[QUOTE=Eggo]Dream Theater is cool.

But so many people focus on the technical talents of its members...And I don't understand that since there are so many better or equally talented guitarists/bassists/drummers out there.[/QUOTE]


So many? Go on then, name some rock/metal bands where all the members are more talented than DT.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]So many? Go on then, name some rock/metal bands where all the members are more talented than DT.[/QUOTE]

I can't name any rock/metal bands, but the members of Dream Theater are pretty much inconsequential when compared to jazz musicians. And don't tell me you can't compare them, because I know Petrucci went to music school for jazz :)

[QUOTE=EddieVanHalen769]I've never understood all the hype about The Glass Prison.[/QUOTE]
its a good song, but to be honest its not my favourite DT song...that's probably Wait for Sleep, or Pull Me Under.

[QUOTE=Eggo]I can't name any rock/metal bands, but the members of Dream Theater are pretty much inconsequential when compared to jazz musicians. And don't tell me you can't compare them, because I know Petrucci went to music school for jazz :)[/QUOTE]
Thats true. But those jazz musicians probably couldn't make progressive metal the way Dream Theater does.

[QUOTE=Jovian]We'll have to agree to disagree on this. :)

When I think of "prog", I think of Dream Theater, The Mars Volta and Spock's Beard.

Queensyche is a **** good rock band... but not prog, IMO.[/QUOTE]



You're an idiot. Spocks Beard and The Mars Volta are amazingly bad.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]That is the most stupid statement I've heard all day[/QUOTE]


Did you see that guy trying to argue Queensryche aren't prog?

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]You're an idiot. [B]Spocks Beard[/B] and The Mars Volta are amazingly bad.[/QUOTE]
too true. i find them very annoying

6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence are one of my favorite DT albums.I have allot of friends that also love that album so im pretty suprised to hear y say that

Octavarium, their new album is pretty good too.Its a little different from their past three albums but not a bad direction either. :thumb:

I think Stream of Consciousness has the most difficult/fastest Petrucci solo in it. Anyone agree or have a different solo in mind?

Memorizing all of A Change of Seasons would be his most difficult task :P

[QUOTE=Vai's Jem #2]I think Stream of Consciousness has the most difficult/fastest Petrucci solo in it. Anyone agree or have a different solo in mind?[/QUOTE]

that whole song is fairly complex and quick with some great riffs, and the solo is long, but I think his fastest playing is for the most part with LTE like in Acid Rain and Paradigm Shift and a few others. he is quite fast and a great composer in some cases.

ACOS is very long with tons of changes in moods and such, but it's not a highly technical song (compared to lots of his other work) but the long solo about 15 through is incredible still to say the least!

There are plenty of other guitarists and whole bands, though like Eggo said that are at a minimum of equal to if not better than DT. But I still love DT tons.

[QUOTE=cjborton]Glass Prison - Good song
Honor Thy Father - Not a big fan of "rapping James"[/QUOTE]


haha that's mass funny to read, even though it's true for me too. it's wierd to me how much he did that on ToT. "Don't cross the crooked step" and all of those other lyrics. haha but it's still good music.

[QUOTE=Vai's Jem #2]I think Stream of Consciousness has the most difficult/fastest Petrucci solo in it. Anyone agree or have a different solo in mind?[/QUOTE]



I'd say that's probably his fastest.

I agree, I've looked at the tabs (and listened to it) and yes, relative to the speed he's playing, the second solo from stream of consciousness is his fastest. Although not by far--the outro to TDS is fast and pretty much everything in the test that stumped them all is fast.

And to whoever said that petrucci was incomparable to jazz:

Petrucci's style is much more ecclectic, ranging from the solo on solitary shell to a slow and thoughful solo at the beginning of hollow years (at live in budokan), and then to pretty much anything he did on train of thought. Jazz musicians, while i give them credit, don't span as large a range. And, btw, that school for jazz he went to--he scored off the charts, so i assume that means something when compared to other musicians.

And there arent [I]plenty[/I] of equally as talented musicians...only a hadful including Vai, Satch, that Sfoglio guy from elements of persuasion, among a few others.

Acid rain isnt actually that fast, solowise. although i agree that universal mind is.

And yes. The mars volta *is* amazingly bad

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]You're an idiot. Spocks Beard and The Mars Volta are amazingly bad.[/QUOTE]

Shoosh!

I'm going to see them on sunday!!
although they have a short stage time.
1,5 hour I believe, but I will see them again for a fulltime concert in oktober, so this is just an appetizer (sp) :D

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]Did you see that guy trying to argue Queensryche aren't prog?[/QUOTE]

You have to be one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on the internet. :lol:

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]You're an idiot. Spocks Beard and The Mars Volta are amazingly bad.[/QUOTE]

Witness the Jackass in it's natural habitat... the internet. :)

DumFuk Spiral guy doesn't know what real prog is.

Yes, the band, is real prog.

Peter Gabriel-era Genesis is real prog.

