But it clearly shows their lack of mature writing. It's mature past the whole "verse chorus" thing but it's completely unstructured and wanders alot. Even if they don't rely on previous riffs, that's not necessarily a good thing. To someone who's taking formal songwriting and composition classes (me), it's really undeveloped to me.

That said, the content is great and I'll give it a listen every once in a while. I just got done listening to Orchid so yeah, I do like older Opeth alot too. The songwriting is much more developed now though.

I have to say that I find BRI to be underwhelming in comparison to the praise it gets, but maybe that's just my opinion. I also feel it's under-developped despite it's unconventional structure, or lackthereof. Oddly enough, as I finished typing that sentence, Deliverance started to play, almost instantly.

[QUOTE=Moses]But it clearly shows their lack of mature writing. It's mature past the whole "verse chorus" thing but it's completely unstructured and wanders alot. Even if they don't rely on previous riffs, that's not necessarily a good thing. To someone who's taking formal songwriting and composition classes (me), it's really undeveloped to me.[/QUOTE]
I'm a music major.... I can hear there structure just find. They do have general theme through out their songs.

I had a good mate I took the Sydeny concert last month. I wanted someone to come with me so he was a good guitarest drummer mate, dug the metal everyone knows but never was really into the stuff I was in. He went to Opeth with me after I showed him Lamentations and I converted him. He loves them now and has become an extreme metal fan, he likes Necrophagist etc now. Its so good, to final have someone who digs the same as you. He likes growls now and said the concert was AMAZING. Killed anything he had ever seen or heard. So there you go, another to our ranks.

I would say Ghost Reveries is more Dream Theatre and Tool influenced Opeth

While something like My arms you hearse is more death metal influenced.

[QUOTE=Moses]To someone who's taking formal songwriting and composition classes (me), it's really undeveloped to me.
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How did you go about getting those? I'm really interested in doing the same (more arranging, actually), although I'm not quite sure where to look.

Ah, ****.

[quote=Opeth.com]Martin Lopez leaves Opeth!

After several months away from his drumming duties in Opeth Martin Lopez has permanently decided to leave the group. After being plagued by illness and anxiety attacks Lopez decided he wanted to concentrate fully on his own project, currently unnamed. His replacement will be Martin "Axe" Axenrot who's been filling in for the last 5 tours and who also recorded with the band during the recent BBC sessions.


Mikael Åkerfeldt: " However sad I and the rest of the band feel in light of Lopez departure I want to thank him for his incredible work with Opeth and immense dedication to the band. We recorded some classic stuff together and he obviously had an enormous impact on our sound. I now feel very excited to hear the material of his own band. In the meantime Opeth fans can rest assured that we'll continue jamming it out with Axe and we all have high expectations about our coming musical ventures "

Watch this spot for updates on Martin Lopez.
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Great. More Axenrot.

whoa , thats news to me.

is axenrot bad? Forgive me, ive never heard of him

[QUOTE=Hevy Tred]is axenrot bad? Forgive me, ive never heard of him[/QUOTE]

He seems to be a fast learner, he's just no Martin Lopez. :(

[QUOTE=Hevy Tred]is axenrot bad? Forgive me, ive never heard of him[/QUOTE]
No freaking way, he's really good (Bloobath's drummer) but he jsut isn't Lopez :mad:

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah it's longer...but BRI is far more intricate.[/QUOTE]
More intricate than Echoes? Hardly.
And as people were saying, BRI is essentially a bunch of really awesome parts thrown together, with barely any thought given to structure (or so the final product appears). That is its main weakness. Musically, it could be split up into 2 or more pieces and nobody would ever know that they had been one song. Echoes, on the other hand, is more cohesive and planned out, etc.

Of course I will defend Echoes to the death, it being the best song ever.

I will stand by saying that my favourite 20+ minute piece is Tubular Bells part 1. My god... it' so great. BRI does nothing for me.

[QUOTE=JamJar]I will stand by saying that my favourite 20+ minute piece is Tubular Bells part 1. My god... it' so great. BRI does nothing for me.[/QUOTE]
Tubular Bells is also another piece which is probably better than BRI. Although not by so much.

Which reminds me, I have it on LP. I need to bust that out tonight.

