[QUOTE=MetalNightBodomNight]wheather you no it or not legions you confirmed Children of Bodom to be melodic death when you called Kalmah and Norther melodic death. I guess you've settle that debate.[/QUOTE]

They're power metal. The vocals are black/death growls, but intrumentally, they are power metal.

[QUOTE=tapdancingmonkey]nice list. Never knew what the difference between Black and Death Metal was. Thanks for clearing that up[/QUOTE]
yeh me either, which is why i read this, thanks for that, it was realy informative! :thumb:

although i dont favor growling lyrics opeth is an awesome band

great list dude!

Another improtant Death Metal band is death, they are probably the most important death metal band.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]They're power metal. The vocals are black/death growls, but intrumentally, they are power metal.[/QUOTE]

I normally agree with you, but they are definately melodeath, the vocal style is a very major factor in a genre.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]I normally agree with you, but they are definately melodeath, the vocal style is a very major factor in a genre.[/QUOTE]

Other than the vocals, I don't see much resemblance between Children of Bodom and bands like In Flames or Opeth. CoB lacks the same sense aggression, borderlining brutality, that melodeath bands have. Vocals are important, but not more than the instrumentation.

[QUOTE=Scuba Taco]I wouldnt put Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Nu-Metal catagory. Even tho they are newer bands, they both have Talent, unlike System of a Down, Linkin Park and P.O.D. I like to think of them as different, not crap.[/QUOTE]

That is the most retarded post ever, Slipknot and Mudvayne do have talent, as well as most other nu-metal bands, just because someone chooses to play something simple doesn't mean they aren't a good instrumentalist (arguments in Linkin Park's Broken Glass, and Korn's James Brown).

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Other than the vocals, I don't see much resemblance between Children of Bodom and bands like In Flames or Opeth. CoB lacks the same sense aggression, borderlining brutality, that melodeath bands have. Vocals are important, but not more than the instrumentation.[/QUOTE]

yeah, CoB isn't melodeath but Norther and Kalmah are, I know that Dargon and FF are gonna be on my as[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR] for this, but I don't care

[QUOTE=Silent Ryan]Another improtant Death Metal band is death, they are probably the most important death metal band.[/QUOTE]

That would be because they are commonly credited with inventing the genre (hence the name [B]Death[/B] Metal).

"Even tho they are newer bands, they both [B]have Talent[/B]"

Try looking a little harder next time.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]yeah, CoB isn't melodeath but Norther and Kalmah are, I know that Dargon and FF are gonna be on my as[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR] for this, but I don't care[/QUOTE]

Oh, well I was just referring to Children of Bodom. I don't listen to Norther or Kalmah.

Opeth is progressive death metal.

Children of Bodom is power metal with Harsh vocals.

[QUOTE]Emperor production is great imo, having the vocals in the backround and making them blend in like another instrument. Do Darkthrone even have bass and if so does Nocturno Culto play it?[/QUOTE]

Zephyrous used to play bass for them, not anymore though.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]That would be because they are commonly credited with inventing the genre (hence the name [B]Death[/B] Metal).[/QUOTE]
Eleventeen, just shut up. You don't know anything. The term "Death Metal" was in use before Death even released anything.

Seriously, that's the most retarded thing ever.

I'd like to add that all of these genres can have progressive slapped on the front. Progressive alone has a tendency to mean muiscal wankery and amazing musicians everywhere but the real definition is a band that is pushing the limits of songwriting making some "Progressive" bands not.

Examples -

Dillinger Escape Plan - Progressive Grindcore
Opeth - Progressive Melodic Death Metal
Meshuggah - Progressive Industrial Metal
Arcturus - Progressive Black Metal (Arguable with Avant Garde)

There are others but these seem to be the most well known without me having to label Tool.

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]WHOA! Mustard Plug! God it's been forever since I saw anything about them! Can't say I'm a huge fan, but they're from around here. Not Kalamazoo, but I think they're from Grand Rapids or Ann Arbor which are only an hour or so away.[/QUOTE]

mustard plug...fun band to listen to.

and your explaination of different generas was very good. should clear up the air a bit around here.

