I started listening to Pus.hit the other day.............and I thought to myself :"Why O' Why did I only start now??"



That is a great song.
Like every other Tool song.
Any news on a new album?

New album coming out sometime early 2005 i think, i honestly dont know the specific date nor what it shall be called but none the less i can not wait for it to be released and for Tool to start promoting it by way of tours (Especially in Aus)

It shall be very intersting to see the transition in sound of this one compared to lateralus and how it will flow as a whole.

Great thread. A lot of intelligent and provoking thoughts on here, although sometimes shrouded in some amounts of mind numbing comments. However, we are all here to grow so I hold no grudge towards those who still struggle to think.

Just read 'The Da Vinci Code' and as much of a 'mainstream bestseller' of a book as it is, it is a [B]MUST[/B] read for anyone interested in the ideaology behind some of tool's (and APC's, of course) music. It sure did open my mind further to look beyond what we are presented with in order to seek the truth.

(Correct me if someone has already brought it up, but there is 72 pages and I havn't had enough time to read it all yet.)

This as well with all things about geometrics, codes, mathematics, lightwaves, energy, the beauty of life and all it becomes apparent that we are all interconnected in some devine way. One of many ways I can see it clearly is through mathematics. Keeping this in mind, I like to think of Tool songs as metaphorical equations, that can be dynamically applied to our lives and ourselves as beings under various situations to reveal and explain how we feel and why we feel a certain way. One of many aspects to think about.

Another amazing thing is how one song might mean something to myself, might pose a completely different meaning to another person or even an utterly different meaning to maynard. I think it is great for people to post thoughts as to what they beleive a song is, but I strongly beleive one must find the meaning for themselves, well put as "thinking for yourself".

Simply put, Tool is musically and mentally on another level compared to [B]a lot[/B] of music these days.

Embrace the next step, Embrace Evolution...

Woo, hi new user :wave: I need that book, i read parts on danny careys website about it [url]www.dannycarey.org[/url] or something. What is the author/title of the book you read? :wave:

Geometric drumbeats - I expect this is relating to the fact that Carey uses the fibbonacci sequence in the song lateralus. This sequence is pleasing to the ear much like the golden ratio is pleasing to the eye. You can read up on it in the infamous tool FAQ on [url]www.toolshed.down.net[/url] Check the forum there also, there are some geniuses on there with quite astonishing thesis'.

/Realises he looks foolish 'cause he cannot spell the plural form of genius.

Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.

re knife_prty and clearvision's book talk:
on the tool reading list, there's "holy blood and the holy grail" which is a non-fiction that touches on a lot of theories fictionalised in dan brown's book.
To the point that the publishers of 'holy blood...' are suing those of 'the da vinci code' for plagarism... but I don't mean to take away from the dan brown book, i've now read it and think its great, and should open up lots of people to theories they may not otherwise have come across..
However if you're after the background to a lot of toolish theories in the same words that tool themselves read, don't go past "holy blood..."
its a good read, apart from anything else.

Also just finished "nothing in this book is true but its exactly the way things are" by bob frissell....it was amazing, i recommend it so strongly, even a complete cynic like me could not resist its charms...

Whoa a cover of Aenema! I love that song, I can't see someone making the song sound better in anyway, but im hoping it does!

As you can see im a new user, so hi everyone :wave: ! Im a huge Tool fan and you guys just blow me away with how much you know. I have one question though. Im really into Tool and all and am always listing to it but, i really want some new music to listen to that is similar to Tool just to fill in before the next CD comes out.

I have all the APC CD's so don't say them and the new APC albem eMOTIVe didnt do anything for me :confused: i was a bit let down to tell you the truth. SO is there any suggestions?

I've come to realize over time that no one element of either Tool or APC makes the band what it is. All too often in popular music, the singer is featured along with maybe one of the musicians (lead guitar?) in order to provide a simple, marketable face value that can only be praised as 'catchy'. It becomes a cycle, as the newest bands imitate the wildly popular bands who have presented that simple money-oriented music. In both Tool and APC, you never get that feeling. Nobody is 'featured'. Often Tool or APC fans love anything each separate musician does, even with other groups. That's a pretty unique trait for bands today.

