[QUOTE=BenJammin;18413323]I really dislike covers, largely speaking.[/QUOTE]

Same. We don't play many, and we don't play them often, but sometimes it's fun to play songs you really like by bands you really like. Like that Mclusky song, I've wanted to cover that song probably for about six years, long before I was even in a band.

We only played so many covers in one show because of the venue - someone's living room. At a "real" show at a bar/music venue, the most covers we ever do in a set is two, but generally one or zero.

Well, if you to an originals gig it's usually pretty obvious, there'll be maybe four bands on the bill and no-one really gives a shit what happens, anyone there to watch is there because they want to see music.

If you're doing a function/club/background music gig or whatever you'll be expected to play covers because people want to hear songs they know and you're being paid to give people what they want.

Covers might not always be fun but the trade off is that you'll make real money, and can do it every night in the same town.

[quote=fatbandit;18413452]someone i know told me we needed to play more covers. because watching a band when you don't know their material is boring.

doesn't that only apply to bands with boring material though? or did she just straight up pwn me :/[/quote]

I have a long-standing policy of one cover per hour in an originals band. If you're pretty new to the scene and you have an hour set, a cover will definitely break monotony and keep people interested. We only ever played one cover at maybe 10% of our shows.

[QUOTE=gaslight;18413490]Well, if you to an originals gig it's usually pretty obvious, there'll be maybe four bands on the bill and no-one really gives a shit what happens, anyone there to watch is there because they want to see music.

If you're doing a function/club/background music gig or whatever you'll be expected to play covers because people want to hear songs they know and you're being paid to give people what they want.

Covers might not always be fun but the trade off is that you'll make real money, and can do it every night in the same town.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more, that's why we've chosen the non-cover path by and large. Sure, I have to actually *work* a few days a week to make most of my money, but originals are just so much more fulfilling. Plus, from a monetary POV covers are great but 99% of the time you'll be making the same money for the rest of eternity repeat ad nausium.

At the moment we're pulling half a grand from each of our gigs, which isn't a huge deal considering we play once a month or so, enough to break even. But once you get to the next echelon, it keeps going up. That is to say, when people will want to come and see you, and by people I mean lots of people.

Incidentally we played a gig last Saturday night, nailed it, had the best feedback we've ever had, numbers on the websites went up almost instantly. Good press is good press.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18413614]I have a long-standing policy of one cover per hour in an originals band. If you're pretty new to the scene and you have an hour set, a cover will definitely break monotony and keep people interested. We only ever played one cover at maybe 10% of our shows.[/QUOTE]

We've never played a cover. If we do one or two I want them to be a) not the most popular shit around, but still something people know and love, maybe an old STP song or something, and b) changed a fair amount from their original. Still the same song, but different style, etc.

[quote=funkyhoney;18413733]We've never played a cover. If we do one or two I want them to be a) not the most popular shit around, but still something people know and love, maybe an old STP song or something, and b) changed a fair amount from their original. Still the same song, but different style, etc.[/quote]

We played a Flyleaf cover to fill time and because our lead singer loves to scream. :P

I almost joined an STP cover band once. I f**king love that band. Robert DeLeo is a genius.

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18413452]someone i know told me we needed to play more covers. because watching a band when you don't know their material is boring.

doesn't that only apply to bands with boring material though? or did she just straight up pwn me :/[/QUOTE]

its absolutely true

dont be one of those idiots who thinks their band is the one band that doesnt fit the mold

[I]nobody cares[/I]

original music is completely dead anyways

nobody wants another rock band or another alternative band or another metal band its all been done a million fucking times why would i give a shit about your band when there's 9,000 other bands that do it better that have been around way longer

just play stupid covers youll prolly have more fun anyways and make more money

lol no

[QUOTE=Epidemechanical;18413929]original music is completely dead anyways

nobody wants another rock band or another alternative band or another metal band its all been done a million fucking times why would i give a shit about your band when there's 9,000 other bands that do it better that have been around way longer

just play stupid covers youll prolly have more fun anyways and make more money[/QUOTE]

Thought you liked my band bro, a dagger through my heart.

Saying original music is dead is like saying all movies should only be remakes and all books should just be republished.

Original music is fine but don't expect it to be much more than a hobby with a kickback now and then.

If you want a fun hobby, play originals, if you want a healthy career, play covers. If you want both, do both, there's more than one night in a week.

[quote=funkyhoney;18414143]Saying original music is dead is like saying all movies should only be remakes and all books should just be republished.[/quote]

OMG, since books are being republished and movies are all remakes these days, that means....

