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Illmatic 07-07-2005 05:59 PM

[QUOTE=Pete]Oh, WNBA = lame.[/QUOTE]

Well, duh. That's why I'm glad my girl doesn't look like anyone in it.

[QUOTE=Pete]and... Pepsi = gross. It leaves a nasty film of sugar on your teeth and is too sweet and undercarbonated. [/QUOTE]

Ain't that the truth.

Also, cut down on the double posting.

Also, it's pretty weird...my mom's family was never really receptive towards my dad, but my dad's family is, well, receptive to just about everyone. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, but I feel like saying it.

And why did the postcounts of guys like Ramsey and Non Sequitur go down so much? Did the Guitar Stronghold get deleted or something?

Cain 07-07-2005 06:00 PM

Coke sucks. Pepsi clearly is the winner in every way.

NJMetalMeister 07-07-2005 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]Coke sucks. Pepsi clearly is the winner in every way.[/QUOTE]

only a communist would say that, and you arent a communist are you?

/brushes off some old maccarthyism

Cain 07-07-2005 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Don't bother me now. I'm being a petty otaku. :upset:

EDIT: And while we're reviving the conversation, I never understood the big deal about DD breasts. I actually prefer something in a B or C cup, personally.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's my max tolerance, size-wise. But bigger is generally better, especially if they don't sag, which is their wont if the girl is skinny rather than on the plump side.

I've been attracted to girls because of their boobs since third grade. No joke. They were totally mysterious and I had to figure out what they looked like. And even when I did I couldn't get enough of 'em.

C is generally accepted as the perfect size because of the age factor, but just once I'd like a huge chested girl to play with.

ArcLite 07-07-2005 06:02 PM

Generally speaking, I think a nice hearty set of C's is perfect. Man I love ti[size=2]t[/size]s. When they get into the DD range they aren't nearly as appealing to me.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]Well, that's my max tolerance, size-wise. But bigger is generally better, especially if they don't sag, which is their wont if the girl is skinny rather than on the plump side.

I've been attracted to girls because of their boobs since third grade. No joke. They were totally mysterious and I had to figure out what they looked like. And even when I did I couldn't get enough of 'em.

C is generally accepted as the perfect size because of the age factor, but just once I'd like a huge chested girl to play with.[/QUOTE]

You ever seen a Russ Meyer film?

[QUOTE=cjborton]Generally speaking, I think a nice hearty set of C's is perfect. Man I love ti[size=2]t[/size]s. When they get into the DD range they aren't nearly as appealing to me.[/QUOTE]

When they're as big as my head, that's where I draw the line.

NJMetalMeister 07-07-2005 06:03 PM

My ex had DD sized, they were fun, and that is all i am going to say on that one.

Illmatic 07-07-2005 06:04 PM

I am perfectly happy with my girl's C's. Given her body, D's and anything bigger would just look gross.

EDIT to post below: So I see

Cain 07-07-2005 06:05 PM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]
And why did the postcounts of guys like Ramsey and Non Sequitur go down so much? Did the Guitar Stronghold get deleted or something?[/QUOTE]

Ramsey rather famously requested that his postcount be reset, as a statement about how much he cares about postcount. Non Sequiter, as we know, used to be zerokewl, but I believe his account was somehow deleted and when he was modded he retained the account's joindate but lost all of his previous posts.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]
When they're as big as my head, that's where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, then they're funny. But good for pillows.

It's the implants that suck. Especially if they're big, they make boobs look exactly like soccer balls.

And most people can tell the difference between big fat boobs and good big boobs. I like the latter. God, I just love 'em so much.

You guys need to post faster so I don't double-post so much. :mad:

Steerpike 07-07-2005 06:08 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]Yeah, then they're funny. But good for pillows.

It's the implants that suck. Especially if they're big, they make boobs look exactly like soccer balls.

And most people can tell the difference between big fat boobs and good big boobs. I like the latter. God, I just love 'em so much.[/QUOTE]

Which is why I brought up Russ Meyer.

Cain 07-07-2005 06:11 PM

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Which is why I brought up Russ Meyer.[/QUOTE]

I haven't, actually, but I've heard a great deal about him.

Unfortunately, I'm likely too desensitized to the mere sight of naked women, unless it's someone I know.

Illmatic 07-07-2005 06:12 PM

Hahaha...yeah, seeing a hot chick you know naked is actually hotter than seeing a hot stranger naked.

Or maybe that's just me.

snypa

It's been nice, but I gotta run.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 06:15 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]I haven't, actually, but I've heard a great deal about him.

Unfortunately, I'm likely too desensitized to the mere sight of naked women, unless it's someone I know.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Meyer's movies are mostly entertaining not just because of the nudity, but because of the self-awareness of how trashy they are.

