[QUOTE=Carrionshine]If guitar riffing is your main arguement, Opeth are hasbeens that lost it after the Orchid and Morningrise eras.The guitar work on both of those blows everything else out of the water.But of coarse, Opeth have since vastly improved on many other things.Whatever.Every cd of theirs does something better than all the others, and GR is no exception.Opeth are probably one of the best examples of a band that has a fanbase that cant agree on their best album.You have the BWP crowd, the Orchid, Morningrise crowd, and the good ol' Still Life crowd.I'm sure there will be a GR crowd in time.It's all a matter of tastes.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break, man. The guitar riffs on Orchid and Morningrise are basically random guitar harmonies. The two-guitar work on Still Life and Blackwater Park is mind-blowingly good.

GR is great; I'll agree, the guitar riffs are slightly less interesting sometimes, but it's still a great album. It just strives for something different, which is good. Besides, the lead work is incredible, and the keyboards add a great, if unfamiliar, element.

[QUOTE=Jude]YES. There are almost no memorable riffs on the album, electric or acoustic.

Agreed. The heavy guitar playing is just kind of getting the job done, and the fantastic acoustic playing of the past is overtaken by keyboards.[/QUOTE]

It's not Opeth's fault you guys have poor musical memory, I guess.

(:<

And what's wrong with the keyboards?

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Really though guys, come on. Play GoP, then play Blackwater Park. There's almost no compariason. But I guess this all goes down to opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, GoP is a fantastic song, while BP is a collection of evil riffs. no contest.

[QUOTE=Carrionshine]If guitar riffing is your main arguement, Opeth are hasbeens that lost it after the Orchid and Morningrise eras.The guitar work on both of those blows everything else out of the water.
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WHAT?!! MR and Orchid have some cool riffs, but come ON. There are way more memorable riffs on the later albums than on those two.

[quote]
But of coarse, Opeth have since vastly improved on many other things.Whatever.Every cd of theirs does something better than all the others, and GR is no exception.Opeth are probably one of the best examples of a band that has a fanbase that cant agree on their best album.You have the BWP crowd, the Orchid, Morningrise crowd, and the good ol' Still Life crowd.I'm sure there will be a GR crowd in time.It's all a matter of tastes.[/QUOTE]
Still Life Crowd Represent \m/

Shadius: Nothing inherently wrong with keyboards. In fact I really like the way they were integrated into the heavy (and some soft) parts of the songs. But I don't like how they very sophisticated acoustic guitar playing Opeth used to always have has sort of taken a back seat to keyboard-laden soft sections.

I know what you mean, but like I say I don't mind it.

There's still so many melodies on the album it's easily comparable to their earlier releases. Just because the melodies and leads come more in the form of keyboards and vocals and less so in guitars than on other releases is only subjectively a bad thing.

I agree that in a rating for Opeth's best riffs GR would come somewhere mid ranged or near the bottom in general, but as for songwriting complexity and such it comes pretty damn close to the top for me.

Personally, I think SL and BP have Opeth's best riffs on them, closely followed by... well, everything else.

Maybe Mikaels finally realising what a great vocalist he is, and since we already recognized him as a great guitar player, he wanted us to see his full talent at vocals...


Well, probably not.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Maybe Mikaels finally realising what a great vocalist he is, and since we already recognized him as a great guitar player, he wanted us to see his full talent at vocals...


Well, probably not.[/QUOTE]
Bleh, he's always been good on vocals but never neglected guitar.

Untill now...


/evil laugh

He is vocally at his best on GR though. You can just tell how much stronger and more confident he is.

Beneath the Mire is EASILY the best track on GR , the solo is just so incredible.
For Still life .. i have to go with White Cluster

BWP is the worst album in my opinion :(

[QUOTE=Thresher]BWP is the worst album in my opinion :([/QUOTE]

You are the first Opethian I've ever heard say that... wow.

