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repcak 02-13-2006 03:26 PM

thank you. now i understand it... but yeah, a basic theory book is a good idea. have to ask for one in my guitar shop near me :)
and wholenote.com ... i forgot about this page. thanks


one more question: do you 'learn' scales or do you learn the notes inside out

Silenius 02-13-2006 03:32 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]

one more question: do you 'learn' scales or do you learn the notes inside out[/QUOTE]
No theres a pattern.

Major scale:

1 whole step
2 whole step
3 half step
4 whole step
5 whole step
6 whole step
7 half step

kurrpt 02-13-2006 03:38 PM

its the intervallic relationship of the major scale...


modes are the same pattern, just with a different root

repcak 02-13-2006 03:40 PM

ah... thanks

but how do you operate with it, while writing a song or solo? do you have to think what notes are on the fretboard and which notes you can play, or do you learn scales (i.a.w.: you know all scales c,d,e,f,g,a,b). its a lot to learn (too much) to know all minor, major, etc. scales. the only scale i know is the a minor pentatonic, and therefore i have difficulities writing solos ... i hope you understand what i want to say :/


/me is listening to Hollenthon - domus mundi album \m/

I'm Charming 02-13-2006 03:43 PM

hey Mitch...

I listened to your covers. :thumb:

They were excellent. I liked the Passage To The Reaper best.

The soloing was perfect.


You should form/get in a band... Your really damn good.

kurrpt 02-13-2006 03:47 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]ah... thanks

but how do you operate with it, while writing a song or solo? do you have to think what notes are on the fretboard and which notes you can play, or do you learn scales (i.a.w.: you know all scales c,d,e,f,g,a,b). its a lot to learn (too much) to know all minor, major, etc. scales. the only scale i know is the a minor pentatonic, and therefore i have difficulities writing solos ... i hope you understand what i want to say :/


/me is listening to Hollenthon - domus mundi album \m/[/QUOTE]



well, you could really memorize one box from like the E to e strings, and you could formulate the solo there, then mess around with different octaves to get it to sound perfect


u could also write it on paper, and learn it later

MRDuCran 02-13-2006 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]hey Mitch...

I listened to your covers. :thumb:

They were excellent. I liked the Passage To The Reaper best.

The soloing was perfect.


You should form/get in a band... Your really damn good.[/QUOTE]

Ah thanks man.
I was proud of that actually, the only thing is I had just finished recording one of the 75% panned rhythm parts and forgot to put it to centre for the solo so it's slightly right.

I'm apprantly in a band but it's drop C chugga chugga stuff and it gets annoying after a while. Even though Bodom use drop C for AYDY, it's still very creative imo.

repcak 02-13-2006 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]well, you could really memorize one box from like the E to e strings, and you could formulate the solo there, then mess around with different octaves to get it to sound perfect


u could also write it on paper, and learn it later[/QUOTE]
is it the way you write your own stuff?
i want to know how you all write solos ... to compare it with myself.

I'm Charming 02-13-2006 04:20 PM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Ah thanks man.
I was proud of that actually, the only thing is I had just finished recording one of the 75% panned rhythm parts and forgot to put it to centre for the solo so it's slightly right.

I'm apprantly in a band but it's drop C chugga chugga stuff and it gets annoying after a while. Even though Bodom use drop C for AYDY, it's still very creative imo.[/QUOTE]

I dislike the chugga chugga stuff. :p

Silenius 02-13-2006 04:22 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]is it the way you write your own stuff?
i want to know how you all write solos ... to compare it with myself.[/QUOTE]
Write a chord progression, then use arpegios/scales that compliment the progression.

repcak 02-13-2006 04:26 PM

with the intro above i'm able to play only a Gmajor chord (as background) ... nothing more, right!?

MRDuCran 02-13-2006 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]I dislike the chugga chugga stuff. :p[/QUOTE]

Yer, they overplay Killswitch Engage songs. If I hear My Last Seranade one more time, I might have to hang myself.

Silenius 02-13-2006 04:32 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]with the intro above i'm able to play only a Gmajor chord (as background) ... nothing more, right!?[/QUOTE]
No you can play any chord in the Gmaj scale, Emin, Gmaj etc. I can't really say when to use what chords since every phrase can have a different chord progression depending on the lead part.

repcak 02-13-2006 04:43 PM

would such a chord progression be ok (i changed the intro into Cmaj ... G instead of F#)?
-------------------------------
-------------------------------
-------------------------------
------5------2----2---------3
------5------2----2---------3
00003-0-0-0-0-0-0000-1

well, the rythm isn't correct above... but the chords would be ok for a Cmaj intro part!?

