[QUOTE=enter natman]no idea what it was as i don't listen to punk, but it was obviously punk.[/QUOTE]

Ok i can't really argue seen as i wasn't at that show, but at every other date on that tour they didn't play any punk.

how would you know that? and those parts are just "crowdplay", and aren't necessarily listed.

Ffs i'm not arguing about something pointless anymore.

you questioned it.

^Whatever

The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.

have you heard the japan CD of ascendancy? with the Storm and Sworn?

[QUOTE=Huber]The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.[/QUOTE]
except for DIYA, which is iconic Metalcore. and i thought it was the singing that was metalcore, not the screams. only in certain parts, though.

Clean singing like Heafy's isn't unique to only metalcore. What the clean contributes to the metalcore category is the mixture of Jamey Jasta-esque scream with clean singing.

That's besides the point anyways. I'm trying to say that the vocals really shouldn't dictate what kind of music they play. The songs they composed are metal songs.

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Whoa whoa, DIYA metalcore? That song is more of a pop-punk with the Trivium sound mixed in. There isn't much metalcore about it.

I think you're definition of metalcore is kind of blurred. Listen to Avenged Sevenfold's Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. I personally think that album did a great job of mixing Hardcore Punk with metal style very well.

Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.[/QUOTE]

Yep, skip my post and read this one.

Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.[/QUOTE]

Or Pull Harder, When All Light Dies, and Pillars of Serpents.

The melodic death metal influence is really prominent on Requiem, Like Light To Flies, When All Light Dies, and Suffocating Sight.

^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".

[QUOTE=SimonCore]^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Departure has some pretty strong melodeath influence, mostly all of it's the Gothenburg style though, so it's not full-fledged melodeath, it's kind of power metal and goth metal influenced too. I've never heard that other song, so I can't be sure, I only have Ember To Inferno and Ascendancy.

It is an amazing song. Seriously download it.

I will right now.

I'm really into Ember and Inferno now it's grown on me alot. The self title track is possibly the best. And Requiem and Burn the eye follow.

Off of Ember To Inferno, I'm gonna go with When All Light Dies and Ember To Inferno.

I really want trivium to reinvent them selves but more along the lines of ETI than ascendancy

^ the albums aren't really that different. The only difference is that the choruses in some songs are more tuneful.

when all light dies kicks a*s, and personally EtE and Asc. may as well be one big album. i like the songs from either album equally and used to get mixed up as to which are on which, except, of course, Rain, PHOTSOYM and GTTHOT, which everyone knows are on Asc.

I have no preferences with Trivium. any song, any day. except....(you all know what) -DIYA. that is a dip in their godliness; otherwise i'm happy with any song any time.

Tbh there's no band really that i can listen to all the time. Sometimes i just can't be arsed at all for heavy music.

[QUOTE=enter natman]they're officially metalcore, but they're at the far-metal end of the, shall we say, metalcore spectrum. what i'm saying is that they should convert wholly to metal and lose the hardcore hintage. i said before that i hope that they dont take the unfortunate success of DIYA too seriously.[/QUOTE]


Where is it stated that they're officially metalcore ?

I'd say they're more melodic thrash, far to fast with not enough groove riffs to be metalcore...

Oficially huh. Wheres the certificate of authentication? hmm?

But they are metal core to me.

[QUOTE=mr black]Where is it stated that they're officially metalcore ?

I'd say they're more [B]melodic thrash[/B], far to fast with not enough groove riffs to be metalcore...[/QUOTE]

That's a much more accurate than metalcore, I think.

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Tbh there's no band really that i can listen to all the time. Sometimes i just can't be arsed at all for heavy music.[/QUOTE]
i didnt mean i listen to them all the time, i meant that when i want to listen to trivium, i don't care what song it is, as IMO they are all equally great. so long as it isn't DIYA.

[QUOTE=enter natman]i didnt mean i listen to them all the time, i meant that when i want to listen to trivium, i don't care what song it is, as IMO they are all equally great. so long as it isn't DIYA.[/QUOTE]

Oh alright. DIYA is a good song it just got boring really quickly.

-and its emo.

is it washing away me in the tides or washing me away in the tides? i got it off limewire because its only on the expensive japan CD, i think someone named it wrong, because "washing away me" sounds wrong.

[QUOTE=enter natman]-and its [B]emo[/B].

is it washing away me in the tides or washing me away in the tides? i got it off limewire because its only on the expensive japan CD, i think someone named it wrong, because "washing away me" sounds wrong.[/QUOTE]

You should read up on that before you go throwin' that word around.