on bass for that matter, it will be greatly appreciated :thumb:

sorry if this is spam.

Tool are atheists. That interpretation was way out there. Stinkfist is just using Anal Fisting as a metaphor, what I really think it means is the desynthisizeation(sp) of people these days because of the brutal assault on our senses from the media and the like.


[QUOTE]Something kinda sad about
the way that things have come to be.
Desensitized to everything.
What became of subtlety? [/QUOTE]


I've posted my Sober interpretations before...


[QUOTE]Sober is about a man who can't stand life and his addiction to alchohol, the religious references are more of a plea, for instance: "Jesus won't you ****ing whistle" is meaning "Jesus why arn't you answering my prayers".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?[/QUOTE]

no, its not the salival show, but its just as badass
its definately worth checking out. i listen to it quite
frequently

This is the best thread ive ever read. Because of this thread i am now addicted to Tool, as i have many of the same beliefs they do. Which i would have never noticed if it wasnt for this thread, because i never really got into the meaning of there songs & only had 2 Tool songs on my computer (Schism & Sober). I now have all of Tools songs & they are one of my favorite bands thanks to you fruitcakes.

[QUOTE=Otherside]Tool are atheists. That interpretation was way out there. Stinkfist is just using Anal Fisting as a metaphor, what I really think it means is the desynthisizeation(sp) of people these days because of the brutal assault on our senses from the media and the like.





I've posted my Sober interpretations before...[/QUOTE]

They are atheists? I just thought they were against religion. I don't think any of the band memebers have ever come out and said what their beliefs were.

^ Against religion and aetheists...sureley the same thing...

Now what kind person wants to gmail me some live shows and the salival dvd/cd... :) robertchapman88 at gmail.com

[QUOTE=clearvision]^ Against religion and aetheists...sureley the same thing...

Now what kind person wants to gmail me some live shows and the salival dvd/cd... :) robertchapman88 at gmail.com[/QUOTE]

Hmm... I dunno. Can't you be against religion, and still believe in God? Religion and God are 2 separate things. But this is kinda off subject.

i got some live tool videos off of "music television sucks" or something and the quality was like really bad. does anyone know where i can get some good qaulity videos of them live. i got rid of kazaa and all that stuff so i need some kind of website or something. thanks in advance

There are very few close-to-good quality videos as tool ban cameras/recording equipment at their shows, so those that exist are taken by bad little people who broke the rules.

you'll be better with finding APC videos, since they've done TV spots and everything

i dont know if tool is aetheist or agnostic... theyre not totally against religion, they just dont find it necessary or important for themsleves... theyre not really anti-religion and beliefs...i think theyd actually want u to believe in whatever u want, not go along with their beliefs just cause u like them as a band.. thats like controlling you, and in their terms NOT "Thinking for yourself" (if u base a decision like that solely on their music)

Oh, I'm pretty sure they are completely anti-religion, or atleast maynard is. That idea may not be expressed as much in Tool, but APC has several tracks devoted to anti-religion songs. Judith and The Noose, for example.

Although, it could be argued that those are anti-christian songs, and they hardly ever mention other religions.