They make Queensryche look like the Ramones, you ignorant twat.

wow, triple post.

please use the edit button :)

woot i got my ticket today for the London show :)

**** you i want tickets
im gonna wait for a closer venue though
how much was it?

[QUOTE=Jovian]You have to be one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on the internet. :lol:[/QUOTE]

...Right next to yourself I'm assuming? :lol: I think Queensryche are prog. for sure. RideTheSpiral is most definitely correct.

After listening to SFAM a few more times, I must say that Through Her Eyes keeps the album from being something truly great. It's so ****ing corny, and it sounds like a **** R&B song with the computer drums. This is all just my opinon though, and I wouldn't be surprised if you guys disagree with me.

[QUOTE=SRTracer]...Right next to yourself I'm assuming? :lol: I think Queensryche are prog. for sure. RideTheSpiral is most definitely correct.[/QUOTE]

Queensryche are DEFINATELY prog. If you don't think that, you should learn how to listen to music.

[QUOTE=SRTracer]...Right next to yourself I'm assuming? :lol: I think Queensryche are prog. for sure. RideTheSpiral is most definitely correct.[/QUOTE]
Queensryche = far from prog; nowhere near as complicated and progressive as Dream Theater, Yes and Gabriel-era Genesis.

Spiral and yourself = AssHats

:)

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Queensryche are DEFINATELY prog. If you don't think that, you should learn how to listen to music.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Verdana][/FONT][SIZE=7]WRONG!!![/SIZE]

[QUOTE=jpshortstuff]**** you i want tickets
im gonna wait for a closer venue though
how much was it?[/QUOTE]
£27 I think :)

Which band does not fit?

The Mars Volta
Dream Theater
[COLOR=Teal][SIZE=2]Queensryche[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Spock's Beard
Yes
Genesis


Definitely.... [B][SIZE=7]Queensryche[/SIZE][/B]

:)

[QUOTE=Jovian]Which band does not fit?

The Mars Volta
Dream Theater
[COLOR=Teal][SIZE=2]Queensryche[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Spock's Beard
Yes
Genesis


Definitely.... [B][SIZE=7]Queensryche[/SIZE][/B]

:)[/QUOTE]
just shut up now

[QUOTE=red barchetta]just shut up now[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE=7]NO!!!![/SIZE][/B]

:)

[QUOTE=Jovian][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][SIZE=7]WRONG!!![/SIZE][/QUOTE]

SOMEbody doesn't know his music. :)

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]SOMEbody doesn't know his music. :)[/QUOTE]

Have every Queensryche album from Rage for Order to Tribe.
Have every DT album from Images and Words to Train of Thought.
Have the "Yes... in a word" Box Set
Have "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" "Foxtrot" and "Selling England by the Pound" by Genesis.
Have both Mars Volta CDs.

It's safe to say that Queensryche's song formats and structures are nowhere near as complicated as the other bands listed above. Progressive rock is defined by the complexity of the song structures, odd time signatures, etc. Queensryche's music is simplistic like Neil Young and Bob Dylan compared to Yes, Mars Volta, etc.

Been avid fan of rock music and Queensryche before most of you dilweeds were even born. ;)

So, I've been listenning to Awake.

I really like Scarred, Lie and Caught in a Web.. LaBrie's voice in the first song (Except for where he says "Six o'clock on a christmas morning" or whatever) is the best he has ever done, in my opinion..

Yeah, just listenning to it some more, I like this album :)

And if you knew two cents about the mars volta, you would know that it's very simple and also is all most always improvised live.


Meshuggah and Dillinger's stuff is as complex as all that stuff, yet the are not labeled progressive.

[QUOTE=AClotM1]And if you knew two cents about the mars volta, you would know that it's very simple and also is all most always improvised live.
QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

*fart*

LaBrie doesn't say 'six o clock...' It's just a sample.

So Jovian: if you don't think Queensryche is prog, what is it? Don't tell me its just ordinary mainstream hard rock because then youre even more wrong.

The Mars Volta are not prog....Jovian.

But I must say that Queensryche are lacking the things that I would call prog. No long songs, No odd ball time sigs, no long winding instrumentals.... little technicallity.


They have Just a concept album, and a great one at that.

[QUOTE=Zirikzigil]LaBrie doesn't say 'six o clock...' It's just a sample.

So Jovian: if you don't think Queensryche is prog, what is it? Don't tell me its just ordinary mainstream hard rock because then youre even more wrong.[/QUOTE]

Queensryche in the 1980's = Metal (like Priest and Maiden)
Queensryche now = Hard Rock

:)

You people are totally clueless about Progressive Rock. Feel free to keep making complete [B] [SIZE=3]A$$ES[/SIZE][/B] of yourselves, 'cause it's very entertaining for me. ;)

Who here has even heard the band... YES.... or Peter Gabriel-era Genesis?

[QUOTE=AClotM1]The Mars Volta are not prog....Jovian.

But I must say that Queensryche are lacking the things that I would call prog. No long songs, No odd ball time sigs, no long winding instrumentals.... little technicallity.


They have Just a concept album, and a great one at that.[/QUOTE]

Then what are they!??!?! Hardcore Complex Latino? :D