[QUOTE=ace76543;16367796]that was a bad comparison.

take people who have never smoked pot before because the news tells them it's really really bad. they've heard both sides, but they choose to disregard the fact that pot isn't THAT bad for you just because society tells them to. inhaling half a gram of a plant and taking someone's life are two COMPLETELY different things[/QUOTE]
take people who have smoked pot because their peers do it and tell them it's really really good. they've heard both sides but they choose to believe pot isn't THAT bad for you because their friends tell them to. inhaling a plant and being closed minded are two COMPLETELY different things.

Shure PG Drum mic package (3 Tom mics, Kick mic), Shure SM57 for Snare (Use it for Vocals live), AKG Perception 200 Condenser mic. I run it all into a Yamaha PA mixer (not supposed to really be used for recording) then run it into my computer (Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro). This is how I recorded my album as well.

Edit: Off to work! Be back tonight.

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16367801]take people who have smoked pot because their peers do it and tell them it's really really good. they've heard both sides but they choose to believe pot isn't THAT bad for you because their friends tell them to. inhaling a plant and being closed minded are two COMPLETELY different things.[/QUOTE]

you missed my point entirely

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367843]you missed my point entirely[/QUOTE]
please explain your point.

i'm not trying to troll you. i actually am trying to see the issue from both sides, but i don't want to keep misunderstanding your posts. so please, make your case.

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367796]that was a bad comparison.

take people who have never smoked pot before because the news tells them it's really really bad. they've heard both sides, but they choose to disregard the fact that pot isn't THAT bad for you just because society tells them to. inhaling half a gram of a plant and taking someone's life are two COMPLETELY different things[/QUOTE]

Yeah how dare they not see it your way! Everyone should smoke pot because if it's not THAT bad for you, it must be harmless. Right?

basically, no matter what your stance is, pro or against, if you believe so strongly in your stance that you shun the other side completely you are a ****ing idiot

[QUOTE=Vannaroth;16367885]Yeah how dare they not see it your way! Everyone should smoke pot because if it's not terrible for you, it must be harmless. Right?[/QUOTE]

way to fail bud

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um i think so.

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367887]basically, no matter what your stance is, pro or against, if you believe so strongly in your stance that you shun the other side completely you are a ****ing idiot



way to fail bud[/QUOTE]
i have had 3 close friends die from drug use, plus everyone else around me (i deal with this stuff for a living) who's relationships with everyone around them have been torn apart as a direct result of drug use. this makes me a ****ing idiot for taking a decently strong stance in advocating drug-free lives, and pointing out people's own failures to take responsibility and make decisions for themselves?

sry i didn't realize that thanks for showing me the light.

was it use or abuse?

theres a difference.

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16367929]i have had 3 close friends die from drug use. this makes me a ****ing idiot for taking a decently strong stance in advocating drug-free lives, and pointing out people's own failures to take responsibility and make decisions for themselves?

sry i didn't realize that thanks for showing me the light.[/QUOTE]

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no. if you don't get it just..i don't feel like explaining myself.

this convo is making captain straight edge very confused.

for the most part, obviously abuse.

but let's see. which of these two options is more likely to lead to abuse?
a) advocating drug-free lives, or
b) fuk ya smoking pot is fun and not that bad for you and if you have a stance against it you're an idiot

being proactive > being reactive



btw, i'd like to hear what your explanation of the line between use and abuse is, johnny. i mean, that must be engrained in british culture, too, right?

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367887]
way to fail bud[/QUOTE]

Heh, you've made an argument nobody seems to understand, and that you yourself can't even explain or justify. Bit of a blunder, really.

Damn why is it so hard for companies to email back?

I emailed Viper custom drums like 2 days ago askin for a quick quote n they still aint replied

[B]FROM NOW ON, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD WRITE AN ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS:
[/B]1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?

2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.

3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?

4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?

my answers coming up...

1) Yes, as i feel it is someones own choice to do what they want with their bodies. however, if it gets to the point where their use is affecting other people, then it may be time to draw a line.

2) Yes their is. i would define this in a way of social acceptability. for example, going out of an evening and doing pills or coke, or getting high, with your group of mates, i feel is fine.
However, if you cannot get through a day without drugs, and have to have a spliff as you wake up, then i call that abuse.


3) this is actually very hard to judge, and i feel a bit annoyed i wrote it now...
However... i think this depends on the substance. highly addictive drugs like heroin, with a high dependency, i would judge as worse than drinking and smoking.
however, cannabis makes you far less violent than alcohol, in my experience. medically, i am unsure however.