So what does everyone think of the GR reissue? People are saying (of course) that it's just a sign of how Roadrunner is going to exploit the band for money, which is probably is, but you can't complain.

[quote=opeth.com]Bonus material include a 40 minute documentary about the making of the record complete with the bands own private tour footage, a cover of Deep Purple's "Soldier of fortune" recorded for UK's BBC radio, the video for "The grand conjuration", liner notes, photos, enhanced 24 page booklet, deluxe sleeve, and 5.1 surround exclusive mix of the record made by original mixed/engineer Jens Bogren.[/quote]

The documentary, tour footage, Deep Purple Cover, and 5.1 mix all sound awesome. I don't actually own the album yet, either, so this is definitely a good excuse to buy it. You can't accuse Roadrunner of putting out a pointless money-grab reissue in this case.

I have a feeling that the documentary would be rather bittersweet, especially any Lopez footage.

I'm pretty happy for that rerelease since I haven't bought GR yet

[QUOTE=Hevy Tred]Yea but...Deliverance is a really hard album for a new opeth fan to get into
BWP would be best


Bleak \m/ (My first opeth song)[/QUOTE]
really......? :lol: we are like polar opposites in our opinions.....BWP did not flabbergast me like the other albums did, and deliverance was the album that really got me into opeth the first time

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]I'm a music major.... I can hear [B]there[/B] structure just find. They do have general theme through out their songs.[/QUOTE]
Yup, definately not an English major :p Sorry, couldn't resist.

I was going to say something about how I don't like the idea of being taught a certain way of arranging music and such, but I can't gather my thoughts well enough to make a pointed post.

[QUOTE=Jude]Of course I will defend Echoes to the death, it being the best song ever.[/QUOTE]

Truth.

[QUOTE=JamJar]BRI does nothing for me.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you need to listen to it more or something, it took me many listens to really appreciate it's brilliance.

I try not to worry about the structural intricacy of BRI, I really just don't care about it. It is basically just a bunch of great riffs thrown together, but that's fine with me. I don't think I would like it any better if they went back and tried to make it more flowing and cohesive.

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]

Maybe you need to listen to it more or something, it took me many listens to really appreciate it's brilliance.
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123. Took me a while to really appreciate it.
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I try not to worry about the structural intricacy of BRI, I really just don't care about it. It is basically just a bunch of great riffs thrown together, but that's fine with me. I don't think I would like it any better if they went back and tried to make it more flowing and cohesive.[/QUOTE]
Same here, again. The parts are really awesome, and some of the parts are the best that I've heard in any Opeth song (especially the acoustic parts and clean vocals). However, the song as a whole really isn't MORE than the sum of its parts - it's just a mishmash of them. But still good.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]I'm pretty happy for that rerelease since I haven't bought GR yet[/QUOTE]

Same. Now I can get a better edition...and I love better editions.

I don't like BRI because it has no substance. Like many others have said, it's just a bunch of awesome, awesome riffs thrown together. Repetition would have made the song excellent...

I f[SIZE="3"]u[/SIZE]cking love Black Rose Immortal because there is NO repititon of riffs.

What's with all the hatin' all of a sudden. :(

I love that song. I choose not to defend it, I just love it. No reason why.

I love it too. It has some awsome moments.

My favorite Opeth song is BRI.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I love that song. I choose not to defend it, I just love it. No reason why.[/QUOTE]

True that...True...that..

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Same. Now I can get a better edition...and I love better editions.

I don't like BRI because it has no substance. Like many others have said, it's just a bunch of awesome, awesome riffs thrown together. Repetition would have made the song excellent...[/QUOTE]

I agree, except I'll go further in saying that it's a bunch of not-so-great riffs thrown together. BRI is one of my least favourite Opeth songs.

There's some killer riffs in there though, you have to admit...

[QUOTE=Toaster]I agree, except I'll go further in saying that it's a bunch of not-so-great riffs thrown together. BRI is one of my least favourite Opeth songs.[/QUOTE

Totally agree....i find it so boring for soem reason.

Don't trash BRI :upset:

I love that song so much....I think it's just me, Deth and Flynn though.

[QUOTE=Txus]Don't trash BRI :upset:

I love that song so much....I think it's just me, Deth and Flynn though.[/QUOTE]
And DoG. I'm listening to it now... 9 minutes in.