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[QUOTE=JXD]EDIT to Jeff: I'm not quite sure what Skype is but I will google it and find out. Have an idea. Internet radio of some sort, I think? Sounds cool...[/QUOTE]
It's a voice over IP thing..

Do you have a mic? We have MX conferences. :cool:

Also, about the whole Roger thing, I dunno. It just kind of bothered me that he would sing a line, then swing his mic, sing another, swing it again (in the same way), sing a line, dance around a bit with the tassels moving around, then swing it again. There is no doubt that he truly delivered with what he did do, but his stage "antics" weren't too refined in those days...

lol wtf

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ied-kZKB4oo&NR[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybt1nHHdyGQ[/url]

not sure if this was mentioned yet or not, but patton's Peeping Tom are opening for the who at MSG this month..........

[QUOTE=fwqhgads]It's a voice over IP thing..

Do you have a mic? We have MX conferences. :cool:[/QUOTE]
this sounds cool. i'm in. gotta get a mic, though. i'll pic one up later this week. i'm assuming they are basically plug & play devices.
[QUOTE=fwqhgads]lol wtf

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ied-kZKB4oo&NR[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybt1nHHdyGQ[/url][/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=deejuks2]not sure if this was mentioned yet or not, but patton's Peeping Tom are opening for the who at MSG this month..........[/QUOTE]
yeah. everyone wants to play with the Who. and the Who aren't a afraid to have younger, more "modern" bands open. they kick arse nonetheless :)

[b]EDIT: New Quadrophenia review at sputnik. Very short.....
<_<[/b]

I find it interesting how as music has evolved and times have passed, younger and modern bands continue to respect the Who. When punk was getting big in the late 70's most of their deal was to hate the older rock groups that in their views were outdated, but they always respected the Who. Even today, the Who are able to play at things like the Virgin Fest (and various other big events in Europe) with mostly younger modern groups.

Who's Next is still in my top 10 of favorite albums.....It's amazing!

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]are you guys kidding me? Roger's mic swinging was his trademark[/QUOTE]

I would like to think that his singing was his trademark.

[QUOTE=JXD]this sounds cool. i'm in. gotta get a mic, though. i'll pic one up later this week. i'm assuming they are basically plug & play devices.[/QUOTE]
Headsets work best

>_>

John: Careful about blaming Roger for the hippie imagery. Remember that Pete was the one most interested in the pop art/image of the band which eventually brought them to the psychedelic clothing style in the later 60's. Moon and Entwislte predictably stayed away from it, but Townshend was pushing the band in his own directions artistically by 1967. Look what he's wearing at Monterey or other photos from the time. Townshend was also the art college student and the only member who seriously experimented with marijuana and psychedelics, although he stopped soon after some bad experiences with STP. While it is true that he shifted out of trying to appeal to hippies as the 60's winded down, don't blame soley Roger for continuing his part in the scheme for a few years.

i think Roger's worst front man persona period was in the Kenney Jones era, personally.

Essentially, Mods were Britain's Hippies

=o

Only in the sense that they were both movements that many teenagers bought into, most of their noteworthy characteristics aren't very similar.

Yes, that's what I mean. They were both counter-culture movements.

I think the "hippie" look of Roger during the Tommy period suited him perfectly. I think he seemed more at ease on stage during that time than he did earlier in their career.

Lunch I want to address your last post but haven't the time. working from home atm. want to leave these for you guys right now:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3REa5oYRXE[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Pete+Townshend&search=Search[/url]

The second is a crap load of pete stuff. interviews, music, etc...the first is pearl jam doing Baba 'O Riley. they do a geat job but don't quite deliver the finish. still nice. found both at pete's site.
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Just giving this a soft bump because its easy to miss at the bottom of the last page. I also wanted to add this:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fm51QBZYLU&mode=related&search=[/url]

I know a lot of you youtube, but sometimes you gotta go deep. This is funny and interesting. Poor Kieth. And contrary to what someone commented I believe Keith is there for much of the song. I faintly hear drums, but can't see him. Of course the band plays on, 'cause after all this is the Who. Also the power of the band is extraordinary in spite of the bad sound. Good deal.

Outstanding live video montage with The Who's cover of "Saturday Nights Alright For Fighting"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5v48Am2l0M&mode=related&search=[/url]

Short movie trailer for Quadrophenia
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrlx6l0C4Ts&mode=related&search=[/url]

A MUST see. The greatness of this speaks for itself. Clicky:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfDE-ZvfOwU&mode=related&search=[/url]

John is too good. He's the only bassist (except for maybe Phil Lesh) that I can listen to song in and song out and just be constantly amazed. I mean on that take of WGFA it's Entwistle doesn't even need the rest of the band to make it interesting.