4) As it harms no-one else, i wouldnt punish them. maybe if i felt they were harming themselves i may confiscate it.

[quote=Berk;16367953]this convo is making captain straight edge very confused.[/quote]

Quick lesson: There's no such thing as Straight Edge.
Ian Mackaye saw people messing up their lives by drinking, taking drugs and getting into fights (most of the time becuase their friends were doing it) and decided against it - he did his own thing. He went "straight" and he believed in doing so he had an "edge" on the people still drinking and fighting. Then sometime, he coined a phrase to describe his own lifestyle choices and actions; "Straight Edge".


Straight Edge is not a following, a group or little club. It's nothing more than words given to name the way Ian chose to live his life. The lifestyle itself is much deeper than the name and you're completely missing the point by saying you're Straight Edge. In order to be what is now regarded as "straight edge", you don't actually acknowledge the fact that you are as it makes the whole point void.

1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?
No.

Recreational drug use is done primarily by youth (by definition here youth is 12-25) who rarely take a step back to look at every effect it has on themselves and those around them, rarely research the drug they are taking (including who the dealer is, what other drugs the dealer has (motivation/ease to lace the drugs), who supplied it to the dealer, etc), and their reasons for using are generally very weak and rarely thought out, mainly being done by direct or indirect peer pressure, and a feeling of needing to rebel.

2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.
Yes. This line is very vague, though. According to the multiple courses I've taken on drug use (yes, I've actually taken courses), the difference is that with use, the viewed "positives" outweigh the viewed "negatives". Misuse is when both are around equal, and abuse is when the negatives start to take over. But as I explained earlier, the people taking these drugs nearly always have a different view than those around them, and they rarely take a step back to view the true effects. An alcoholic drinks, he is not addicted. A heroin junkie shoots up, he is not dependant on it. etc.

3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?
To group all illegal drugs into one category is quite a naive thing to do. Clearly some illegal drugs are more dangerous than others.

Believe it or not, the pot you buy on the street is generally not the same stuff that pro-marijuana studies show is "safe". There is so much lacing going on it's insane.

And the thing about illegal drugs is that you will NEVER get the exact same thing twice. There's always variation. And variation when it comes to illegal drugs is generally more unsafe than safe.

That being said, alcohol and tobacco are definately more widely used than illegal drugs, and I personally don't support either.

4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?
First of all, I'm not in a position to punish anyone. In the hypothetical situation where no direct harm is caused to yourself (physical health risks, increased tolerance, overdosing, mixing drugs, legal risks, physical/psychological dependance) or others (relationship damage to due using drugs alone in your home and ignoring those around you), then I suppose it's the same as staying home to read a book or play video games. But come one, seriously, it's obviously not the same. I can't answer this question.


btw, this is a helpful little checklist from one of my pamphlets:

Be honest with yourself and reflect on how your drug use may be affecting your life. The following are signs that may indicate you have a drug problem:

* Your drug use has increased since you first started using.
* You are using illegal drugs or having the same drug prescribed by more than one doctor.
* You need to take drugs to help you through new situations or social occasions.
* You can't remember things you have said or done while using drugs.
* You spend more and more time with people that use drugs.
* You cover up or lie about your drug use.
* You have problems or miss time at work or school because of your drug use.
* You have relationship problems with your spouse/children/parents because of your drug use.
* You only go to parties or places where drugs are available.
* Your drug use is causing financial problems.
* You have legal problems because of your drug use.
* You have hurt yourself or someone else while under the influence of drugs.
* You have tried to cut down or stop taking drugs but couldn't.
* You have increased risk-taking behavior (e.g. sharing needles, having unprotected sex).
* You break promises to others because of your drug use.
* Someone has told you they are concerned about your drug use.

If you agreed with any of these statements your drug use is likely causing problems in your life. The more you checked off, the more serious your drug problem may be.


/my longest post in 4 years i think

[quote=BummerJonny;16367974]1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?[/quote]
I'm undecided. There are various pros and cons to it.

[quote]2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.[/quote]
Yes

I'd say "use of drugs" is the act of taking them. "Abuse of drugs" is to use them wrongly, however that may be. One point I might make is that by that definition, abuse of drugs comes from use of drugs.

[quote]3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?[/quote]Thing is with legal substances such as drink is that they are readily available. It's part of the British culture to go out and drink alcohol. People barely even give it a second thought. I'd be willing to bet that more people die of drink related problems than illegal drug problems. Then again, you might say it's not a fair test.....if heroine was as readily available as a pint of Carlsberg then the results may be quite different.