Silenius 02-13-2006 04:46 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]would such a chord progression be ok (i changed the intro into Cmaj ... G instead of F#)?
-------------------------------
-------------------------------
-------------------------------
------5------2----2---------3
------5------2----2---------3
00003-0-0-0-0-0-0000-1

well, the rythm isn't correct above... but the chords would be ok for a Cmaj intro part!?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they would be. :)

Shadows 02-13-2006 04:54 PM

[QUOTE=repcak]is it the way you write your own stuff?
i want to know how you all write solos ... to compare it with myself.[/QUOTE]
After you write the rhythm, play around with lead stuff until you find something that sounds good. It's that simple. Don't make things overly complex by trying to relate everything you do to theory. People were composing some of the world's greatest music before there was theory to explain it, so the same applies to the modern times. The golden rule of music is if it sounds good, use it. If it doesn't sound good, don't use it. There's no need to confuse yourself during an otherwise simple process.

repcak 02-13-2006 04:55 PM

great... the rhythm part is a little bit tricky, to write it on GP :)

repcak 02-13-2006 05:35 PM

so i just made some background chords and a little riff... whats missing is an interlude ... but i will go to bed now and will work on this tomorrow... but maybe you want to hear it :D

[URL="http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/hollenthon.mp3"]Song (no name)[/URL]

PsychoticFlubber 02-13-2006 06:25 PM

Well everyone. The new issue of Guitar World came in today. Alexi was featured in it showing a few practice licks (nothing Bodom related) and he tabbed out the solo to "We're Not Gonna Fall". It seems a little hard... Oh well, I wish he would tab out all of Angels Don't Kill for once. Or Tripple Corpse Hammerblow.

MRDuCran 02-13-2006 06:28 PM

I wouldn't buy it for that, it's on mysongbook.
I was going to buy the beginners one but I thought I'm not paying £15 for a bunch of licks I already know.

PsychoticFlubber 02-13-2006 08:22 PM

I didn't buy it. I am perscribed to Guitar World. There is a lot of licks by Alexi randomly in there that I need to know I guess. I never trust tabs by other people I guess.

Shadows 02-13-2006 09:10 PM

You mean subscribed?

I never trust other people's tabs either. That's why I do all of it myself. It's good to be confident that I'm palying the correct music, but having to transcribe the entire song whenever I feel like learning something can be a major hindrance sometimes.

I'm Charming 02-13-2006 09:56 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]You mean subscribed?

I never trust other people's tabs either. That's why I do all of it myself. It's good to be confident that I'm palying the correct music, but having to transcribe the entire song whenever I feel like learning something can be a major hindrance sometimes.[/QUOTE]

I use my ears to determine if the tab is correct. BTW.

I only will touch tabs that are 4 stars or higher rated. Then I'll most likely have to correct it, some. It's still better then spending all the timing tabbing w/e out though.

Shadows 02-13-2006 10:06 PM

I do that when I really don't want to take a week to tab a song. If it's rated highly and looks good then I'll go for it.

Like I'm doing now with Dark Tranquillity.

I'm Charming 02-13-2006 10:15 PM

As I said I'd post.

My cover of Slayer-Raining Blood

JacksonJS30 and Marshall amp. Tuning=DADGBE(Yes, I know Slayer plays E flat)
Recorded by, plugging my amp into my laptop and Audacity.

Bear with me on the "choppy parts".

I recored over the last couple days... I'm not the best at editing together riffs, so please cut me a little slack on that.

[url]http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AK3FZEVF4BPR15J0NW428TX02[/url]

Apocalyptic Raids 02-13-2006 10:35 PM

You meant to play some of those riffs differently right?

I'm Charming 02-13-2006 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]You meant to play some of those riffs differently right?[/QUOTE]


A couple of em, yes.

MRDuCran 02-14-2006 07:04 AM

[QUOTE=PsychoticFlubber]I didn't buy it. I am perscribed to Guitar World. There is a lot of licks by Alexi randomly in there that I need to know I guess. I never trust tabs by other people I guess.[/QUOTE]

Would you check on mysongbook and see if they're the same, that would be cool.

kurrpt 02-14-2006 07:37 AM

[QUOTE=repcak]is it the way you write your own stuff?
i want to know how you all write solos ... to compare it with myself.[/QUOTE]



i tend to write solos on paper, then learn them on the guitar, and formulate or change it up at that point (by ear)

Britton 02-14-2006 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]i tend to write solos on paper, then learn them on the guitar, and formulate or change it up at that point (by ear)[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been doing lately. My ear has really devoloped to the point where I can hear it and right it down then learn it later....It's cool


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