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AA-12 06-03-2006 09:58 AM

If they sound accurate, that's all that really matters.

TEST 06-03-2006 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=The Unholy]If they sound accurate, that's all that really matters.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I'll go on the Nile forum where Karl posts and see if there are tabs for teh songz.

Example- The way I play Sixpounder is a tad different than Alexi. Most part it's "right". It sounds good though and if you played it for someone and compared the actual song with it. You'd find a match.

MRDuCran 06-03-2006 11:20 AM

Well most of you should know I'm an accuracy whore in all meanings. I love having the exact notes, exact fingerings, exact timings, correct tuning, pickstrokes etc everything. I'm like the only person I know like it so I don't expect any of you to understand.

But it's a pure fact that most of the Nile tabs are incorrect whether they sound right or not. They are in drop A so it's not exactly easy to get everything perfect, I know for myself, I tryed transcribing some stuff from AotW when I got it and gave up after a few minutes.

It's not important to have the correct tab, but personally, I like to.

But repcak, I have to agree about the composition thing, I definately need to find my own style and start doing some original writing.

repcak 06-03-2006 11:33 AM

the thing about this composition thing i got after reading some interviews with Chuck Schuldiner from Death. This man is just amazing!

read [URL="http://www.emptywords.org/GuitarSchool09-1993.htm"]this[/URL] interview; its quite interesting.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 11:58 AM

was* :(

TEST 06-03-2006 11:58 AM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Well most of you should know I'm an accuracy whore in all meanings. I love having the exact notes, exact fingerings, exact timings, correct tuning, pickstrokes etc everything. I'm like the only person I know like it so I don't expect any of you to understand.

But it's a pure fact that most of the Nile tabs are incorrect whether they sound right or not. They are in drop A so it's not exactly easy to get everything perfect, I know for myself, I tryed transcribing some stuff from AotW when I got it and gave up after a few minutes.

It's not important to have the correct tab, but personally, I like to.

But repcak, I have to agree about the composition thing, I definately need to find my own style and start doing some original writing.[/QUOTE]

I know you are! :p

I care plenty about correct notes, tunings and such.
Pick strokes,
Only if it determines how the riff sounds.

IE, on lashed to the slave stick, The intro bar chords need to be down picked, otherwise it doesn't sound good.

I've become a tuning nazi though. I don't play things in the wrong tuning anymore.
Obviously sounds much better when in correct tuning. Except for Nile, I play in Drop D, since that's the alt tuning that sounds best with it.
Drop A is too much slack.

HAIL TRUE METAL 06-03-2006 12:01 PM

mastadon has their **** in drop A. i dont like that though

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:02 PM

A G C F A D is not 'Drop A'.

HAIL TRUE METAL 06-03-2006 12:03 PM

i know, i never said it was that

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:04 PM

Yes you did, you said 'mastadon has their **** in drop A'

Mastodon play in A G C F A D, that isnt 'Drop A'.

Drop A is also a retard term.

HAIL TRUE METAL 06-03-2006 12:06 PM

someone told me that they played in drop A. well thanks for correcting me

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:07 PM

oic

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:12 PM

Why is Drop A a retard term?

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:16 PM

Because Drop A is A A D G b e, technically.

Like people call C G C F A D 'Drop C' when Drop C is C A D G B e.

C G C F A D is Drop D: Down a Step.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:19 PM

I see what you mean, but normally "Drop something" terms are used in comparison with Drop D. It just makes sense.

MRDuCran 06-03-2006 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=Squirrel]Because Drop A is A A D G b e, technically.

Like people call C G C F A D 'Drop C' when Drop C is C A D G B e.

C G C F A D is Drop D: Down a Step.[/QUOTE]

He's right. You'll see in tab books that it's addressed like this.

Althought it comes up alot and people like to argue about it.

Some may say the C G C F A D is drop C, some say that it's dropped C, some say it's drop D: Down a step.

The only time I've ever seen anything like B A D G B e, is for the Black Label Society song, The Blessed Hellride so I usually call it drop C too.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:20 PM

This thread is too full of technically :-\

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=The Unholy]I see what you mean, but normally "Drop something" terms are used in comparison with Drop D. It just makes sense.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't make sense, if you think about it.

But it does make sense if you compare it to the entirety of the tuning Drop D; which is just stupid. Call it its' correct name, not what it is similar to.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=The Unholy]This thread is too full of technically :-\[/QUOTE]

Not really, just what things are meant to be called.

It's very annoying having to hear people throw around incorrect terms then try to justify them.

No wonder electric guitars are viewed so lowly.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:22 PM

Meh, i'll still refer to them as Drop A, C, etc

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:24 PM

Yeah, that's exactly the attitude to take.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:24 PM

It's not that big of a deal to be honest.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:29 PM

Maybe to you.

