Dissonance =/= pitchiness

[QUOTE=Stormrider331;13448995]I could never really get into that song...not that I listened to it a whole lot, but still. Meh, I should give it a more real listen I guess.[/QUOTE]
You fool! The solos in that song are probably the best ones they've ever done.

Deliverance has some of Mike and Peter's best solos ever. I love the one towards the end of Wreath, where Mikael nearly cuts loose and starts shredding, and then at the end of Deliverance where he solos over that steady, evil palm muted riff.

Yeah just about every solo on that album was great. I'm also quite a big fan of Peter's Deliverance solo. It's really interesting, and overall pretty awesome.

But A Fair Judgement's solos just have so much emotion and passion behind them. It's mind blowing.

Deliverance has some very good solos. But for overall quality of solos on an album nothing beats the ones off of Orchid, possibly because there are some many placed in such perfect spots.

Peter's Deliverance solo just might be my favorite solo to play.

The only solo I can play is the solo to "Johnny B. Goode".

ooooh yyyeaahhhh :cool:

[QUOTE=Thor;13453712]You fool! The solos in that song are probably the best ones they've ever done.[/QUOTE]

Well, you see, I don't remember those solo's. Which proves my point in saying that I've barely listened to that song, heh.

Black Rose Immortal second solo is awsome. That build up to it is really nice aswell.

I can barely remember the BRI solos because that song is the most overrated Opeth song IMO. It is way to long and even though it is chalk full of good riffs after a certain amount of time they all start to blend together. The only song of Morning Rise I really like is Advent.

Advent and BRI are my favorites off the album. I remember BRI for the most, because I learned the song, haha.

Another of the older solo's I really like is the In Mist She Was Standing one.

[QUOTE=Stormrider331;13453834]Advent and BRI are my favorites off the album. I remember BRI for the most, because I learned the song, haha.

Another of the older solo's I really like is the In Mist She Was Standing one.[/QUOTE]

IMSWS has the best Opeth solos, I'm biased though because when it comes ot that song I'm one of the biggest fanboys. When you say you learned BRI did you learn all 20:14 of it?

Yeah, I did. I don't remember everything now though, unfortunately, I havn't played it in a while. Though, I still remember a big part. I think...

If I go back to it now, soem of the riffs would need soem work, heh, because like I said, I havn't played it in a long time.

To me that shows alot of dedication. I would never have the attention span and memory to memorize and play a 20:14 long song. 10 minutes I've done but nothing even close to 20 minutes. Oh well just shows how more focused you are then I am I guess. I learned almost all of IMSWS but never bothered putting it all together. My favourite Opeth song to play is Benighted, short but sweet, although I doubt I can still play it.

I had a lot more dedication in learning songs last summer, then I do now, honestly. Now, it can take forever to sit down and learn a song :(...Like I'll print a tab, and soemtimes I won't even learn it. I'll get it done, but I learn a riff every 2-3 days or so. And soemtiems I'm on fire and learna lot in a day. I need to go back like I was on this last summer heh.

Longest song I know and can still play while remembering everything is 16 minutes.

Opeth acoustics are always fun to play.

I love learning songs.

My favorite song on Morningrise is The Night and The Silent Water.

[QUOTE=pate;13454014]I love learning songs.

My favorite song on Morningrise is The Night and The Silent Water.[/QUOTE]

I don't care much for that song. And I can see why its is Mikeal and Peter's least favourite Opeth song.

TBYF is where its at.

[QUOTE=Apocalypticon;13454098]I don't care much for that song. And I can see why its is Mikeal and Peter's least favourite Opeth song.[/QUOTE]
I <3 that song. I love every song on Morningrise except Black Rose Immortal, which is still a good old Opeth song, just a bit overblown.

i cant stand listening to morningrise anymore :( it makes me feel all miserable

I can stand listening to it, I just don't because it is actually a pretty boring album besides Advent and TBYF.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo;13449285]spiralout7/gmail.com

Thanks in advance. How is it working for you so far?[/QUOTE]

I haven't actually gotten a chance to try it. Been studying for the GRE and working alot, so my life has been reaaallly busy, unfortunately.

Oh, okay. Sorry for your business, I always hate dealing with that. :p

Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?

[QUOTE=Toaster;13442077]I haven't found much Opeth to be jazzy. For Absent Friends is a bit, but nothing else has that sort of feel.. I agree with the folk thing though. Especially the early material.[/QUOTE]

Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.

Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.

But I think Opeth is jazzy. Probably more blues than jazz, but they're closely related.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13455329]Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about triplets? :confused:

You can have a jazzy solo over a death metal song, doesn't make it jazzy.

Who cares about bass anyway?

Face of Melinda is quite jazzy, yes.

How the hell can a song be "modal"?

I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p

[QUOTE=Toaster;13455469]Who said anything about triplets? :confused:
[/quote] I assumed when you were referring to feel.
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Who cares about bass anyway?
[/quote] Anyone with half a brain.

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How the hell can a song be "modal"?
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Have you never heard of Miles Davis? :confused:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_jazz[/url]

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I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say "soft rock." Soft rock has more of a Don Henley kind of connotation to it. :D Damnation is progressive in the sense that Pink Floyd is progressive, but the songwriting and harmonies are also quite advanced in many ways.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen;13455409]Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.
[/QUOTE]

Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.

How about "Moonlapse Vertigo"?

That part from 4:42 to 5:12 seems to be in e minor, but with a D#, A#, and an F thrown in there. Even a G# . So much chromaticism, but I think it sounds good. I don't know why.

The term "modal jazz" is a little misleading. By definition, every song is played in a mode, even if it's just the most basic Ionian.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13455545]Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.[/QUOTE]
It just seemed like pretensious jazz guitarists looking down their noses towards metal once again, to me.

I don't like the idea of calling Damnation "soft rock". It makes it sound like...a soft rock album, which it most certainly isn't.

Why don't we stop arguing about what the album's genre is and just sit back and appreciate the goddamn awesomeness of it?

Damnation = amazing

Soft rock =/= amazing

therefore

Damnation =/= soft rock

A bad generalization I'm sure, but it works for the purpose of this conversation.

Perhaps...

Jazz isn't rooted in triplets my ***. That's one of the bases of the "swing" feel, which apparently I have a major problem with...I can't play straight eights anymore. I swing all of it. :lol:

Pffft, real men play in sixteenth notes. I can play in triplets basically as high as my mentronone allows me, but sixteenth notes take blood, sweat, and testerone.

Once again, for the purpose of this conversation, I have all of those.

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo;13455318]
Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?[/QUOTE]

I have 2/3 of Bleak done.

! I can imagine Bleak being mindshattering, how's it turning out?

Ehh. It needs a lot of work. The way it's ended up, a lot of it is just the original with the instrumentation changed. I did more than that, but it doesn't come out in the sound. Some parts are killer, however.

Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.

well im no flynn but as you like[QUOTE]Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming[/QUOTE]
Deliverence is the way to, and for
[QUOTE]the other end of the spectrum[/QUOTE]
Damnation.

Morningrise is reasonably cool, everyone will agree that To Bid You Farewell is a track you need to get.

oh an Ghost Reveries isn't too shaby neither, newest album, great vocals (growls and cleans) and stuff.

EDIT: **** i forgot about Still Life. get Still Life before GR. infact, don't get GR for a while.

um no just get still life and damnation

[QUOTE=CognitiveVertigo;13461803]Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.[/QUOTE]

Hmm...well if your into psychidelic and prog, I would probably say you should try out Ghost Reveries. Or if you want to try something different, My Arms, Your Hearse:smoke: