I dont know much about doom so I'd like someone to explain me the doom sub-genres and give me band examples. After some research I've found out about "funeral", "traditional" and "epic" doom...details, help anyone?

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are esoteric considered funeral doom?

Thanks steerpike.

[QUOTE=MetalFan]I dont know much about doom so I'd like someone to explain me the doom sub-genres and give me band examples. After some research I've found out about "funeral", "traditional" and "epic" doom...details, help anyone?

EDIT:
are esoteric considered funeral doom?[/QUOTE]

There was a "doom" thread a while back, you can search for that.

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oh, I havent come here for a week now I think...Thank you I'll check it out right now :)

I think this needs to be added.

Alternative-Metal:

Alternative-Metal is basically just Alternative music, but with certain aspects of metal. The bands usually have "sad" lyrics and dwell on their past's and their music is usually very primal, but melodic. Bands [B]I[/B] would consider to be Alt-Metal would be: Adema, Korn (other than Untouchables, cause that can't have a genre, there is nu-Metal, Indusrial, Emo, and Alt-Metal on it), TRUSTcompany, Simplistic., Taproot (new stuff isn't nu-Metal), Rayne, and Juice. Some of the band's I listed have been called nu-Metal, but they fit more into this category. Also some Alt-Metal bands don't have very melodic music (Rayne), but they do have most of those aspects.

[url]http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Alternative%20metal[/url]

King Of Dudes, you don't know everything

haha I bet I get flamed soon

[QUOTE=evilmenhavenosongs]Are you saying that people arguing about genres has gone on too long because, try as I might, I can't decipher your post.[/QUOTE]

Right you are, my young patawa.

Alternative Metal is just a BS genre that radio stations and record labels create when a band doesnt fit in with hip hop, oldies, rap, hard rock, etc. By their definition a band like metallica are alternative(they have even been nominated for an alternative award before).

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Alternative Metal is just a BS genre that radio stations and record labels create when a band doesnt fit in with hip hop, oldies, rap, hard rock, etc.[/QUOTE]

and nu-metal, and emocore, and metalcore and all that **** is stuff that bratty little kids like to call their music.

look, if the websites that stream music and the radio stations and record labels and the bands out there make a genre, it's probably a more accurate genre that actually exists. You really think that all you people know more about music than the record labels?

also ALTERNATIVE-METAL IS A GENRE, **** it, look up adema on music match, or wmp, or winamp, it won't have any "core" genres or "nu-Metal" it will have an actual genre, not a style of that genre.

[QUOTE]You really think that all you people know more about music than the record labels?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I dont expect money making execs to know what the hell they are talking about, especially with metal. Alternative metal is not a genre. Like I said it is pretty much a misc. garbage bin for genres that dont fit in the basic mainstream ones.

Adema is numetal
Korn is numetal
Taproot is numetal

Let me check Metal-archives.com(A Trustworthy site) for alternative metal.

Black ~ Death ~ Doom ~ Electronic ~ Folk/Viking ~ Gothic ~ Heavy/Traditional ~ Orchestral/Symphonic ~ Power ~ Progressive ~ Speed/Thrash

Nope, no alternative.

Bottom line, it is Bull crap.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Yes, I dont expect money making execs to know what the hell they are talking about, especially with metal. Alternative metal is not a genre. Like I said it is pretty much a misc. garbage bin for genres that dont fit in the basic mainstream ones.

Adema is numetal
Korn is numetal
Taproot is numetal

Let me check Metal-archives.com(A Trustworthy site) for alternative metal.

Black ~ Death ~ Doom ~ Electronic ~ Folk/Viking ~ Gothic ~ Heavy/Traditional ~ Orchestral/Symphonic ~ Power ~ Progressive ~ Speed/Thrash

Nope, no alternative.

Bottom line, it is Bull crap.[/QUOTE]

dude, that website was probably made by people like the people who post on this website. ONCE MORE, YOU DON'T KNOW MUSIC BETTER THAN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

don't even say Adema is nu-Metal, I bet you;ve never even heard them, Korn is not nu-Metal, they have a FEW nu-Metal songs, Taproot isn't nu-Metal anymore.

Alternative-Metal is a genre, once more, check out websites that STREAM MUSIC, that were made by THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]don't even say Adema is nu-Metal, I bet you;ve never even heard them, Korn is not nu-Metal, they have a FEW nu-Metal songs, Taproot isn't nu-Metal anymore.

Alternative-Metal is a genre, once more, check out websites that STREAM MUSIC, that were made by THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.[/QUOTE]

I have heard many songs by them, my brother had the CD, and my friend played them on his radio station all the time. I also have Taproots 2nd CD and heard much of their first. Korn pretty much created Numetal. Get out of your denial.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS COMPLETE BULL SH[COLOR=White]I[/COLOR]T, I and many people choose to disagree with it because they dont know jack squat about metal. Can you even make an argument besides "uhh welll the record companies say that so im gonna be a dumb tool and believe it"?

