Awesome, too bad the word hardcore or screamo dont mean anything to people in Hawaii. Except for like 5 people.

[QUOTE=nothing6]the number twelve rules. saw them twice, great stuff.

dillinger escape plan classify themselves as grindcore.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain how they are grind? I dont understand what makes them grind.

i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that

[QUOTE=nothing6]i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that[/QUOTE]
wierd, I would think they would be their own genre, or like tech metalcore or something.

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]Not grind. Great job writing this but you contradicted yourself. You said that grindcore didnt follow conventional structure, yet dillinger escape plan is one of the most technical bands ive ever heard. Never heard mathcore being known as grind... D E P doesnt have any blast beats, they dont have 30 second songs, its not all distorted. There is no growls or high pitched shrieks, and D E P does have intelligble lyrics, therefore there is no reason for D E P to be called grind. :)[/QUOTE]Take it up with Sk8SkaNJ my brotha!

Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.[/QUOTE]
I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.

Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.[/QUOTE]
ok from this moment forward MATHCORE is a new genre :cool:

Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...[/QUOTE]
tru dat, mathmetal it is then

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.[/QUOTE]

Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez24]Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.[/QUOTE]
yeah but dillinger isnt really the screamo or grind sound

Dillinger definitely has some grind in there. Math Metal/Grindcore just about sums it up I think. Maybe some metal thrown in there.

Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.

They definitely have a grind influence though.

Yes.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.[/QUOTE]
i always here people on other boards saying that the locust and daughters are not grind. i don't know much about grind, so i don't know. and yeah, DEP are definately not a grind band.

Daughters and The Locust are grind.

I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music.

Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal

The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home.

Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore.

I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997).

That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.

norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?

[QUOTE=EEbass04]. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.[/QUOTE]

Wow congratulations, I've probably seen scarlet live 4 or 5 times. That doesn't mean I know about what kind of music they are.

And learn what hardcore is before you go around making idiot statements. Hardcore is a genre of punk, which NONE of those bands are even close to. Learn what hardcore is, asshole.

[QUOTE=EEbass04]I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music.

Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal

The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home.

Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore.

I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997).

That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea what you're talking about. However, you seem like an intelligent enough person, so just work at it.

I'm not even going to get into the idiotic genre labeling you attempted, but I do however want to address the Norma Jean not having any technicality:

Listen to "The Entire World Is Counting On Me and They Don't Even Know It", and choke on your silly words.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Hahaha, it's cool.

Converge:
"Last Light" (song with clean, yelly vocals)
"You Fail Me" (best song on the album. slow, gritty and dirty, and just sinister)
"In Her Shadow" (the acoustic one with the 'creepy chanting' we were talking about')

Zao:
"Breath of the Black Muse" (Good song ruined by clean vocals)
"The Last Song from Zion" (POD song)
"The Last Revelation (The Last Prophecy)" (GOOD SONG)[/QUOTE]

i like the converge songs, but they dont seem that far off from the stuff on jane doe. Breath of a black muse friggen rules, the guitarist's singing voice isnt that bad at all, you said it was heaps monotone, although the parts with the singing do sound heaps forced.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?[/QUOTE]

i heart norma jean.

i just realized that jake bannon's scream is a higher pitched, less defined version of dan weyandt's... so you see where im coming from?

oh and to bigsby.. im listening to the last song of zion, i see what you mean with the poppiness and the POD stuff.. if it wasnt for dan this could be on mtv..

[QUOTE=axeslinga_32]i just realized that jake bannon's scream is a higher pitched, less defined version of dan weyandt's... so you see where im coming from?

oh and to bigsby.. im listening to the last song of zion, i see what you mean with the poppiness and the POD stuff.. if it wasnt for dan this could be on mtv..[/QUOTE]

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't really work for Zao.

Dillinger = Mathcore. It's a genre. And it's been a genre for quite a while now.

A false genre with a stupid name.

I posted in this thread 142 times. Wow.

I also just read all 82 pages of this thread. Jesus, I have no life.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Yeah, exactly. It doesn't really work for Zao.[/QUOTE]

it's actually an okay song, the breakdown owns. It's just weird for them..

Alright you fools...Let me help you all. Oh by the way, Converge sold out...They've got to after the crap they call YOU FAIL ME. That isn't Converge, that's sludgy crappy wannabe Converge. I need some of Jane Doe or Petitioning The Empty Sky songs man.


Tech Metal is a genre. Not Mathcore, not tech. It's Tech Metal. Bands as follows are in this genre: ed gein, glass casket, from a second story window, an albatross, the red chord, into the moat, flesh and blood robot, premonitions of war, between the buried and me, psyopus, the number twelve looks like you, machinist, daughters, the end, and tyranny of shaw.

Now, do not question me! For Tech Metal is my favorite genre and I know everything about it. Tech Metal incompasses everything...death/grind/metalcore along with scales, sweeps, arpeggios, and even jazz.

Now as for grind, you are all sadly mistaken. Grind equals Nasum, Pig Destroyer, ORIGIN, Carcass, Napalm Death, and Anagoraphobic Nosebleed. Plus lots of the bands on Relapse Records roster.

Any more questions kiddies?

[QUOTE=cbmartinez24]Daughters and The Locust are grind.[/QUOTE]

No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?[/QUOTE]

Idiot, metalcore doesn't have technical riffs unless you call this a technical riff...chug chugchug chug chugchugchugchug chugchug chug chugchugchug chugchugchugchugchug

Which isn't technical at all. Norma Jean is metalcore, crappy metalcore at that. Hatebreed is like poser-tough guy hardcore. Their breakdowns suck, I don't know why magazines and people think they are so awesome, they really aren't.

you are a moron. if you read what i said, i was actually quoting that guy and i never said metalcore has technical riffs, he did.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]you are a moron. if you read what i said, i was actually quoting that guy and i never said metalcore has technical riffs, he did.[/QUOTE]

Nevermind, yeah, I goofed... :( I can't read.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.[/QUOTE]

I don't know whether those bands you posted are "more grind" than then Daughters and The Locust, but even if they are, that doesn't make Daughters and The Locust not grind.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Alright you fools...Let me help you all. Oh by the way, Converge sold out...They've got to after the crap they call YOU FAIL ME. That isn't Converge, that's sludgy crappy wannabe Converge. I need some of Jane Doe or Petitioning The Empty Sky songs man.


Tech Metal is a genre. Not Mathcore, not tech. It's Tech Metal. Bands as follows are in this genre: ed gein, glass casket, from a second story window, an albatross, the red chord, into the moat, flesh and blood robot, premonitions of war, between the buried and me, psyopus, the number twelve looks like you, machinist, daughters, the end, and tyranny of shaw.

Now, do not question me! For Tech Metal is my favorite genre and I know everything about it. Tech Metal incompasses everything...death/grind/metalcore along with scales, sweeps, arpeggios, and even jazz.

Now as for grind, you are all sadly mistaken. Grind equals Nasum, Pig Destroyer, ORIGIN, Carcass, Napalm Death, and Anagoraphobic Nosebleed. Plus lots of the bands on Relapse Records roster.

Any more questions kiddies?[/QUOTE]
Good job.

You Fail Me is still an awesome CD.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]No, they are not. Listen to Nasum and Origin. Then tell me if they are still grind.[/QUOTE]

Oh great. Dead is back again to bless us all with his faggotry.