Your thoughts?

Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima!

To deadohiosky: [email]BassYourFace@gmail.com[/email] or BassLikeLes on AIM

To Jinxed: Dreamtheater or King Crimson

[QUOTE=jinxed_nz]Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima![/QUOTE]

I'll send it to you. Whats your email address? Or Aim sn. And on other bands like Tool, I remember being in your position. I was like man are there any other bands like this? And to tell you the truth, there aren't really any bands that sound like em. It also depends on what kinda stuff ur into.

you might like Pink Floyd (if ur not already into them), tool fans also tend to like bands like Radiohead. Mudvayne is pretty good too. Not as meaningful as Flyd and Radiohead though. Oh yeah and Opeth. Took me a while to get used to the death metal growl. But you might like em. That should keep u busy. To jinxed.

i dont know, i think u might like pink floyd theyre pretty good. i think they are very original (well from all the bands ive heard...) but yeah check them out.
i listen to them when i just wanna kick back and relax, you know? but yeah pretty good stuff youve probably heard them though but really theres no bands like tool and apc.
^^^^to jinxed

Deftones. They just came to mind. Tool fans i've met like them too. This is to jinxed.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.[/QUOTE]

can you send the cover to [email]adamjones_god@yahoo.com[/email]
i would really appreciate it

Well, Im gonna brag on myself here, when we cover Aenema we do a **** good job! I think any band that is going to make the commitment to play any complicated masterpiece by Tool as a cover is going to work it to death. We spent a month getting that one song perfected. It is worth it, the crowd goes insane when we cover Tool.

Go figure, Radiohead and Tool are my favorite bands.

[QUOTE]Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima![/QUOTE]
It's not even that it's crap, for some people it might be really good stuff. It's fine if you like that music too. Maybe you admire that single person for who he/she is, not his band.

My point is pretty much about how Tool and APC are solely for the music. They completely on a different level from other bands because they play and feel as a band.

The difference between that and pop music is that pop focuses, not on the creativity and evolving ingenuity of their music, but on how the music will affect a certain image or trend. These people are by no means bad; they just aren't in it to revolutionize music. Instead, they sensationalize one part of the band (usually the singer) in order to place a marketable image on the music.

This type of music is typically shallow enough to play to everybody, catchy enough to appeal to younger audiences and distract strict parents from the 'maturity' in their lyrics like sex and violence. It's made to sell, made to be played as background noise at some club, movie soundtracks, or high-energy live situations. Producers and the industry are of course partially responsible for the marketed image, but it's true that 'stars' (MTV...) hype their image, not the music.

I'm going to extend my lil rant and get into why Tool (APC too) are better than the other bands who don't accept the pop image.

I can only describe Tool's music as art. Not only does it contain [U]a variety[/U] emotion on several levels, but many songs also have a layered meaning that can be related to almost anything in your life at any time. However, emotion is not enough. There are plenty of emotion-loaded bands today, even some who reject marketable image. A good example would be death metal/ hardcore bands who convey the same emotion through the same dischordant melody again and again.

Tool has something else; the music. Admittedly on the shallowest level, the members of Tool are respected and admired among their peers, especially Maynard and Danny.
Listen to the flow of many of their songs; you can feel tension, release, energy, on at least four levels.

Lastly, Tool has a certain power. Yeah, you shiver too when the opening chords of 'Schism' play. And during the final explosion of 'Push.it"; There isn't any speed bass, metal guitar, or slap bass during any of it, Maynard isn't even screaming, but it conveys so much more emotion and musical energy than any death metal song I have ever heard.

There's alot I've missed, but just pull out Tool and compare it to Yellowcard or Briteny Spears, you'll get my meaning.

I you sign to a label, or are in the music BUSINESS, your saying "i want to be a product" Busisness sell products or services.
Depending on which label you sign to or what branch of business you go into, you will be product x or product y, or product z, etc.

All music is not gonna be out to do what we like. I like that. I wouldnt want everyone out trying to push the limits of understanding music and lyrics.
When i say I'm a music fan, I'm a music fan. I can listen to top 40 just fine. But at the end of the day i identify with certain genres for my own reasons. I'm no better for this.

