[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]I DON'T KNOW YOUR WRITING!!

Please. Enlighten me.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327808[/url]
The most recent decent piece of writing I've posted here.

Holy drugadict walrus!

How did you manage to get so many good crits back there! And in just three days! I battle and struggle big time to get like, 8 critiques in a period of one week...

By the way, good songwriting over there. :thumb: I'd make soemthing more elaborate... but it's too old. I'll give you something thorough when you post a new one, ok? :D

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Holy drugadict walrus!

How did you manage to get so many good crits back there! And in just three days! I battle and struggle big time to get like, 8 critiques in a period of one week...

By the way, good songwriting over there. :thumb: I'd make soemthing more elaborate... but it's too old. I'll give you something thorough when you post a new one, ok? :D[/QUOTE]
Because it was six months ago when S&L was better :-\

Thanks, I wasn't expecting a crit haha. If I get something new up though I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Because it was six months ago when S&L was better :-\

Thanks, I wasn't expecting a crit haha. If I get something new up though I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it was much better...

6 months ago S&L was in the middle of a seemingly irreversible downward spiral. It's actually improved from that point, but it isn't even as good as it was a year ago now, and things were pretty desperate then. :\

You'd think writing would improve over time.

edit: haha, having Dan post in here was good times though. Even if it was only in one thread.

Yeah, ever since I've been here, S&L was never very strong. This seems like the best of times actually. Some of the new posters are making some good stuff.

[QUOTE=Mighty Morphin Power Ranger]That's cool about the recording gear. I'd like to hear some of your things as well.[/QUOTE]

I should be putting something on Purevolume in the near future, just got to stop sucking at singing first.

I just pop in and out of S&L now, so i can't really comment. I have noticed a lot of good writers that are new to the forum and i've recieved some decent crits.

[QUOTE=Mighty Morphin Power Ranger]Yeah, ever since I've been here, S&L was never very strong. This seems like the best of times actually. Some of the new posters are making some good stuff.[/QUOTE]
S&L hasn't been strong since I started posting here.

LC has always been king, however.

However, compared to the other forums this topic is something that a lot of people will find to be more personal and less willing to post on the internet. It's a lot easier to talk about what music you like than show your own work to other people, imo.

I think the big problem is that no one likes critting. Hell, I admit that I don't really like critting (mainly because I don't like just about any of the songs I see here). So we get a bunch of noobs posting one song and no one doing anything productive.

It helps that we're beginning to get a core group here that can at least crit each other, and grow as a group. I'm going to try and get better about critting more people and give more suggestions.

it's frustrating as well, when you give a well-meaning, although not overly positive critique, there are users out there that go nuts and try to flame you all night. Whilst it's good fun to break out the flaming dictionary every once in a while, it quickly gets tiring.

I keep meaning to critique, but I end up forgetting, and can only just manage to return the ones I get, which is shocking really.

I critique everyone, except lately the obviously car-crashing mentally disabled songs, that I have no clue where to start...

And the ones that are too long. And the ones that are too deep. And the ones that are too shallow and the ones that make me think.

It's quickly becoming apparent that I put far too much effort into my critiques. I'll have to fix this right away. :D

[QUOTE=slackjaw]It's quickly becoming apparent that I put far too much effort into my critiques. I'll have to fix this right away. :D[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as too much effort into crits. Just make sure you're giving them to the sort of people who will repay you in kind and you won't be wasting your time.

Plus, a great way to improve your writing is by breaking down other people's. You'll be able to point out your own flaws better.

I agree that there is no 'too much effort to critiqueing' point, but with me, critiqueing others works is hard because I feel like I'll be too nitpicky if I actually put effort in, probably the main reason I'm never here anymore.

My new mouse is a lot more useful than any critique I've ever received.
I can squeeze the sides and open iTunes.

I make critiques.

And I make circuits.

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]My new mouse is a lot more useful than any critique I've ever received.
I can squeeze the sides and open iTunes.[/QUOTE]
I can squeeze my girlfriend and she opens something way better than iTunes. :naughty:

Oh, you want to play the girlfriend game. Matt, why do you need to be that guy? I have a girlfriend, but you just have to be that guy don't you? Matt, don't be that guy.

AN S&L suggestion:

So guys, what do you think if we make a monthly voting for the best song/poem that's been written here? How could would that be!

*steals other forums ideas lol*

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]AN S&L suggestion:

So guys, what do you think if we make a monthly voting for the best song/poem that's been written here? How could would that be!

*steals other forums ideas lol*[/QUOTE]
It has been tried and failed in the past.

On the other hand, having an S&Ler of the month might be cool. Someone judged not only on their songs, but also their critting and such as well?

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]AN S&L suggestion:

So guys, what do you think if we make a monthly voting for the best song/poem that's been written here? How could would that be!

*steals other forums ideas lol*[/QUOTE]

What do you reckon the LC's are for?

Yeah but I have original material for each category. I leave the best for S&L, leftovers and B-sides for LC. I have big trouble with that.

We could have an S&Ler of the month, though. Don't make a thread about it, just some... uh... announcement. Or a thread, but Burt might not like it.

I like S&Ler OTM idea.

Another cool idea would be to have a topic challenge. I know the LC has to use a word, but perhaps we could implement a topic challenge as well. Like choose a word issue or something and write a song about it. It would be cool. Maybe even have to do a little research to learn about the topic at hand, get some learning in aswell. Just a crazy idea.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Yeah but I have original material for each category. I leave the best for S&L, leftovers and B-sides for LC. I have big trouble with that.

We could have an S&Ler of the month, though. Don't make a thread about it, just some... uh... announcement. Or a thread, but Burt might not like it.[/QUOTE]
I think we can just wait for Burt's approval in here, then I can run it if no one else wants to. I run it in R&M and Pop-Punk so I have a good handle on how it goes down :)

S&L'er of the month would be a great idea, and a good incentive as well. If it helps maintain the participation of the good critters and writers, that's great, and if it produces better S&L'ers in general, that would make life so very wonderful.

[QUOTE]painful writing, trust me
[/QUOTE]

^^ This is why I don't write anymore.

I try to write a song and I come out with third-rate God knows what.

I miss being part of this community. :(

[QUOTE=Mighty Morphin Power Ranger]It helps that we're beginning to get a core group here that can at least crit each other, and grow as a group.[/QUOTE]

The only problem with that is unless you get some really honest people, there's going to be some as[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE] licking going on.

I agree about S&Ler of the month being a good idea, might give people* more enthusiasm for doing crits.



*glory seekers**


**me

Yeah, I did a couple of 'song of the month' threads a while back... the problem with that is that it's no fun trawling through a month's worth of crud to find a few diamonds... you get so sick of seeing the same song over and over it's unbelievable.

But an S&Ler of the month could work...