:upset:

THIS SUMMER

Shia Lebouf

IS

Freddy vs Jason vs Transformers 15: Indiana Jim Jones & The Merchant Of Venus!

oh really wow how interesting guys in bands who are desperately struggling to "make it" disagree with me

1) music is nothing like film what a shitty argument

2) salvidor dali said that original art was already dead when [I]he[/I] was alive (also said that being an artist automatically means you're a thief of ideas)

3) all movies now are remakes anyways even the original ones like inception that concept has been elaborated many times before

(see: any phillip k dick novel)

the argument that: [U][I]I don't know any bands who share exactly similar characteristics to my band, therefore there are none[/I][/U] is fallacy (argument from ignorance)

also the irony here is that what you consider to even be original is not, it has been done, will be done, and nobody gives a shit

[QUOTE=gaslight;18414189]Original music is fine but don't expect it to be much more than a hobby with a kickback now and then.

If you want a fun hobby, play originals, if you want a healthy career, play covers. If you want both, do both, there's more than one night in a week.[/QUOTE]

^ this.

[QUOTE=funkyhoney;18414142]Thought you liked my band bro, a dagger through my heart.[/QUOTE]

i do i think you guys are just fine my point is macro about about the relevance of original music for profit

i also like fatbandit's band

less for objective reasons more for the fact that i know you guys personally and enjoy seeing what you spend a lot of time working on come to fruition

but the point stands irrespective of these preferences

There are a lot of people who go to originals gigs to see originals bands, and don't like it when they play covers. The biggest bands in the world also don't get there by playing covers. They get there by luck, coincidence, marketing hype and a whole host of other stuff. Being original also isn't the best way to be successful as an originals band anyway.

Also, wondered this for a while dude. Not as a dig or anything, but have you ever been in a band or played a gig? I don't think I've ever seen you mention anything like that ever.

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18414289]There are a lot of people who go to originals gigs to see originals bands, and don't like it when they play covers. The biggest bands in the world also don't get there by playing covers. They get there by luck, coincidence, marketing hype and a whole host of other stuff. Being original also isn't the best way to be successful as an originals band anyway.

Also, wondered this for a while dude. Not as a dig or anything, but have you ever been in a band or played a gig? I don't think I've ever seen you mention anything like that ever.[/QUOTE]

you're getting into the territory of discussing specific examples, a place where my macro, more philosophical argument doesn't really apply

nor do i really care to argue what makes a band successful, what im more interested in is what makes a piece of art [I]original[/I]

and you're not incorrect in your analysis of individual band's success

but things are a lot different now than they were even five years ago

and to answer your question: yes

i can totally imagine you in a punk band when you were 15.

lol no it was a goofy jam band thing hahaha

i was awkward teenager

(nothing has changed)

o rly that's a shame. i was in a punk band when i was 15.

[quote=fatbandit;18414304]i can totally imagine you in a punk band when you were 15.[/quote]

Remember when he was in that weird psychodelic jam band Raayl and he got on stage in a wheel chair?

lmfao

hyperbole and lies

but i did do weird stuff idk

i think fatbandit way better bassist than me though and he has a cooler instrument

actually, i dislike the fact that having watched you play on youtube, you are far far better than me, but you're not doing something in a band. get it sorted!

[url]http://exploremusic.com/indie-track/capital-h-effigy/[/url]

Pretty sweet.

[quote=fatbandit;18414323]actually, i dislike the fact that having watched you play on youtube, you are far far better than me, but you're not doing something in a band. get it sorted![/quote]
try doing a collaboration with him and you'll understand why he's not in a band

not really a dig at raayl or anything, but his way of working doesn't really mesh well with a band mindset

Doing something over the internet with people you don't really know isn't the same as being in a badly lit and cold practice room writing stuff in person with your bros as a collective though. He obviously works well enough with Tactus A to put stuff out with them that they're all happy with, so I wouldn't say it's impossible D:

Saw a license plate today btw that said R44EYL and I did find myself amused by it :/

god damn u.k fests are shit this year

cuz mine and raayl's wheelchaircore band aren't playing any of them.

[quote=fatbandit;18414453]Doing something over the internet with people you don't really know isn't the same as being in a badly lit and cold practice room writing stuff in person with your bros as a collective though. He obviously works well enough with Tactus A to put stuff out with them that they're all happy with, so I wouldn't say it's impossible D:

Saw a license plate today btw that said R44EYL and I did find myself amused by it :/[/quote]
pretty sure tactus a just sends him the instrumentals and he does vox to them