[QUOTE=Thresher]Beneath the Mire is EASILY the best track on GR , the solo is just so incredible.
For Still life .. i have to go with White Cluster

BWP is the worst album in my opinion :([/QUOTE]

What the...

You have/have heard all their albums and think it's their worst? That's so weird. lol

Seriously, Deliverance is better? Orchid is better? MAYH is better? Usually someone would find one of those albums worse for whatever reason.

lol MAYH is like .. probably the best album with Still life. BWP just seems to be missing something ... you Get more out of the other albums, i think. Bwp is probably the Most "pop" album .. but MAYH is definately the Most disharmonic Stuff they did , just love it so much . April Ethereral = Rape

**edit** : i own all they're albums

I agree that SL and MAYH are the best, but BWP closely follows behind. The main problem with the album IMO is The Funeral Portrait. That is my least favourite Opeth song along with Wreath, it really disrupts the album for me.

BWP is a powerful album nonetheless .. tracks like : the leper affinity and the drapery fall will like .. murder you in the night . but Still , SOMETHING is missing

I can't believe you like Deliverance more, you weirdo. There's clearly more than just something missing from that album.

Anyway, Damnation is clearly their "pop" album.

:p

BWP has "pop" guitar riffs. I think that's the main problem ..
They tried to go a lil more "basic" with the BWP album..
Basic is not opeth :P

lol then damnation is probably the Most Evil POP there is , ahaha
In my time of need and Death Whispers a lullaby are like .. evil sex.

Btw how can you have green day in your list of favourite bands :(

I used to love Green Day when I was a kid, and my girlfriend makes me listen to them still. (:

I went to go see them last year, they put on a good show. Fun poppy music.

Anyway, back to the point! There's no pop riffs on BP! But I can see what you mean by some riffs being more basic than on previous releases, having said that, I'd say Deliverance and Ghost Reveries have even more basic riffs.

:(!

[QUOTE=Thresher]BWP has "pop" guitar riffs. I think that's the main problem ..
They tried to go a lil more "basic" with the BWP album..
Basic is not opeth :P[/QUOTE]

The Leper Affinity=basic:confused: :confused: :confused:

i don't mean all the tracks .. but in whole the album is based on a more steady kinda rythm. Leave TLA out if this .. a kickass track :D

Uh, what the hell are you talkin about? Pop.

[QUOTE=Thresher]i don't mean all the tracks .. but in whole the album is based on a more steady kinda rythm. Leave TLA out if this .. a kickass track :D[/QUOTE]
I really question how much you know about theory.

Yea...dude, with all due respect, the tracks are anything but basic. Granted, they DO tend to follow the same tempo/time signature or whatever, but the riffing patterns change so much it's hard to call this album basic.

Oh, and BWP is my favorite album. So go die. :mad:

:p

As for vocals...I still think Mikael was at his peak on BWP. Now, that's not the fanboy talking, it's based on the progression of his voice. Maybe it was the production, or age, or whatever, but he sounds ungodly evil on it.

Me to... theres more "pop" on GR. :confused:

Now, to be fair, nothing Opeth has put out could be considered "pop"...

Simpler, maybe, is a better word.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Yea...dude, with all due respect, the tracks are anything but basic. Granted, they DO tend to follow the same tempo/time signature or whatever, but the riffing patterns change so much it's hard to call this album basic.

Oh, and BWP is my favorite album. So go die. :mad:

:p

As for vocals...I still think Mikael was at his peak on BWP. Now, that's not the fanboy talking, it's based on the progression of his voice. Maybe it was the production, or age, or whatever, but he sounds ungodly evil on it.[/QUOTE]
I think his best growl are on Deliverance. Clean vocals I lean a little bit toward Damnation.

I really dislike his growls on Deliverance...they're still good, but they sound...hollow, almost.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I really dislike his growls on Deliverance...they're still good, but they sound...hollow, almost.[/QUOTE]
I like them because of how evil they are. I may be the only one who thinks his growls are really evil on Deliverance.