But having morons going around spouting false terms, about an instrument that I spend hours a day learning and teaching [because I love it to death], is rather disheartening.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:32 PM

I absolutely love music to death. Playing and listening to it too. Also, i've been on this forum long enough to realize how bad people make guitar look. My case isn't nearly as bad as most.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:32 PM

So why are you so happy to use such retarded false terms.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:33 PM

Because it doesn't affect my playing at all.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:34 PM

You can't be that dedicated , seeing as you called these pathetically simple ideas 'too technical'.

AA-12 06-03-2006 12:36 PM

I'm talking in general, not just with that.

Squirrel 06-03-2006 12:36 PM

oic

MRDuCran 06-03-2006 12:55 PM

I'm sure Squirrel is a big fan of Death, and a million other people, so don't think it's fair to call anyone undedicated to music just because they call something a different name when people like Chuck don't know scales or theory, just make stuff up according to what they like and what sounds good to them.

I spend every week around people who don't care about whether the Mixolydian scale is the 5th mode of the Major or the 9th mode of the minor, but I can respect that. People like us like to know pretty much everything properly but should understand different opinions.

repcak 06-03-2006 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I spend every week around people who don't care about whether the Mixolydian scale is the 5th mode of the Major or the 9th mode of the minor, but I can respect that. People like us like to know pretty much everything properly but should understand different opinions.[/QUOTE]

that's exactly what i try to learn. in school i had music-lessons, but i HATED music with passion. i hated my teacher, i hated notes, i hated instruments. one year after i changed to art/draw-lessons, instead of music-lessons i started to play guitar. Therefore i don't know (or knew) anything about music. i'm self-taught and thats what my guitar teacher teaches me: theory.

TEST 06-03-2006 01:48 PM

Squirrel needs a dose of GTFOMI.

As to Drop A : AEADF#B last time I checked.

AA-12 06-03-2006 01:48 PM

AEADGBE \m/

MRDuCran 06-03-2006 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]that's exactly what i try to learn. in school i had music-lessons, but i HATED music with passion. i hated my teacher, i hated notes, i hated instruments. one year after i changed to art/draw-lessons, instead of music-lessons i started to play guitar. Therefore i don't know (or knew) anything about music. i'm self-taught and thats what my guitar teacher teaches me: theory.[/QUOTE]

Heh, I used to like art too!

I was actually thinking about quitting music in college/uni and start doing it again just so if music fails, I can fall back on a good job and I'm pretty good at drawing so I'm sure there's space somewhere.

But I still want to be in a band, rock the fu[size=2]c[/size]k out and write and play good music.

But the point of that post was, knowing the correct terms isn't important to some people, and it actually doesn't matter nor does it affect your playing, and I used Chuck as an example.

AA-12 06-03-2006 01:53 PM

+think about most indian classical artists that know basically no theory at all, and have a way better grip on music than we ever will.

To add to the art thing, i'm a huge fan of art and photography. My entire life I have been.

repcak 06-03-2006 01:54 PM

for some ppl yes, for another it does affect. i want to know theory, cause i know i need it if i want to play/write something.
for ppl like chuck it will work, for me it doesn't.

repcak 06-03-2006 01:57 PM

[QUOTE=The Unholy]+think about most indian classical artists that know basically no theory at all, and have a way better grip on music than we ever will.

To add to the art thing, i'm a huge fan of art and photography. My entire life I have been.[/QUOTE]
me too! i remember when i was in the Tate Modern in London when there were a Andy Warhol gallery - it blew me away.
i love photography as well! on my homepage i tried to make some nice shots on the beach in poland and as well i have a gallery of a cemetery *g* you can see all the photos on my homepage. my sister is studying photography and film making.

@Unholy: if you really love photography you will know [url]www.photo.net[/url] for sure. its updated every day... tons of great photos from all over the world

AA-12 06-03-2006 01:59 PM

Yep yep. Photo.net is great.

repcak 06-03-2006 03:10 PM

@Mitch: cause i post you the link to the interview with Chuck and you quoted him several times today. for me the most important statement was not, that he doesn't know any theory, for me the most important thing was this:

[I]I was never too good at copying other people's material, which is why we started writing our own songs as soon as we formed Mantas.[/I]

because he didn't copied other guitarists and didn't learnt songs by other bands, he was able to develop his own unique guitar style. thats something that nowadays too few guitarists too. most of us, just copy licks, riffs by other bands.

AA-12 06-03-2006 03:16 PM

I'm prett sure he did have outside influence though on his music. It's impossible not to.


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