[QUOTE=Demonhunter]I find that Radiohead only fully succeeded on [I]The Bends[/I], but that's just me. They had a few good songs on [I]OK Computer[/I], which some deem as the greatest album of all time, and one or two off of [I]Kid A[/I]. Don't tell me I need the music to grow on me, because I've been letting it for a few years and it still hasn't. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that they deliver as far as mass appeal, but deliver as far as fans enjoy them immensley. You almost never see people running around screaming "UNDERTOW IS A WORK OF GENIOUS!!" or "OPIATE IS PUSHING THE MUSICAL BOUNDRIES", whether fans or not.

[QUOTE=ThePatient]Which one is that? If its the second one its my favorite out of the three. The first one was really good, but the second was flat out great. And I don't like to talk about the third one...[/QUOTE]

what? there even exist a third one?? omfg. [no i talk about the second one]

well, the first one was amazing: brandon lee and the story made this film fantastic.
the second one is good too, but the story is the same... nothing new. :upset: the yellow-screen/filter makes some scenes great but after some time it gets annoying. the movie is still fantastic.... the girl is so beautiful and the camera-work is even better than in the first movie. [oh, i even forgot to mention the S&M scenes :D ]

[URL=http://yoann25.free.fr/crow2pics/coa15.jpg]girl with tatoo[/URL]
[URL=http://www.waynescomics.com/images/Cards/Promos/crow%20city%203of5.jpg]girl [/URL]

Don't even bother seeing the third one, I think its called The Crow:Salvation. Its so cheesey and horrible it even makes the football I'm watching seem less entertaining. Yes, its that bad. It can spread its crappiness to anything, infecting it and bringing it down.

The girl from Spider-Man is in it though, which is kind of nice.

Hahaha.. I remember seeing the third one! Laughed my as[i][b][/i][/b]s off

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

[QUOTE=LP|Stang]i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now[/QUOTE]

Except they're not.

Tool is the very manifestation of the devil in human form!

[QUOTE=LP|Stang]i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now[/QUOTE]

I didn't like you before, I still don't like you now, and I know for sure that I won't like you in the future. BTW, your avatar is really annoying to look it. Atleast, it fits your personality.

[QUOTE=Kage]Tool is the very manifestation of the devil in human form![/QUOTE]

:confused:
explain

[QUOTE=LP|Stang]i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now[/QUOTE]

Is your name Matt Smolko?

[QUOTE=satchforever]I didn't like you before, I still don't like you now, and I know for sure that I won't like you in the future.[/QUOTE]
:lol: That was hilarious.


[QUOTE=repcak]explain[/QUOTE]
/sarcasm

[QUOTE=Kage]/sarcasm[/QUOTE]

oh... i understand :p

i haven't read the first post from this weird guy ...

[QUOTE=LP|Stang]i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now[/QUOTE]

We got a live one.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]We got a live one.[/QUOTE]
I've got the hammer, who has the bag?

.. Why can't you guys just ignore trolls?.. Or atleast not respond seriously to them

[QUOTE=Otherside]I'm not saying that they deliver as far as mass appeal, but deliver as far as fans enjoy them immensley. You almost never see people running around screaming "UNDERTOW IS A WORK OF GENIOUS!!" or "OPIATE IS PUSHING THE MUSICAL BOUNDRIES", whether fans or not.[/QUOTE]

I see what you mean, it's sort of like Opiate is to Pablo Honey as Undertow is to Amnesiac. I would say Lateralus=The Bends and Aenima>OK Computer and Kid A. Still opinions, may I add. I may also add that I've never heard anyone say Pablo Honey is their favorite Radiohead album.

So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

[B]Ticks and Leeches [/B] - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
[B]Schism[/B] - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
[B]The Grudge [/B] - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
[B]Parabol(a)[/B] - Appreciating life for what it is
[B]Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient[/B] - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
[B]Mantra [/B] - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
[B]Lateralus[/B] - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
[B]Disposition/Reflection[/B] - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
[B]Triad [/B] - Searching
[B]Faiip de Oiad [/B] - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.

You're probably right, because I've also never heard anyone refer to Opiate as their favorite. :p

[QUOTE=satchforever]
[B]Disposition/Reflection[/B] - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
[/QUOTE]

Disposition is not necesarrily a depressed state, but more of a state of indifferance. The person is looking back, then compares to the present, and doesn't seem to care anymore. "Watch the weather change" shows that he is no longer interested in anything, just wants to watch life go by.

Edit: I'm an idiot.

