[QUOTE=trumpeter;13466430]Danny, stop beating a dead dog.[/QUOTE]

my bad, ill let you guys think that science is immaculate and perfect. ill let you guys think that your jeans retain the color blue in them. ignorance is bliss after all.



























isn't it?

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466494]my bad, ill let you guys think that science is immaculate and perfect. ill let you guys think that your jeans retain the color blue in them. ignorance is bliss after all.



























isn't it?[/QUOTE]

No.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466421]they are true?????? are you kidding? 1+1 is the most UNTRUE thing i have ever heard. this all mathematics is: a [B]man made[/B] medium through which [B]man[/B] is able to atempt to decribe his world.

do you acually think your able to know truth? your lost man, you have no idea if that is what you think. do you acually think that black car you saw earlier today is black? do you ACUALLY THINK THAT IT IS?????[/QUOTE]

You're trying too hard.

And yes, it is true.

When it comes to numbers, there aren't opinions, only facts.

[QUOTE=trumpeter;13466499]No.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Danny, stop beating a dead dog.[/QUOTE]


[SIZE="7"]then listen[/SIZE]















:p im out. night guys.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466509]You're trying too hard.

And yes, it is true.

When it comes to numbers, there aren't opinions, only facts.[/QUOTE]

math is someone's opinion man. thats what your not grasping right now.

[QUOTE=trumpeter;13466447]So


I miss Sade, a lot.[/QUOTE]

Lawl.

I talk to him daily, we buddies and such.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466509]You're trying too hard.

And yes, it is true.

When it comes to numbers, there aren't opinions, only facts.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, numbers don't exist <_<

maths has its flaws

2² = 4
-2² = 4

WTF?

ok here we go. im going to invent a new sect of math.

in Danny's math. 1 = what you know as 3 and 8= what you know as 9

1 + 3 = what you undertstand as 12.

math is a tool, there is no truth in a tool.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466519]math is someone's opinion man. thats what your not grasping right now.[/QUOTE]

Stop being lowsound! :p

Explain how math is an opinion.

[QUOTE=Phalanx;13466530]maths has its flaws

2² = 4
-2² = 4[/QUOTE]

jesus christ thank you.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466540]Explain how math is an opinion.[/QUOTE]

gladly :)


math was created by man. man has no objectivity. therefore, math is subjective.



period.



dont get me wrong man. math is the best possible way to decribe what we think is going on. math WORKS. but that doesn't mean its true man.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466537]ok here we go. im going to invent a new sect of math.

in Danny's math. 1 = what you know as 3 and 8= what you know as 9

1 + 3 = what you undertstand as 12.

math is a tool, there is no truth in a tool.[/QUOTE]

or lets just read 1984 and brainwash ourselves to belive 2+2=5

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466537]ok here we go. im going to invent a new sect of math.

in Danny's math. 1 = what you know as 3 and 8= what you know as 9

1 + 3 = what you undertstand as 12.

math is a tool, there is no truth in a tool.[/QUOTE]
That would meen 3+1...

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466540][B]Stop being lowsound![/B] :p

Explain how math is an opinion.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Snap.

[QUOTE=Ting;13466557]That would meen 3+1...[/QUOTE]

would also be "12"

[QUOTE=trumpeter;13466563]would also be "12"[/QUOTE]

*Gasp*

[QUOTE=trumpeter;13466563]would also be "12"[/QUOTE]

correct. were taught from birth that 1+3 is 4. but if we were taught that 1 + 3 is 12 from our birth, you guys would be defending that statement "because it's true you ****zoring moron lol."

[QUOTE=Ting;13466572]*Gasp*[/QUOTE]


and since if you add the two numbers that make up 12 you get 3, those 2 numbers added together make one number, 1 number, therefore

3+1 = 12

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466553]gladly :)


math was created by man. man has no objectivity. therefore, math is subjective.



period.



dont get me wrong man. math is the best possible way to decribe what we think is going on. math WORKS. but that doesn't mean its true man.[/QUOTE]

It's as true as possible. Math is a human method of quantifying reality. 1+1+2 is "true" as calling grass green. Why is grass green? Because at some point someone decided that the color of grass is called green.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466541]jesus christ thank you.[/QUOTE]

How is that a fu[SIZE="2"]cking[/SIZE] flaw?!