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I have heard many songs by them, my brother had the CD, and my friend played them on his radio station all the time. I also have Taproots 2nd CD and heard much of their first. Korn pretty much created Numetal. Get out of your denial.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS COMPLETE BULL SH[COLOR=White]I[/COLOR]T, I and many people choose to disagree with it because they dont know jack squat about metal. Can you even make an argument besides "uhh welll the record companies say that so im gonna be a dumb tool and believe it"?[/QUOTE]

your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"[/QUOTE]

Since you didnt even bother answering me, I am guessing it is true that you are gonna follow the record industries words without questioning them. You would make a perfect "Yes Man".

Like I said, I know better than a bunch of rich executives who dont even listen to metal.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Since you didnt even bother answering me, I am guessing it is true that you are gonna follow the record industries words without questioning them. You would make a perfect "Yes Man".

Like I said, I know better than a bunch of rich executives who dont even listen to metal.[/QUOTE]

go on to any search engine and type alternative-metal. then tell me it's a fake genre.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]go on to any search engine and type alternative-metal. then tell me it's a fake genre.[/QUOTE]

I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.

one word describes you:

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[QUOTE=kornedbeef]your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"[/QUOTE]

You're something else, man. How many posts does King have?

Maybe you've become accustomed to the faulty terms used everywhere. Just cause it's used, doesn't make it correct. :thumb:

King knows his fair share of music, for sure. :naughty:

Buddy, just hang on for a year longer and find out for yourself. :thumb:








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[QUOTE=extreme_191]You're something else, man. How many posts does King have?

Maybe you've become accustomed to the faulty terms used everywhere. Just cause it's used, doesn't make it correct. :thumb:

King knows his fair share of music, for sure. :naughty:

Buddy, just hang on for a year longer and find out for yourself. :thumb:








:smoke:[/QUOTE]

Thank you :thumb:

My basic argument against his:


These record companies, dont care about the music, they dont care about metal, they dont listen to metal, they only care about the money so they just throw on some quick label. A website like metal-archives.com is a website made by metalheads, for metalheads, and they dont get paid to do it. I think a website with people who actually care about metal has more legitimacy pointing out metal genres than some greedy record company.

Money makes the world go round.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]dude, that website was probably made by people like the people who post on this website. ONCE MORE, YOU DON'T KNOW MUSIC BETTER THAN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.[/QUOTE]

Dude, let me tell you what the music industry knows about music.

1. They know what hook will make a good radio single.
2. They know how to find the "money note."

That's about it. The execs know jack **** about playing an instrument, musical theory, artistic integrity, or anything overall about being a musician. They only know what sells. I suggest you take a lesson in mass communication and learn how modern corporations in the recording industry function.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Don't bitch about the music industry, it works and nobody has corrected it. None of your hero's seem to give a ****. C'mon, if people with money stood up and decided to do it themselves it would change. But since nobody has done this, this proves you wrong..

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.[/QUOTE]

:lol: best analogy I've heard in a while.

Kornguy, what you are saying, or what it sounds like to me is that you don't want there be a "nu-metal" genre. You just want the name to be changed to alternative metal. Nu and alternative are sort of interchangable prefixes for the genres of metal.

[QUOTE=procreationb]Don't bitch about the music industry, it works and nobody has corrected it.[/quote]

Take a class in mass media, dude. The recording industry works... at making money! It's a business that sells art, it is not an art itself... God, that sounded so pretentious. But, in literal terms, music is an artform and business is not because it doesn't create things of aesthetic value, it exists to acquire money.

[quote]None of your hero's seem to give a ****. C'mon, if people with money stood up and decided to do it themselves it would change. But since nobody has done this, this proves you wrong..[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about?

Edguy's Hellfire Club is metal or power metal?

Cheers man!
Being new to metal I didn't know any of these.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]:lol: best analogy I've heard in a while.

Kornguy, what you are saying, or what it sounds like to me is that you don't want there be a "nu-metal" genre. You just want the name to be changed to alternative metal. Nu and alternative are sort of interchangable prefixes for the genres of metal.[/QUOTE]

its not the same **** thing, they are two established genres and people on this forum don't realize that nu-metal is RAP METAL. that's why I say new taproot is alternative-metal. their old stuff is RAP METAL. Alternative Metal is completely different. and half those bands I listed sound nothing like nu-Metal. they are not interchangable prefix #1 and #2 some of the bands sound nothing like nu-metal. the main point i made was that most alternative metal is melodic, which is the major difference, and alt metal bands dont rap. some alt metal bands arent extremely melodic, but they are still melodic
(IE The Melvins, Korn, Rayne). they are different genres and nobody seems to realize it on this forum cause they don't listen to either of them.

Nu-metal doesn't have to have rap in it as an element. Alt. metal is just another name for nu-metal which came about because of the negative connotations attached to nu-metal. I garuntee that numerous websites on the internet will list the same bands as both Nu and Alt. metal.