Another thing I notice for the attentive viewer is the discipline put forth by him. It looks as if it took real effort to play like him. If you notice at the beginning when the song begins in earnerst he takes a very deep breath and leans into his instrument a bit. And at the end you see more deep breathes and some relief at the very end. What it must of took for him to play like that and just [i]stand[/i] there with all that mayhem around. And after the synth break you can see the top of Pete's head pass him by as he just flew acrosss the stage onto his kness and John just sort of chuckles and plays on. Just really great footage.

Latest news from Pete's site on the upcoming release:

*excited

[b] 6 September 2006

Endless Wire

After 24 years, the wait is almost over and October 31st will see the release of Endless Wire, the keenly-anticipated first new Who studio album since 1982's It's Hard.

The album features extended versions of the various sections that formed the Wire & Glass mini-opera as well as exploring other themes from Pete's novella The Boy Who Heard Music.

Opening track, Fragments, utilises the pioneering Method music software developed by Pete in conjunction with mathematician/composer Lawrence Ball and software-designer Dave Snowdon.

More details to follow soon but, for now, here's the full track-listing.

1. Fragments
2. Man In A Purple Dress
3. Mike Post Theme
4. In The Ether
5. Black Widow Eyes
6. Two Thousand Years
7. God Speaks To Marty Robbins
8. It's Not Enough
9. You Stand By Me
10. Sound Round
11. Pick Up The Peace
12. Unholy Trinity
13. Trilby's Piano
14. Out On The Endless Wire
15. Fragments Of Fragments
16. We Got A Hit
17. They Made My Dreams Come True
18. Mirror Door
19. Tea & Theatre[/b]

phew unbanned again. I was just about to post that Isolated Bass thing when I realized that John beat me to it

:p

This is an open letter to America from Pete's Diaries, taken from his website as the eve of The Who's North American Tour approaches:

[b]3 September 2006

A Letter To America

This is the last day I spend with my son, my family, our five dogs, in my garden, enjoying the end of the English summer, the blue dragon-flies over the mill-pond, the sound of the coots: Tomorrow I begin my journey to come and play to you. The European tour ended just before August began, and I’d hoped to spend the entire month relaxing, preparing for the two American legs of our tour this autumn. That was not to be. I have been finishing off the mixing of the Who album, liaising on the art work, doing some early interviews about it, and finally working to complete full-length versions of two songs from Wire & Glass (the Mini-Opera included on the album). If you have listened to the condensed version we put out in July, or watched any of our early live webcasts that featured the Mini-Opera, you will know the two tracks: Endless Wire and We Got A Hit.

I’ve been busy and so has my partner Rachel. We’ve recorded a few great new tracks of hers at home together, and she’s been working out how best to arrange her time on tour to promote her EP Shine and keep up her work on In The Attic. We try hard both to get in each other’s way as much as possible, and give each other career-space.

This weekend though has been deliberately slow. Two days running my son has had to do some inductions at his school, and show new kids around now he is a sixth-former. One of my two daughters is coming this evening to have a meal, and to catch up, and say goodbye. I walked the dogs this morning in a light rain on a deserted heath, passing only three people in ninety minutes, and stopped and chatted to a charming man who I didn’t recognise who said he had been the music director on the English theatre version of Tommy.

This entry is a kind of goodbye – for now – to this pleasant English life I lead when I am not being a rock musician. It is hello to hotels, media inquisitions, being shouted at in the street, and the security and safety of being sequestered at Who shows, ready to play, ready to fly, ready to try to forget who I was, who I am, and who I might one day soon become, and occupy the ‘zone’ for a few moments – and perhaps play as well as I did in Madrid.

I’m not going to pretend I’m looking forward to being away from home, but neither am I going to pretend I’m not looking forward to the tour. These are the last few hours I have to enjoy the almost absolute silence of the countryside, and the ability to instantly meditate as one can when sitting on a bench in a wood, or a field, or on a hill, with no body and no building in sight.

I heard some tracks from Bob Dylan’s new CD on BBC radio last night. They are great. Mature just as Bruce Springsteen’s last album was. The critics were favourable about the way Bob Dylan is facing his ageing process and is remaining connected with his ageing audience. It made me think; I believe I have done something like this on some of the songs on the Who album. But on some of them I have borrowed the voices of an imaginary young band of musicians, and allowed them to speak when very young, when young and middle-aged, and then when they are even older than I am today. I wonder why we, the song-writers of today, feel the need to even think about this? Did Cole Porter worry about the creatures of his craft growing old gracefully, bitterly or resolutely? Did Frank and Ella concern themselves about how strange it might be to sing songs about young love, when both of them were in old age?

Rock ‘n’roll – and Bob Dylan exploded from the slowly evolving folk traditions of Dave Van Ronk and Ritchie Havens and embraced the rock form by sheer force of will – is getting old. If it embraces the issues of ageing, it will age. Or would you say it is becoming universal now, free of limitation and constraint? Against all the odds I put up in my own jaundiced middle-age, rock is not dead. Neither is it right. Or wrong. Or a new religion. Or an answer. Or even a question. It’s a process. An island. Walk on, walk off. The kids in my imaginary band The Glass Household in Wire & Glass describe the process as breathing, exploding, imploding, climbing a stairway to a door made from a mirror, and walking through, expecting oblivion in a Black Hole, instead finding a slow after-show party.

I feel as though I’m walking out of the sleepy party, back through the door, down the stairway, to the stage. There’s some cleaning up to do down there before I can go back up and chit-chat about past lives.

-PT [/b]

:D

I always love reading his blog/diary thing. He's such a great writer with even those.

whoa. just got in from the most boring day of the year. possibly the decade. perhaps my life.

pete is very entertaining, i agree. i've always appreciated his literary way with words and how he expresses himself. ever since i first became a Who fan that has been the case. he really drew me into the band. i just find him a fascinating character.

man, i'm so tired....

"I'm Pete Townshend, all I ever do is over analyze everything to the point where I sound way too smart for all my fans to understand me, therefore placing me above them with my pretentious attitude about all music and life."

JK I <3 you Pete.

...Just not as much as the other three guys.

My two favorites are dead. But Pete and Roger still rock and are awesome guys.

I'm looking forward to the new album. Unfortunately, I'm missing out on them live.

John>Keith>Roger>Pete, in terms of how much I like each member.

Seafroggys mentioned that even though he was a drummer, John was his favorite member. That's obviously how I am too. I love Keith and think he is the greatest rock drummer of all time, so that really says something about what I think of John. Entwistle is probably one of my top two or three favorite musicians of all-time.

I think it says a lot about how awesome each of them were individually that I can't rank them. There are very few singers with more power than Roger, fewer drummers that can compete with Keith, and just about nobody can compete with John. As for Pete, well there are loads of better guitarists, but when you consider that he's also a great songwriter and underrated singer he compares well.

Pete is just dynamite to watch live, too.

[QUOTE=Lunch]"I'm Pete Townshend, all I ever do is over analyze everything to the point where I sound way too smart for all my fans to understand me, therefore placing me above them with my pretentious attitude about all music and life."

JK I <3 you Pete.

...Just not as much as the other three guys.[/QUOTE]
the other three would of been much less without Pete. remember that, you lover of the most "pretentious" work about music and life Pete ever produced. which was Tommy, of course.

Pete> John > Keith > Roger

just for the record. :)

/smashes Lunch on the head with electric guitar

Moor deets

Nov. 13 - Salt Lake City, UT at the Delta Center
Nov. 14 - Denver, CO at the Pepsi Center
Nov. 17 - Dallas, TX at the American Airlines Center
Nov. 18 - Houston, TX at the Toyota Center
Nov. 20 - Miami, FL at the Bank Atlantic Center
Nov. 22 - Atlanta, GA at the The Arena at Gwinnett Center
Nov. 27 - Hershey, PA at the Giant Center
Dec. 1 - Uncasville, CT at Mohegan Sun
Dec. 5 - Grand Rapids, MI at the Van Andel Arena
Dec. 7 - Omaha, NE at the Qwest Center
Dec. 8 - Minneapolis, MN at the Xcel Energy Center
Dec. 11 - Columbus, OH at the Value City Arena

;) :D I think there are going to be a few people happy with the new dates(not me though)

Canadian Dates
Sep 30, 2006 London ON CA John Labatt Centre
Oct 03, 2006 Winnipeg MB CA MTS Centre
Oct 05, 2006 Calgary AB CA Pengrowth Saddledome
Oct 06, 2006 Edmonton AB CA Rexall Place
Oct 08, 2006 Vancouver BC CA GM Place
Oct 10, 2006 Portland OR US Rose Garden
Oct 11, 2006 Seattle WA US Key Arena
Nov 05, 2006 Los Angeles CA US Hollywood Bowl
Nov 24, 2006 Atlantic City, NJBorgata
Dec 04, 2006 Toronto ON Air Canada Centre

[QUOTE=JXD]the other three would of been much less without Pete. remember that, you lover of the most "pretentious" work about music and life Pete ever produced. which was Tommy, of course.