Since I just uploaded this for another thread I thought I'd link from here too so you guys have some backround music if you want...

[url]http://www.thorbass.com/sounds/sonata3.mp3[/url]

[QUOTE=Akira;13466582]It's as true as possible. Math is a human method of quantifying reality. 1+1+2 is "true" as calling grass green. Why is grass green? Because at some point someone decided that the color of grass is called green.[/QUOTE]

i agree.

[QUOTE=me]you think that car you saw today was acully black?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466576]correct. were taught from birth that 1+3 is 4. but if we were taught that 1 + 3 is 12 from our birth, you guys would be defending that statement "because it's true you ****zoring moron lol."[/QUOTE]

You are right. And if we as humans decided grass is pink and horses are really called unicorns, that would be "true" too. You are losing the concept of names. If you are going to argue about math you have to argue the same idea to everything.

[quote] Originally Posted by me
you think that car you saw today was acully black?[/quote]
That's just dumb. Of course it's black. It's black because we say it is. You cannot apply concrete ideas of "truth" to an abstract concept like a name.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466585]How is that a fu[SIZE="2"]cking[/SIZE] flaw?![/QUOTE]

2 =/= -2

2^2 = 4

-2^2 = 4
^^^ that defies ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL logic. you only accept it because school drilled it into your head that, "this is ok, it still works lol."

im not arguing the usefulness of math, if there was a better way, we'd use it. but ITS NOT TRUE. knowing mathematics is not ataining knowledge. does a computer [B]know[/B] what a 2 is? of coarse it ****ing doesn't man. its just a tool, there's no truth in it that your looking for.

[QUOTE=Akira;13466602]You are right. And if we as humans decided grass is pink and horses are really called unicorns, that would be "true" too. You are losing the concept of names. If you are going to argue about math you have to argue the same idea to everything.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="7"]YES YES:chug: [/SIZE]

im saying that there cant be truth in anything. except truth itsself.

you gotta think guys. question what they tell you. do you really think that america went to war with iraq because of WOMD? OF COARSE YOU DONT. but before the "truth came out" we were all like "omfg kill those beeches, they gots the WOMD, my government told me so."

its the exsact same concept with anything they tell you in school, or in church, or what your parents say, anything.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466625]2 =/= -2

2^2 = 4

-2^2 = 4
^^^ that defies ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL logic. you only accept it because school drilled it into your head that, "this is ok, it still works lol."

im not arguing the usefulness of math, if there was a better way, we'd use it. but ITS NOT TRUE. knowing mathematics is not ataining knowledge. does a computer [B]know[/B] what a 2 is? of coarse it ****ing doesn't man. its just a tool, theres not truth that your looking for.[/QUOTE]

2^2=2 x 2
-2^2=-2 x -2
-2 x -2=4

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466576]correct. were taught from birth that 1+3 is 4. but if we were taught that 1 + 3 is 12 from our birth, you guys would be defending that statement "because it's true you ****zoring moron lol."[/QUOTE]

Uhh...

1+3=4 because we all know how to count and add numbers together.

Let me try to explain this...

People used to think the Earth was flat. This was regarded as fact and truth because there was no disputing it at that time. They couldn't disprove it. Eventually they discovered that it is actually round, which we know is a fact know.
The Earth is something that existed already and they were using their knowledge of it to come to the conclusions that they did.

Mathematics and numbers were INVENTED by man, they did not exist beforehand. There is nothing new to find out about 1+1 because it already has an answer that is set in stone, 2. We're not going to suddenly get some new information by doing equation after equation that tells us, oh, 1+1 is actually 3.

it's not the same though, numbers are names of how many of something there is

1 dot = .
2 dots = ..

1 dot + 2 dots = ...

2 dots x 2 dots = ....

but, if we represent -2 as a color, in today's mathematics

[COLOR="yellow"]2 dots x 2 dots =[/COLOR]....

That doesn't make sense unless im getting all this theory **** confused