[QUOTE=satchforever]So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

[B]Ticks and Leeches [/B] - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
[B]Schism[/B] - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
[B]The Grudge [/B] - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
[B]Parabol(a)[/B] - Appreciating life for what it is
[B]Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient[/B] - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
[B]Mantra [/B] - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
[B]Lateralus[/B] - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
[B]Disposition/Reflection[/B] - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
[B]Triad [/B] - Searching
[B]Faiip de Oiad [/B] - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.[/QUOTE]

That seems to work pretty well. I always thought Lateralus should've been or is an indirect concept album. Everything runs together and the songs give the whole album a story type feel to it. In your way, it goes Anger, Failure, Forgiveness, Appreciation, Hope, Searching, Depression and Hope, More Searching, then finally Finding something he didn't mean to find. It all fits together.

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hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus

Is it in that .dat format?

Um, that's a link to the final round of the modern rock poll. :confused:

I always thought Schism was about corruption in organised religion, actually.

Specifically the Schism, or Great Divide between the protestant and catholic religions. But, as with basically every Tool song, there are levels of decipherable meaning, mainly because of their pretentious overuse of metaphors. :eek:

:p

schism: (skiz´em-)A formal breach of union;Disunion

That's from Adam's myspace. Whether or not that's the intended interpretation, is anyone's guess.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus[/QUOTE]
You might want to check the link.

Thanks though, everyone owes you. But I cannot get over the fact that the guy who taped the show didn't even put the camera on Danny during his Grudge solo. I mean what the hell!!!!1!eleven! Hopefully I'll see him do it if I ever get the chance to see them live.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Specifically the Schism, or Great Divide between the protestant and catholic religions. But, as with basically every Tool song, there are levels of decipherable meaning, mainly because of their pretentious overuse of metaphors. :eek:

:p[/QUOTE]


Haha, I should don my flame-retardant suit and post my review in here. :p

DispoFlectiAd!!

On the Schism thing and I know I have sadi this before but it does remind me off the prodestant and catholic situation in Irelands it is not so much about the religion's anymore but awhile back a catholic primary school (5-12/13) was built on prodestant ground and prodestants use to go out when the parent's were bringing there young girl's to school and pelt them with stones and bottles and everything the army had to come in and a lot of police in case of severe violence like that is beyond beleif to me and I am not trying to put the prodestant's as the bad guys here I would say the cahtolic's would do the same.

On another time Dave mustaine in a drunken fit said give the republic back to the republic and he had to be driven out in a bullet proof bus.

Its really sad and strange how the English still own 6 county's of our country (I am english partially msyelf but still) if you look in any Irish history of any sort you will find either about the Great Famine or the wars that have been raging on for 300+ year's about those 6 counties.

Like only recently like in the past 40 year's down in kerry you were not aloud to say Oliver Cromwell's name without someone spitting and saying the devil.

Useless post kinda hope someone reads it though :/.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]You're probably right, because I've also never heard anyone refer to Opiate as their favorite. :p[/QUOTE]

Opiate, as the album, or the song. Coz that's a kick *** song

As an album. Because it's just middle of the road.

It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.

Hmm.. seems about right. It's also just straight ahead rockin'.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.[/QUOTE]

It's a great album by itself, but when compared to Lateralus, Opiate is just another album.

How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p

Opiate doesn't even come close to the other ones. But I do have a question, anyone know anything about psychology, coz im having a bit of trouble remembering the 5 or so steps to acceptance. You've got grief and then the rest is just lost. Hell, the whole list or whatever is lost

Take it to the pit, buddy.

aka "I don't know"

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p[/QUOTE]
It could be a mix of things. Maybe Adam will bring in a series of riffs, or some variations on one riff, that he has arranged as a song. Or maybe Danny will just start fooling around with a beat and the others will go along, and eventually it solidifies. Who knows.

The most interesting thing you could possibly learn or even witness regarding a band is how they create their songs. One of my favorite aspects about the movie Some Kind of Monster was watching Metallica listen to James (or was it Kirk) play the early form of the Some Kind of Monster riff. Then, they just start playing. I'm not really a fan or the band, or St. Anger at all, but it was fascinating to watch.

Then there are bands like The Mars Volta who have very set processes. For creating the music to Frances The Mute, Omar came up with the majority of the original music/sections and worked with each of the five other members individually. Very tight processes. And THEN they save the spacey jamming for live stuff.

Never mind, I found it. The reason I asked is because the whole Lateralus album to me sounds kind of like those 5 steps of loosing someone or something. You've got denial and isolation, like maybe Schism, feeling alone sort of and not accepting the fact. Then you've got anger, most of the songs, Ticks and Leeches and The Grudge come to mind, for bargaining maybe The Patient, saying they would walk away, and could walk away, much easier, but they're gonna "wait it out" For depression maybe Dispostion/Reflection, mention this to me, and watch the weather change, and just the whole Reflection song, leaving this place that's so blind and critical. Finally acceptance, Faaip De Oiad, finding something that was thought to be left behind forever. I dunno, just what Lateralus reminds me of.