Russ himself admitted that he made crappy movies. But what made the difference was he made no illusions and let the movie be entertaining in its poor taste and campiness. That became an inspiration for John Waters.

Cain 07-07-2005 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Hahaha...yeah, seeing a hot chick you know naked is actually hotter than seeing a hot stranger naked.[/QUOTE]

And hotter than any **** movie.

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 06:21 PM

(In case you missed my first post)

[QUOTE]The other idea is essentially a much more eerie story, in which an American patrol gets lost in the gloomy, terrifyingly eeire Ardennes forest, stumbles across a German encampment and make battle, in which all but one American is killed. That American is wounded and taken prisoner by the only remaining German: a 16-year-old SS conscript that's scared to death of both his side and the Allies, who has nothing but Nazi dogma to rely on, and who doesn't speak a word of English. The story revolves around the time they spend together alone in the cabin, with the less experienced German holding the gun on the American, and how their communication barrier slowly begins to break down and the humanity in the both of them is revealed once again. I plan to have all the German's dialogue in German so it's enigmatic for English readers, just as it is for the main character. I just don't know how to begin and end it, or what they do with one another. :-/ [/QUOTE]



Cain I don't know where this conversation happened but I read this quote and you have a great idea for a movie mate. Good luck with, just don't be tainted with the americanized view of WWII. I have a few ideas through that might work better.

Have the young american soldier keep the wounded GERMAN prisoner hostage. That way the audience who immenditely sees the German as the enemy will see this poor boys life turned to shi t in war. The american holding him hostage will see like I said before because the GERMAN are seen as bad the american will see that he is just like him. Its hard to explain but it would be more meaning full with the German hostage. Think about.

Don't nesscarly do the Ardeden forest. Be more creative think of a different instead of the old Band of Brother/Saving private ryan spots and a different world war II spot.

I just realise something cool, I know your american and all but the best would be a russian in Stalingrad. In an abadoned area of the city in winter. Even scarier. The reason I think of a russian is because the Russians had so much hate for the Germans and vice versa that way the chacters and their relations would be even deeper when they see past their countries propganda and romours etc.

Possible ending: Something happens and a abttle ensures the person who is keeping the hostage side wins and in the confusion he kills his hostage. But it haunts and Scars him for his entrie life. Eg BAttle happen in confusion Russian kills his German hostage but Compeletly shatters him and he can never forget.

BUT HEY ITS YOUR MOVIE just my two cents.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 06:39 PM

It's weird. I look at all the ideas you guys want to write about for books and movies, then look at mine, and I suddenly feel like I just walked into a beatnik poetry slam wearing khakis and a white Spongebob T-shirt.

Of course, it doesn't help that my relatives are kind of snobbish. You should have heard the conversation I had with my grandfather trying to convince him that Stare Into the Abyss was not going to be a trashy slasher flick.

Riva 07-07-2005 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Hahaha...yeah, seeing a hot chick you know naked is actually hotter than seeing a hot stranger naked.[/QUOTE]

It is, but I still feel incredibly embarrassed if I ever catch someone like that...

In other news: Read my [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8575704&postcount=19847]story[/url]

Cain 07-07-2005 07:18 PM

I'd do Russian, except they were rabid in their hatred for the Germans. No Russian soldier fighting in Stalingrad would a.) be alone long enough to get to know a prisoner, b.) Be convinced of an SS soldier's humanity after a talk. The atrocity level on the Eastern Front was tremendous, and the Russians responded in kind and indiscriminately as punishment. There were decent Germans, but the Russians were so outraged at the conduct of the Einsatzgruppen that they weren't inclined to treat any prisoner with respect. In fact, they would have shot them when they surrendered, most likely.

The Ardennes Forest could be slightly cliche (it was the site for another eerie WWII tale, called "A Midnight Clear" the most depressing Christmas movie ever made), but I picked it because it was a "halfway house" for both Americans and Germans before the Germans invaded through there in Dec '44. They tended to leave each other alone. The setting is thus calm, but a suspenseful calm, perfect for the foreboding, wintery mood of my story.

In addition, I think the dynamic of a scared German holding the gun on a seasoned but wounded American has more dramatic potential, especially with the German ordering the American around and then the American doesn't know what he's saying, and has to infer both purpose and cause for his captor's behavior from body language and tone of voice, making an already tense situation that much more tense.

The key would be to not be heavy-handed with any portion of it. I have a tendency to have really obvious symbolism and canned "dramatic" occurences that are really cliché, so the story would be difficult to write.