Normally, I think that people can do whatever the hell they want to their bodies, as long as it doesn't affect other people (i.e, starting fights in clubs, stealing to feed an addiction) so I don't really care but then there are the friends and families who can get affected too. I don't think you can take drugs without affecting someone other than yourself.


[quote]4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?[/quote]

Do people need punishing? Maybe help might be a better option.



Sorry, rambling about nothing. Fun questions though - reminds me of school again :)

thanks WAR, after reading your answers i realised 4 was a bit wrongly worded,

i meant anyone but yourself :)

my bad

also, if i may pose a 5th Question:


5) Would Legalisation of a drug such as cannabis be a good thing, for the reason that strength and purity would be controlled?

1. I believe you have the right to make that choice. However, I personally think it's completely asinine.

2. If the drug in question is not for medical use, then it's abuse. You have no reason to be using it, you're gaining nothing from it, and you're killing off a few of your brain cells in the process.

3. Well, apart from the chance that you'll be arrested with pockets full of hash, not really. All drugs, legal or not, affect your physical and mental state, and just because something is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

4. I wouldn't. As I said, you have all the right in the world to f[B]u[/B]ck yourself up.

Of course, this isn't the problem. The problem lies with the dolts who are f[B]u[/B]cked up in public and impede on other people's rights because of it. When you're high, you don't think rationally, and you can make absolutely ludicrous decisions that deeply affect other people, and you don't have that right.

The general consensus among my peers that driving while high is not as bad while driving drunk is a stunning example of drug-induced stupidity.

[QUOTE=BummerJonny;16368067]5) Would Legalisation of a drug such as cannabis be a good thing, for the reason that strength and purity would be controlled?[/QUOTE]
i used to be 50/50 on this and then i asked myself why it needs to be used recreationally in the first place. do i think it would be a safer product if it was regulated? yes. but i already don't support recreational use of legal drugs.

i think legalization would just lead to increased use, which only positively affects the health side of the negative effects, and would negatively affect every other aspect of use.


anyways, off to work now. 2 people just called at the last minute to say they're not coming in. so our staff went down from 4 to 2. :( i hope it's not horrible tonight.

[QUOTE] The most important usage of drugs would be for third eye purposes. Not to get wasted or as escapism, but for discovery. This must be encouraged, as well as responsible taking within this[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]I think it’s important to distinguish between the different types of drug use that arise. I think you can break drug use into 4 distinct categories:

• Experimentation
• Recreational
• Addiction
• Spiritual/Conscious Exploration

Experimentation:

This would be an instance where a person is curious of the effects of a particular substance. I don’t believe that there is anything wrong with experimental use, but unfortunately this is where everyone starts, and I would imagine for the majority, this type of drug use will always lead to another distinction.

Experimentation (if it stays that way) can simply be seen as a life experience. A person may want to travel the world, jump out of a plane, or undertake a psychedelic experience.

If experimentation is all the user is interested in, I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with this categorization (putting any criminal elements or law breaking aside).

Recreational:

This distinction would probably come after some enjoyable experimentation experiences.

Fortunately or unfortunately particular drugs stimulate the emotions, body & senses and clearly make people feel good. A recreational user would probably enjoy using drugs in particular social situations, clubs, parties, big nights out could all provide appropriate settings for the recreational user, but the distinction here is occasional use.

If something makes you feel good surely you would want to have a repeat experience?
This is where the line is drawn thinly between ‘Recreational’ and ‘Addiction’.

Addiction:

Again following on from ‘Experimental’ to ‘Recreational’ we come to ‘Addiction’.
This would be where the drug has a hold on the user rather than the other way round. Some people may feel that they need to take a drug just to cope with normal life.

To be a recreational drug user takes a strong mind and a strong will power.
To experience an enjoyable sensation, but know where to draw the line is takes I think, a reasonably strong minded person.

However if you do not have the will power, strong mindedness, or have had a rough up bringing, experienced a big loss or had a major life trauma....recreational use can turn into addiction.

This is the type of drug use that really is bad.

Im not sure if it’s ‘morally’ wrong as the title suggests.....when I was thinking of a title to this post 'morally wrong' was the first thing that sprang to mind, but this type of drug use is wrong on many levels.

Worst case scenario - you can die. You will loose all your friends, probably loose any career prospects and probably need a good deal of mental rehabilitation to pull yourself out of the turmoil.

I think we can probably all agree, putting aside any criminal elements or broken laws, that this type of drug use is by far the worst.

