I think its time for Opeth to make a really dark cd. More so than My Arms Your Hearse. Just a thought. I know what i'm trying to say but its hard to explain.

Like recorded in the dark?

:p
Nah, I agree.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Like recorded in the dark?

:p
Nah, I agree.[/QUOTE]


Lol no, but you know, some music that just pushes they're extremes even further.

I think Mikael wanted Ghost Reveries to be a really dark album, and I believe he succeeded to some degree... The problem is though, part of what makes some of the earlier Opeth albums so dark and atmospheric, is the fact that the production is so bad/muddy.. And I think Mikael doesn't want to move away from the crystal clear production they've had since blackwater park

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[QUOTE=Knifeboy]I think Mikael wanted Ghost Reveries to be a really dark album, and I believe he succeeded to some degree... The problem is though, part of what makes some of the earlier Opeth albums so dark and atmospheric, is the fact that the production is so bad/muddy.. And I think Mikael doesn't want to move away from the crystal clear production they've had since blackwater park[/QUOTE]

When i listen to Ghost Reveries it comes across to me as more of a happier kind of album. I guess its cause of the great production/bright keyboards.

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]When i listen to Ghost Reveries it comes across to me as more of a happier kind of album. I guess its cause of the great production/bright keyboards.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree.

It's all to do with the production.

I don't think bad production has anything to do with how dark the albums sound. BWP has excellent production and is probably the darkest album (IMO). Morningrise on the other hand has crap production but is the least dark album, atmosphere wise (again, IMO).

I think production does have something to do with darkness. If you'd ask me, I'd say that MAYH is the darkest album, and the production's not tiptop.

As far as evil goes, Morningrise is pretty dark, too. Their older albums had a more sinister feel than their newer releases, but their production has improved immensely. I like both old and new Opeth, and I can't decide which one that I like more.

NP - Opeth - Advent

It is a hard decision. But I kinda like the part where they made the transition from old opeth to new opeth.

Like MAYH. Still Life is awesome as well. It was my least favorite album a month ago:D

I think that MAYH was still old Opeth. They didn't make a real drastic change until Blackwater Park, methinks. And that's my favorite album by them, in case you've missed my constant raving about it before. :thumb:

To those of you who heard the interview posts before, did Mikael say if they were making another DVD or did he not? I can't remember.

IF he was making another DVD, He would have to get the copyrights to the older albums [B]if[/B] he was going to play the older ones.

It'd be pretty weird showcasing just one album in a DVD.


I think there was a change in MAYH, listen to Morningrise and Orchid, Mikael screams. Mikael starts to growl in MAYH and theres less leads as well.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]IF he was making another DVD, He would have to get the copyrights to the older albums [B]if[/B] he was going to play the older ones.

It'd be pretty weird showcasing just one album in a DVD.


I think there was a change in MAYH, listen to Morningrise and Orchid, Mikael screams. Mikael starts to growl in MAYH and theres less leads as well.[/QUOTE]
I bet he'd get the copyrights if he needed to seeing as how he's the principle songwriter for the band.

Sure, there's less leads and the screams have changed, but every band changes over time. The first drastic change was with BWP, with which they had superb production and a new musical style.

[QUOTE=Thor]I think that MAYH was still old Opeth. They didn't make a real drastic change until Blackwater Park, methinks. And that's my favorite album by them, in case you've missed my constant raving about it before. :thumb:
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Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.

I even think there's a fair bit in common between MAYH and Blackwater park, in style.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I dont really see much of a change from SL to BWP as how morningrise went to MAYH.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.

I even think there's a fair bit in common between MAYH and Blackwater park, in style.[/QUOTE]
Deliverance and Damnation doesn't count. :p

I guess you're right about MAYH being the biggest change. It's my least favorite album by them, so I can't say that I listen to it that often.

Shadius = yes.

The biggest drastic changes in Opeth's style were from MR to MAYH - the two albums almost sound like they're by different bands - and from Deliverance to Ghost Reveries. One could say Damnation is a sort of transition between Deliverance and GR. The influence of keyboards was a major stylistic change; the other changes since MAYH had mostly been gradual (unless you count the change from crappy production on Still Life to excellent production on BWP, but aside from that the two albums are nearly the same in terms of musical style).

[QUOTE=Thor]Deliverance and Damnation doesn't count. :p

I guess you're right about MAYH being the biggest change. It's my least favorite album by them, so I can't say that I listen to it that often.[/QUOTE]

Go out, at night, for a walk, and while avoiding getting mugged, play that album.

It really is amazing. I'm not into tons and tons of heavy music like a lot of Opeth fans are, and MAHY still really appeals to me, it has this amazing atmosphere. I just love it.

[QUOTE=Jude]Shadius = yes.

The biggest drastic changes in Opeth's style were from MR to MAYH - the two albums almost sound like they're by different bands - and from Deliverance to Ghost Reveries. One could say Damnation is a sort of transition between Deliverance and GR. The influence of keyboards was a major stylistic change; the other changes since MAYH had mostly been gradual (unless you count the change from crappy production on Still Life to excellent production on BWP, [B]but aside from that the two albums are nearly the same in terms of musical style[/B]).[/QUOTE]

Thats what I thought as well.

<---Doesnt count production quality as a change.

Plus, Steven Wilson made quite an impact on Opeth's style in the more modern days.

While MR and MAYH are different, I wouldn't go so far to say that they sound like they're from different bands. Had I have not heard one of the albums and someone was playing it, I would be able to recognize that it was Opeth.

MR is simply fantastic. I just finished Black Rose Immortal and now To Bid You Farewell just came on, which is one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Also, MAYH had more flow to it than the previous albums.

BRI is amazing, I like the part where he whispers "Black Rose Immortal".

[QUOTE=Thor]While MR and MAYH are different, I wouldn't go so far to say that they sound like they're from different bands. Had I have not heard one of the albums and someone was playing it, I would be able to recognize that it was Opeth.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm.. Even though his growling is much deeper and sounds very different?

And the songs became darker and more chord based and dissonant rather than being melodic. And the fact that guitar harmonies were pretty much dropped entirely? And the song structures being totally different?

The only link in terms of style is possibly Mikaels clean voice being recognised, or the fact that they still use the clean/heavy thing... which, a lot of bands do.

Retrospect is a wonderful thing.

Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just "play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" style of the first two albums.

[QUOTE=Jude]Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just [B]"play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" [/B]style of the first two albums.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.[/QUOTE]

Me too, but some people seem to love it.

Agreed.

np. Into the frost of winter

[QUOTE=Shadius]Me too, but some people seem to love it.[/QUOTE]
Well, I love Morningrise, but it's in spite of that, not because of it.

[QUOTE=Jude]Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just "play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" style of the first two albums.[/QUOTE]
It's true, the original songs didn't have as much structure as the new ones did, but I don't see much of a problem with that. They were younger and not as experienced musicians. They've all become alot better and know much more about how to write a song that would keep a listnener hooked alot more.

New Opeth is alot easier on the ears than the older material was. It's less confusing if you ask me. But don't get me wrong, the older material is still fantastic stuff. They've just gotten better with time.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.[/QUOTE]
I honetsly like that because is keeps the songs fresh, and say alot about their creativity, but all that is just my opinion.