Pete> John > Keith > Roger

just for the record. :)

/smashes Lunch on the head with electric guitar[/QUOTE]

Yea, but there's a big difference between creative leader and direcetor of a band and Pete Townshend. I like all his artsy writing and musical concepts, but he just rambles on about them forever. Especially Tommy. I'm not even trying to pretend to defend Tommy in those terms.

/sends you to hosptial with swift upper cut

I hope that CT date is near NY. Because I'm really pissed off I missed out on tickets for them considering their pretty much playing in NY all week right now.

Edit- Crap it's at Mohegan Sun. I'm pretty sure that that's in the middle of nowhere like 1.5-2 hours away from me.

Edit 2- Crap again, I just mapquested it and it's 2 hours away. Which is too far. I wish I had my own car. But there's no way my parents will drive me 2 hours to a concert, and there's no way they'd trust one of my friends driving 2 hours to a concert.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Yea, but there's a big difference between creative leader and direcetor of a band and Pete Townshend. I like all his artsy writing and musical concepts, but he just rambles on about them forever. Especially Tommy. I'm not even trying to pretend to defend Tommy in those terms.

/sends you to hosptial with swift upper cut[/QUOTE]
ouch! :upset:

yes. you are right. he does tend to explain things, ad infinitum. and i must admit it has bothered me when he does it from the stage. and he is never shy about telling an audience member to shut up or fuc.k off if they get impatient. which i've always thought was ok. even Roger has come to his aid on stage sometimes. or he laughs. the refreshing thing about pete though is that he is very self depreciationg, never taking himself too seriously. or at least admitting he is a self-indulgent twit at times. for all his highness i have always found him incredibly down to earth, accessible, honest, and humble. thats always been attractive to me. i also like his guitar playing. i think he does what he does very well. i also like the way his acoustic guitar leads the way on many of even the most explosive Who songs. right out front in the mix. in the studio, at least. from beginning to end he propels the songs forward with his acoustic playing. like on the new cut "We Got A Hit". pete is just rocking that acoustic. very unusual for bands like The Who.
[QUOTE=robo2448]I hope that CT date is near NY. Because I'm really pissed off I missed out on tickets for them considering their pretty much playing in NY all week right now.

Edit- Crap it's at Mohegan Sun. I'm pretty sure that that's in the middle of nowhere like 1.5-2 hours away from me.

Edit 2- Crap again, I just mapquested it and it's 2 hours away. Which is too far. I wish I had my own car. But there's no way my parents will drive me 2 hours to a concert, and there's no way they'd trust one of my friends driving 2 hours to a concert.[/QUOTE]
bummer, robo. that sucks. maybe something good will happen and you'll get to see them.

Hollywood Bowl FTW :)

[QUOTE=robo2448]I hope that CT date is near NY. Because I'm really pissed off I missed out on tickets for them considering their pretty much playing in NY all week right now.

Edit- Crap it's at Mohegan Sun. I'm pretty sure that that's in the middle of nowhere like 1.5-2 hours away from me.

Edit 2- Crap again, I just mapquested it and it's 2 hours away. Which is too far. I wish I had my own car. But there's no way my parents will drive me 2 hours to a concert, and there's no way they'd trust one of my friends driving 2 hours to a concert.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you could dupe them into staying overnihgt at Mohegan sun? Maybe they would have cheap places to stay asuming that you would be blowing all of your money on casino-ing
otherwise I would recommend trying to find a bus

I'm bussing all the way to Boston for 5 hours or so. I hope the creep I have to sit next to isn't the worst smelling on the bus, but some sacrafices must be made for the Who

Too bad my parents aren't cool loose hippies like yours. They wouldn't let me near a bus. "Oh no, you'd get kidnapped!" Actually, they wouldn't say that, they'd laugh and assume I was joking.

But by then, I'll also be 18... which means I can do whatever the hell I want so maybe.

[QUOTE=robo2448]Too bad my parents aren't cool loose hippies like yours.[/QUOTE]
Unlucky.