We can debate more on weather ‘Experimental’ or ‘Recreational’ use is wrong in any way, but by comparison I would say that both are just normal undertakings as part of the inquisitive nature of humans.

Spiritual/Conscious Exploration

This type of drug use is probably the least practiced and least understood method for using drugs, and as you may have gathered from other posts, is the type that intrigues and interests me the most.

Shamanism would certainly come under this umbrella, and there are also a number of churches that crop up here and there that manage to include many Entheogens into there practices and somehow managed to get the law waved at there use.

To define an Entheogen would be (there is nothing wrong with Wikipedia):

A psychoactive substance used in a religious or shamanic context. Entheogens generally come from plant sources which contain molecules closely related to endogenous neuro-chemicals. They occur in a wide variety of sacraments of various religious rites and have been shown to directly provoke what users perceive as spiritual/mystical experiences.

There is an abundance of literature on this type of drug use which is best saved for another topic, but believe me - it’s very fascinating.

This type of conscious exploration is certainly not wrong in any way, and in stark contrast, I believe this type of drug use is very right indeed. Im not even talking from personal experience here, just going on the many books I’ve read on the topic.

It’s just a shame most people seem to abuse these plant substances rather than use them as the tools that they may be…

To close, the 4 distinctions mentioned above are the only 4 ways I can think to classify drug use. I think it’s still a good solid topic for debate, but to bundle the different varieties of drug use into one term and make a judgment on that alone is wrong.[/QUOTE]

for anyone interested.

K, I don't feel like answering the questions, but here's my view on MJ.


I started smoking around the start of 10th grade. It didn't take long at all until I smoked everyday (never during school though). With a bag of weed sitting on my room, it was hard to resist. I saw no negatives, and could get away with it. And of course, I enjoyed it.

That lasted a about a year, and then I slowed down (mostly due to money). Soon, I was down to smoking once every 2-3 months, and then by the end of 11th grade I was sober. During all that time, I didn't really see any negatives, etc.

Then I spent about 6 months sober. And I realized how nice it was to be sober. I also just felt "clean." Can't really explain it, but it was nice.

Now, go back about two months from now, and I started smoking again. I bought some weed, and ended up smoking about every day all through April. Again, I had a bag of weed sitting in my room, it was hard to resist... for the first week, I had a love/hate relationship. I love the stuff, but I no longer had that "clean" feeling I had when sober. It was weird. After that first week though, I didn't care. It wasn't till I was all out of weed that I said, "oh, oops."


Point being, although marijuana isn't physically addictive, I personally do get a strong attachment to it, and I know many others do too. It's just a very enjoyable drug. Easy to quit, but since it's easy to obtain and there aren't many obvious side effects, most people don't quit. Hell, if I didn't need piss tests for my job, I'd probably be stoned right now. So as much as I love the stuff, I think it's best I stay away. For now, anyway.

And a side note, while I was smoking marijuana, I experiemented with several other drugs as well (pain killers, cough medicine, concerta, etc). And usually, that would happened 1 or 2 days after I'd run out of the green.

timsays hi

whats that green **** called you get on your cymbals after awhile caause theyre old?

tarnish/oxidation

pictures of my work, because i was bored today and took them.
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[QUOTE=Berk;16368618]whats that green **** called you get on your cymbals after awhile caause theyre old?[/QUOTE]

Patina.

Looks coo WAR. Looks like a cleaner tidier version of a cafe in my town that does gigs n stuff

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16368908]pictures of my work, because i was bored today and took them.[/QUOTE]

that looks awesome. what do you do?

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=RwwYzW7TUv0&feature=related[/url]

I'm so attracted to her...oh my god.

She's a crazy b[B]i[/B]tch but she's f[B]u[/B]cking gorgeous. =/

****, I cracked my 20 in Dream Crash/Ride.
Thank god for the Guitar Center Memorial Day Sale tomorrow :D

Sucks man

[quote=ludvista29;16370280]****, I cracked my 20 in Dream Crash/Ride.
Thank god for the Guitar Center Memorial Day Sale tomorrow :D[/quote]

Any awesome deals in specific or is everything even more on sale?

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16368908]
and my office.
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so is that where you cyber with me all the time?

[QUOTE=fishbulb;16370329]Any awesome deals in specific or is everything even more on sale?[/QUOTE]
Well they dont release any details of whats on sale. You have to go and check it out.

You any ideas wat ur gonna get?

I'm thinking of The 22/24 K Light Ride, Really any thin ride or crash. Preferably 19 and up.

Cool