**** you guys really open my eyes up on this topic! Thanks a lot!
Well if it helps i have got Deftones, Tool, APC, Disturbed, NIN, Breaking Benjamin and i admit it i do like a bit of the chillies cus they are just so ****ed catchy!

Oh yeah send that cover song to [email]jinxed_nz@hotmail.com[/email] tht would be cool!

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I you sign to a label, or are in the music BUSINESS, your saying "i want to be a product" Busisness sell products or services.
Depending on which label you sign to or what branch of business you go into, you will be product x or product y, or product z, etc.

All music is not gonna be out to do what we like. I like that. I wouldnt want everyone out trying to push the limits of understanding music and lyrics.
When i say I'm a music fan, I'm a music fan. I can listen to top 40 just fine. But at the end of the day i identify with certain genres for my own reasons. I'm no better for this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, good points. Like he said, it doesn't mean you are 'enlightened' if you like Tool music. It has to do with preference. On the surface, many don't like Tool music, but if you do, you will find it goes deeper than other music you listen too (hence the fan base devoted to their meaning).

To jinxed: I think the chillies rock myself. Mainstream does not equal money-whore-crap, it might mean they made music alot of people like. Even so, look at RHCP, they are the epitome of 'band'.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.[/QUOTE]

That would be cool.
[email]Goldenmerkaba@aol.com[/email]

Right a few points...

Thanks 'an underused' just what the doctor ordered :thumb:

Expresso...I think the difference between most music and tool is that each musician can be picked out as giving something big to the group (I still don't know which parts of tool songs are bass but i am told Justin does do alot). I can sit and listen to maynard, or danny or adam each carry different melodies and have different songs showcasing their abilities.

Jinxed, It really depends on what you're into. At the moment i am having a radiohead phase. But i've been through opeth, dream theater and all sorts. It depends what stuff you like. Don't be too quick to dismiss mainstream bands, some are actually quite good (Is a busted/mcfly fan :upset:)

I would like the breaking benjamin cover :wave: robertchapman88 at gmail.com

the cover isn't bad. i would certainly cheer after hearing it live. yet the vocals im not used to and the words didn't come out very clear in some spots (during the F*ck L. Ron Hubbard part). but musically they did a really good job. 4 of 5

[QUOTE=jamesclelland]the cover isn't bad. i would certainly cheer after hearing it live. yet the vocals im not used to and the words didn't come out very clear in some spots (during the F*ck L. Ron Hubbard part). but musically they did a really good job. 4 of 5[/QUOTE]

Ya it was unclear in some parts. But I think he got close to Maynard's range in some parts. Musically i thought it was perfect.

[QUOTE=jinxed_nz]**** you guys really open my eyes up on this topic! Thanks a lot!
Well if it helps i have got Deftones, Tool, APC, Disturbed, NIN, Breaking Benjamin and i admit it i do like a bit of the chillies cus they are just so ****ed catchy!

Oh yeah send that cover song to [email]jinxed_nz@hotmail.com[/email] tht would be cool![/QUOTE]

Check out Chevelle. They kick as.s. They claim to be tool influenced also. Also check out Thursday, they have amazing lyrics that make you think, and they are very emotional. Post hardcore band, if ur into that kinda stuff. Lately I've been getting into a lot of harcore bands. Also looking at your tastes, I wold def recommend Marilyn Manson. Hes a lot lke Maynard too. Hes all for think for yourself, and tool philosophy stuff. Timothy Leary, Carl Jung, and whatnot. Really cool guy. And his music is awesome. btw- disturbed kicks man!!

Jinxed, the cover didn't send to you. It could be becuase ur using hotmail, u have ne thing else? I'll invite you to gmail. I need your name though.

wow i started reading the first couple pages of this thread and i had a lot of comments i wanted to make and songs i wanted to breakdown and then for the hell of i hit the button to go to the last page and saw that it was up to page 73. needless to say there is no point on commenting on something said on page 3.

can you send the cover to me i'd like to hear it. [email]cantstopusnow@yahoo.com[/email]
i dont know if it will work sending it to yahoo

Cheers for the cover, whoever it was that sent me it, If i knew i'd rep ya lol. Cover sounds cool, but YTF! is the guitarist using a zoom pedal...I can recreate his tone lol! The vocals aren't as strong but it's still good :thumb:

[QUOTE=clearvision]Cheers for the cover, whoever it was that sent me it, If i knew i'd rep ya lol. Cover sounds cool, but YTF! is the guitarist using a zoom pedal...I can recreate his tone lol! The vocals aren't as strong but it's still good :thumb:[/QUOTE]

I sent you the cover. Np.