[QUOTE=LordDargon]Eleventeen, just shut up. You don't know anything. The term "Death Metal" was in use before Death even released anything.[/QUOTE]


Oooh internet tuffguy!

anyway, I'm just saying what I've read from other people on these forums thank you.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Oh, well I was just referring to Children of Bodom. I don't listen to Norther or Kalmah.[/QUOTE]

They both kinda remind me of In Flames and Opeth mixed, they're really good, you should check them out, and Kalmah's vocalist has the widest range in screaming I've heard, he does the really low kind to the ridiculously high scream.

Well how about you do some research so you don't sound stupid anymore. And ask questions instead of making statements. And then.... learn from the answers.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]They both kinda remind me of In Flames and Opeth mixed, they're really good, you should check them out, and Kalmah's vocalist has the widest range in screaming I've heard, he does the really low kind to the ridiculously high scream.[/QUOTE]

No. They are definitely more like CoB than In Flames or Opeth. Power Metal.

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]Dillinger Escape Plan - Progressive Grindcore
Opeth - Progressive Melodic Death Metal
Meshuggah - Progressive Industrial Metal
Arcturus - Progressive Black Metal (Arguable with Avant Garde)[/QUOTE]

I would think that the Dillinger Escape Plan would be more progressive hardcore, than grindcore.
On Arcturus, they were only progressive black metal on their first album, Aspera Heims Symfonia. They since moved on to post-black/Avant Garde music.

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]No. They are definitely more like CoB than In Flames or Opeth. Power Metal.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=7]OPINION[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]I would think that the Dillinger Escape Plan would be more progressive hardcore, than grindcore.
On Arcturus, they were only progressive black metal on their first album, Aspera Heims Symfonia. They since moved on to post-black/Avant Garde music.[/QUOTE]


DEPs seem to sway. The hard part about them is that they have to super technical fast heavy stuff that is traditional to grindcore but longer songs and more melody. I can see both easily though.

Thank you for clearing up Arcturus.

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]DEPs seem to sway. The hard part about them is that they have to super technical fast heavy stuff that is traditional to grindcore but longer songs and more melody. I can see both easily though.

Thank you for clearing up Arcturus.[/QUOTE]

You probably know more about DEP, than I do. I've only heard a few songs (which I didn't really like) but from what I've heard it seemed like hardcore, with just a few small technical interludes thrown in there.

Children of Bodom is not at all like In Flames. If In Flames is melodeath, CoB is not. I really think our problem is saying that things like vocals or what not are a big difference in the genre. You can't just put everything into specific categories because most bands succeed by synthesizing previous ideas. You cant call CoB death/black or powermetal, instead just go 2 seconds out of your way and say powermetal with harsh vocals. And also theres no exact definition of a genre because every band is different, so just because CoB doesn't have traditional power metal drumming, there still power metal. I've heard enough about this arguing.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Children of Bodom is not at all like In Flames. If In Flames is melodeath, CoB is not. I really think our problem is saying that things like vocals or what not are a big difference in the genre. You can't just put everything into specific categories because most bands succeed by synthesizing previous ideas. You cant call CoB death/black or powermetal, instead just go 2 seconds out of your way and say powermetal with harsh vocals. And also theres no exact definition of a genre because every band is different, so just because CoB doesn't have traditional power metal drumming, there still power metal. I've heard enough about this arguing.[/QUOTE]

I was saying Kalmah and Norther sound like In Flames, and in my opinion they do.

What do you think about this?

[B][u]A Detailed Thrash Metal Defination[/u][/B]

[COLOR=Red]Mostly my personal opinion, mixed with some research. You MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH THIS, feel free to make any corrections.[/COLOR]

Country Of Origin : America
Pioneer bands : Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Kreator, Anthrax
Year it developed : 1980
Influenced by : Heavy Metal
Influencial Bands : Judas Priest, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Venom*
Branched out from (if applicable) : New Wave Of British Heavy Metal
Type : Extreme Metal

*Venom existed before the big four of thrash, but i would not consider
them as pioneers of thrash, but black metal

[b][u]Music[/u][/b]

Thrash metal is defined by its aggressiveness, speed and mostly palm
muted guitars' bass strings. The infamous palmuting of the "E" bass
string on the guitar, used by almost all thrash metal bands, has
become thrash metal's signature sound. Melody and symphony are almost
non-existant here, except in a few experimental bands.

[b]VOCALS[/b]
Its vocals are neither screamed nor sung, but they're "vocalized" in a
special way, probrably a mix of a very mellow scream, non-melodic
singing, and aggressive talking.
Good example of thrash metal vocal is Slayer's Tom Araya in Hell awaits
era.
Also see James Hetfield's vocals on Kill Em All and Ride the Lightning

[b]GUITARS[/b]
The guitars are normally not downtuned, and standard tuning is used.
Thrash rythmn guitars are normally very fast, with power chords and
the palm muting of bass strings, and occasional dissodant scaling
giving a thrashy feel to it, as if the song was not composed and
arranged properly, and it was only thrashed out with extreme speed and
agressiveness.

Thrash leads are also very fast, with crazy solos. They can sound
quite chaotic, but still retaining the hard rock/heavy metal feel of
bends and pinch harmonics.
Good examples of thrash metal rythmn guitar are probrably Slayer's
"Angel Of Death", Metallica's "Master Of Puppets", "Motorbreath".
Good examples of thrash metal leads are also Slayer's "Angel Of Death"
and Metallica's "Seek And Destroy".

[b]Bass[/b]
Thrash metal bass normally follows the rythmn guitar, playing the root
notes when the guitars play the power chords, and scaling along with
the rythmn guitar in the case of dissodant riffs. ALso, the basses
continually attacks the root notes they play, giving build to the
intensity of the song, especially during song buildups. Occasionally,
the bass might have its seperate riff from the guitar, but in most
cases, it follows closely with the rythmn guitar.

[b]DRUM[/b]
Thrash drumming is normally in the same style as thrash rythmn guitars.
Normally concentrated on the hihats, snares and bass drums, with
different patterns, occasional tom rolls, and on the the ride. The
crashes often are harmonized with the rythmn guitar's single power
chords.
Good example of thrash drumming can be found also in Slayer's
"Angel Of deatH" and "Raining blood"

[b]Recommended Thrash Metal Bands[/b] : Slayer, Kreator, early Metallica
early Anthrax, Overkill, Sodom, Megadeth, Testament, Pantera

[b]Recommended Albums[/b] :
Metallica - Kill Em' All
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
Slayer - Reign In Blood

[b]Recommended Songs[/b] :
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Megadeth - Hangar 18
Slayer - Angel Of Death (Highly recommended)

[b]Sub Genres Of Thrash Metal[/b]
There are no known sub genres so far.

[b][u]Known Prefixes[/u][/b]
[b]Symphonic Thrash[/b]
-Thrash metal, with symphony at the back, although this takes out
alot of the aggression in thrash, it might still be worth a listen.
Therion might be an example of a symphonic thrash band.

[b]Melodic Thrash[/b]
-Thrash metal, less aggressive, more melodic. Another so called
"oxymoron", but its still thrash.
Tourniquet is an example of melodic thrash.

[b]Progressive Thrash[/b]
-Thrash metal that is progressive. Which means varying in time
signature and thrash riffs. An example of this is Meshuggah

[b][u]Common Mixtures[/u][/b]
[b]Thrash And Death[/b]
-Also known as the transition period between thrash and death metal, or
the roots of death metal. This is where thrash metal is pushed to its
limits, and where death metal is born. This is a extremely, super
aggresive thrash metal, with the aggression limits over pushed, but not
very death metal yet.
Bands : Death*, Darkane, Carnal Forge, Lamb Of God, Living Sacrifice
*They are the pioneers of death metal, but you can still hear much
thrash in their music.

[b]Thrash And Black[/b]
-Also known as the transition period between thrash and black meta, or
the roots of black metal. This is where thrash metal is pushed to its
limit, similar to death metal, to create black metal. Although death
and black metal have gone different paths now, their early roots are
definately traced back to thrash metal, in which in their births, they
sound similar.
Bands : Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory.

Not too bad althogh Exodus should definitely be in your list of pioneer bands as they were around before Metallica etc. Oh and Venom were definitely a thrash band. Don't argue.

Thrash branched out from NWOBHM and punk so you want to have Discharge in your influential bands.

But all in all, a good job

Can I say... Prozak ??
 

Umm..I'm sure that you must have confused me with your inbred brother. But if you insist, how about I'll just grow some hair around my a$$hole then trim it and give you to smoke it all. You can use your old crack pipe with no problem..plus, this will give you something else to do besides posting these IDIOTIC replies and jacking off in the back of your grandma's trailer

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I suggest ritalin.

Come back when you grow some pubes or can come up with a decent, witty retort. You know, whichever occurs first.[/QUOTE]