EDIT: Don't sweat it, Steerpike.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 07:27 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]EDIT: Don't sweat it, Steerpike.[/QUOTE]

Still, I'm half-expecting someone to ask me why I want to write garbage instead of something artistic.

I never liked writing mind-bending drama. I always wanted to do something more along the lines of dark fantasy. For some reason, that seems almost heretical among the diehard academics and artistes.

Cain 07-07-2005 07:31 PM

Too bad Ray is gone. He has the perfect opportunity to **** ALL over zerokewl/Trilemma/Non Sequitur with this perfect moron of a thread.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361924[/url]

:rolleyes: and a half.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Still, I'm half-expecting someone to ask me why I want to write garbage instead of something artistic.

I never liked writing mind-bending drama. I always wanted to do something more along the lines of dark fantasy. For some reason, that seems almost heretical among the diehard academics and artistes.[/QUOTE]

They're just not on your wavelength. I suffer from a tendency in my teachers to reject historical fiction because drama gets stuffed up with too much history, so I'm not getting any help. You need to find someone that IS on your wavelength. Only then will you learn if you have the skill that it takes to make it in your field.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]Too bad Ray is gone. He has the perfect opportunity to **** ALL over zerokewl/Trilemma/Non Sequitur with this perfect moron of a thread.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361924[/url]

:rolleyes: and a half.[/quote]

So basically, he's out to prove that mainstream music is corporate-packaged garbage meant to appeal to youths who think they're being rebellious?

Why does he think we needed a study to know that mainstream music is crap? All he's doing is creating a flame-fest against rap/hip-hop.

[quote]They're just not on your wavelength. I suffer from a tendency in my teachers to reject historical fiction because drama gets stuffed up with too much history, so I'm not getting any help. You need to find someone that IS on your wavelength. Only then will you learn if you have the skill that it takes to make it in your field.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that I can't find many people to take me seriously. D&D and Star Trek have been so extensively parodied and cliched that it's getting harder and harder to find someone who appreciates Robert Jordan or Orson Scott Card.

Again, I write things with a dark fantasy, but almost everyone I talk to keeps saying "That's not my thing." I feel like I was born several decades, or even several centuries too late. All anyone I ever turn to for criticism anymore wants to hear is pretentious, artistic drama that (if you cna understand it) emotionally rapes you.

Riva 07-07-2005 07:42 PM

You know your story sucks when the two main writers of the thread don't even care to acknowledge it. :(

[QUOTE=Steerpike]
The problem is that I can't find many people to take me seriously. D&D and Star Trek have been so extensively parodied and cliched that it's getting harder and harder to find someone who appreciates Robert Jordan or Orson Scott Card.

Again, I write things with a dark fantasy, but almost everyone I talk to keeps saying "That's not my thing." I feel like I was born several decades, or even several centuries too late. All anyone I ever turn to for criticism anymore wants to hear is pretentious, artistic drama that (if you cna understand it) emotionally rapes you.[/QUOTE]

I liked all your ideas a lot. 50% of my book collection is fantasy novels. Eddings, Fiest, Tolkien, Jordan, McCaffrey, Keaneally, Salvatore, James, etc.

Cain 07-07-2005 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]You know your story sucks when the two main writers of the thread don't even care to acknowledge it. :([/QUOTE]

I love you, but I actually haven't read it. Something about driving?

:( :( :( I'm sorry.

Steerpike: In that case, it would be best to attempt to combine the two. Paying homage to the masters of the genre is great, and wanting to write like them is natural, but in order for something to "become" people's thing is that you have to make appropriate concessions so that a majority fanbase will find familiarity along with the new. It's fickle and many people go too overboard in the name of sales, so this water needs to be treaded lightly, sure enough. But one of the primary criticisms I'm getting is that my love for historical conflict gets in the way of the basics of character development. I don't see how it could be relevent to know what my war-torn soldier's parents' names are, because my sweet tooth for historical accuracy and meticulously historical detail is overshadowing the human component of my story. Rather than thinking you were born too late, it's probably better to understand what is inaccessible about your work to the majority of people and work to combine the two to stay true to both your artistic motivation and the reader's expectation. It's finnicky and if rock n' roll teaches us anything, it's very difficult to not err too far on the side of accessibility. But it's something the stubborn artist needs to learn how to do if he/she doesn't want to starve.

jpj 07-07-2005 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]You know your story sucks when the two main writers of the thread don't even care to acknowledge it. :([/QUOTE]
I read your story when you first posted it, and quite enjoyed it. I didn't respond because I didn't have anything witty enough or worthy in response to it.

Steerpike 07-07-2005 07:46 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]You know your story sucks when the two main writers of the thread don't even care to acknowledge it. :([/QUOTE]

Sorry, I'm just really having a rough night. I'll read it when I get back from work.

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 08:01 PM

Your story rocked Riva I said that before I couldn't stop laughing honestly.

Cain: what you said about the Russian is mabye there is a reason for that he has to keep him alive.

But I still think the German as hostage would work better. What did you think of the possible ending?

I had an idea for a novel once but I'm wondering if I should post it.

Riva 07-07-2005 08:03 PM

Thanks for the applause, everyone. Steerpike, you need to lighten up about your grim gothic novels. :)

Cain 07-07-2005 08:05 PM

Just read your story Jason. It was quite hysterical. :lol:

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 08:06 PM

Now RIVA you asked about your story I will ask about my Avatar. Who likes it. Where abouts in Adelaide do you live mate. My parents use to live there.

Riva 07-07-2005 08:12 PM

Avatar's great, SP. Quite good work. I live in Cairns, but my mother is from Adelaide, which is why I support the Crows. :)

Thor 07-07-2005 08:16 PM

Cain, can you explain to me what your avatar means?

BoboTheRagingHobo 07-07-2005 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=Slapping Penguin]Now RIVA you asked about your story I will ask about my Avatar. Who likes it.[/QUOTE]

Opeth = nap time

Penguins = cool

So I am stuck at half and half, so meh.

NP - Black Mages - Force Your Way

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 08:17 PM

Cool I went to Cairns as a kid when I was about 8. It was good fun its pretty nice there.

[QUOTE]Opeth = nap time

Penguins = cool[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 08:18 PM

Whos the excuse to.

Cain 07-07-2005 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=Slapping Penguin]Whos the excuse to.[/QUOTE]

Parents.

Say you're going to a theme park.

jpj 07-07-2005 08:22 PM

[QUOTE=madeyadams]They know I don't like theme parks. Plus, theres none around here.

I'll make it clearer: They know I'm going to be with my boyfriend, they just don't want me going to his house.. which I will be doing tomorrow. :naughty:[/QUOTE]
You're going to volunteer at a hospital/old person's home.

MBS 07-07-2005 08:24 PM

[QUOTE=madeyadams]They know I don't like theme parks. Plus, theres none around here.

I'll make it clearer: They know I'm going to be with my boyfriend, they just don't want me going to his house.. which I will be doing tomorrow. :naughty:[/QUOTE]

Say you're going to perform oral sex on him. :naughty:

Or you can say that you're just gonna go around town, maybe to the movies, whatever you feel like doing.

Riva 07-07-2005 08:25 PM

Go for a hiking/picnic. That gets you all day, explains why you are both sweaty, etc, etc

Slapping Penguin 07-07-2005 08:27 PM

Hire a hotel room or just F uck in the KFC bogs. :naughty:

That way you can go to the shops.

Cain 07-07-2005 08:28 PM

MetalHead: I have acquired a fondness for the appearence of Angelic and Demonic sigils since doing a project on Dante's Inferno for a college course. I like the orderly way they look and I find the mythology surrounding them fascinating, especially with regard to demons. My avatar is the sigil of the demon Astaroth, one of the top Generals of Lucifer's legions of souls. He is a demon who believes he was relegated by God to his position in Hell unfairly, and he is in command and knowledge of all things to do with the liberal arts, which in my case is rather fitting. :) Sigils are originally emblems of rank within heaven, and they serve the same purpose in Hell, where the demons retained their sigils from the days when they were once angels. I speculate that it is an ever-present reminder of when the demons tasted perfection as angels and it causes them pain to look at and burns their skin like a brand. In magikal and Satanic rituals, the sigil is used to conjure the demon in order to fulfill a certain task for the person doing the conjuring: since demons supposedly retain knowledge of all the creative things they were endowed with as angels, it is in this way that they can be useful to people seeking their aid.

The coolest thing about demons is that nearly all come from other mythologies of deities, and were relegated to Hell as a way for the church to explain the presence of pagan religions in historical societies like Greece and Rome. All of Egypt's gods (Horus, Ra), Greece's Gods (Aphrodite, who I suspect became Lilith although I'm not sure, and others) Norse Gods and Demons (the Giants) and especially Sumerian and Ammonite (pre-Judaism Semetic Gods) gods are all now demons in Hell, described as "fallen angels" who sided with Lucifer in the war in Heaven.

EDIT: Astoroth's sigil is one of the few I've seen that actually look like the Sigil of Baphomet, Bartender's avatar. The Baphomet is not Lucifer's actual sigil but for some reason it is most commonly associated with alternative magic and Satanism in much the same way the six-pointed Star of David is also associated with Solomon.


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