This is off topic, but where has Adam Jones is God been??

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]This is off topic, but where has Adam Jones is God been??[/QUOTE]
He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.

i think if you like Tool, you should DEFINITELY check out Nine inch Nails... They're (or He's) a little different, using alot of effects and sort of "techno"-ish but ****, Trent Reznor is crazy....The lyrics are just awesome too..
I also think you should get some Led Zeppelin, seeing as how, In my opinion, they have influenced so much rock its crazy.. They're just amaazing, with one of the greatest guitarists ever..I also think Chevelle is a really good band, you can def see some tool influences in them... Can't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. < They kick as.sssss... Audioslave kicks major *** too, with almost the same RAGE people, cept 2 guys from Sound Garden...I HIGHLY recommend Audioslave if you like RATM, or even if you dont

I also read somewhere that Tool was inspired by Rush...I heard some Rush.. The singer has a really high-ish voice, I'm not sure how influential they were on Tool...but yeah...

TOOL was inspired mostly by Crimson King, according to the members themselves.

[QUOTE=omgwtfboogie]TOOL was inspired mostly by Crimson King, according to the members themselves.[/QUOTE]

I think its King Crimson.

[QUOTE=ThirteenthStep]i think if you like Tool, you should DEFINITELY check out Nine inch Nails... They're (or He's) a little different, using alot of effects and sort of "techno"-ish but ****, Trent Reznor is crazy....The lyrics are just awesome too..
I also think you should get some Led Zeppelin, seeing as how, In my opinion, they have influenced so much rock its crazy.. They're just amaazing, with one of the greatest guitarists ever..I also think Chevelle is a really good band, you can def see some tool influences in them... Can't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. < They kick as.sssss... Audioslave kicks major *** too, with almost the same RAGE people, cept 2 guys from Sound Garden...I HIGHLY recommend Audioslave if you like RATM, or even if you dont

I also read somewhere that Tool was inspired by Rush...I heard some Rush.. The singer has a really high-ish voice, I'm not sure how influential they were on Tool...but yeah...[/QUOTE]


Right on man!!!!! RATM!!! :thumb:

[QUOTE=omgwtfboogie]He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.[/QUOTE]

hahahahah! Sick.

[QUOTE=omgwtfboogie]He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.[/QUOTE]

Do you mind? Im only just able to sit down again after the last time.

Going back a bit to SFK comment, although im not in a band, I have tried to perfect every little detail of Stinkfist when I play/jam it. I started off basing my pedal set up to get the correct tones and effects in that song. from there i also have been doing the same with The Patient, hence my buying of a wah pedal.

Due to this,i've built up a decent array of pedals and have learned how to use them effectively, encorporating it into writing my own material. Thanks once again to Tool!

Oh, and after just reading (In case any of you fools are not regularly checking toolband.com)

This months newsletter contains some more insight into the Parabol/Parabola video. Shows some interesting links between the philosophy behind many Final fantasy games as well as Tool ideals. Could it be that everything that I enjoy in my life is somehow interconnected in someway?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Do you mind? Im only just able to sit down again after the last time.

Going back a bit to SFK comment, although im not in a band, I have tried to perfect every little detail of Stinkfist when I play/jam it. I started off basing my pedal set up to get the correct tones and effects in that song. from there i also have been doing the same with The Patient, hence my buying of a wah pedal.

Due to this,i've built up a decent array of pedals and have learned how to use them effectively, encorporating it into writing my own material. Thanks once again to Tool![/QUOTE]
I hope I wasn't [i]too[/i] rough on you..


Can you get the feedback intro to Stinkfist just right? Most of the tabs and techniques I've tried don't seem to sounds quite right.