[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16448796]Find Tribute to the Black Emperors. It has Dead's studio version of Freezing Moon, which is definitely his best vocals performance. Plus, if you find the right link you'll get the December Moon **** he did with Morbid.

As for other albums...

Triskele - Les Murmers de La Foret
Akitsa - La Grandie Infamie



DMSD isn't essential. It's a poopty album.[/QUOTE]

he was more creative with his vocals with morbid. you can also get a dead on vocals version of carnage recorded at the same time. dont bother with any dead era live material.

listen to rahu **** off non elite

I wouldn't say not to bother with it. Live In Leipzig has some good qualities, but its major flaw is Dead sounds like he's dying throughout his whole performance, and not in a good way.

Out From the Dark I do enjoy, but that definitely isn't his best vocal performance. Everything on that albums sounds like a stream of thought - nothing is re-recorded and it's all just... well, a rehearsal.

Deathcrush is a classic album, regarding DMDS im not a massive fan but there isn't anything wrong with many of the songs really, id say it is an essential album considering with that album the whole icy ascending/descending tremolo riffing style that is so popular now started with that album, of course Snorre was doing that **** few years before with his Thorn's demos but DMDS really popularized it and Snorre's contributions to the album can be heard throughout. It just could have been done a lot better, production wise and getting rid of Hellhammer, bass is too low for me, would have helped alot if they brought it up plus Atilla's vocals are undeniably evil, I just think the album could have been a lot more darker and had the potential to be amazing. That album pretty much spawned the black metal movement and gave it a defineable sound and the influence is still being heard 14 years later, so saying it isn't essential to black metal is pretty stupid.

Well obviously it is essential in its impact, but who ****ing cares? I hate when people parade around saying "oh, it doesn't matter if you don't like the album, just respect its contribution." No, **** that - that's stupid.

The vocals suck for the most part on that album, and there isn't enough direction to distinguish the songs from one another - they kind of just blend in to an instrumentally sound but vocally poor mess. It has two great songs, but besides those there really isn't much to say for the album, and Dead did so much with those two songs than Atilla could ever think of doing.

Plus, who buys an album just to "respect the contribution" it made. You just admitted you didn't even really like the album, and yet you're saying it's an essential release.

I like the album, but I have the same attitude about some stuff I get s[I]h[/I]it for not liking, mostly VON heh.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16448947]Well obviously it is essential in its impact, but who ****ing cares? I hate when people parade around saying "oh, it doesn't matter if you don't like the album, just respect its contribution." No, **** that - that's stupid.

The vocals suck for the most part on that album, and there isn't enough direction to distinguish the songs from one another - they kind of just blend in to an instrumentally sound but vocally poor mess. It has two great songs, but besides those there really isn't much to say for the album, and Dead did so much with those two songs than Atilla could ever think of doing.

Plus, who buys an album just to "respect the contribution" it made. You just admitted you didn't even really like the album, and yet you're saying it's an essential release.[/QUOTE]

So? I think rap is ****ing gay and I realize there are plenty of essential releases for the genre, same with every other genre out there, Emperor is ****ing gay as well but ITNSE is essential to the whole keyboard faggotry movement. Im not saying you have to respect the contribution by buying the album or anything but youd have to be a retard to not RECOGNIZE the contribution it made, to say DMDS is not essential to the black metal movement would be wrong.

Dead had a hand in writing the songs, of course he did them better. But guess what? Dead is dead and wasn't around for recording the album, Atilla gave the album a whole new different dimension then Dead did and if the whole albums sound was more complimentary to the style Atilla had I think it would have turned out tons better.

[QUOTE=rasputin;16448087]Ok, I'm in the mood, so help me in my quest to become acquainted with all the kvlt, essential black metal. I'm looking for both dirty as f[size=2]u[/size]ck, brutal as hell bands, as well as more foresty acoustic black metal, obviously only the essentials of both types.

Here is a brief list of black metal bands I already have albums from, so please don't recommend from these:
Arkhon Infaustus, Bathory, Belenos, Black Horizons, Burzum, Daemonarch, Darkthrone, Dissection, Drudkh, Emperor, Fluisterwoud, Gorgoroth, Marduk, Nokturnal Mortum, Primordial, Rotting Christ, Satyricon, Summoning, Sykdom, Ulver, Wolves in the throne Room[/QUOTE]

I guess recommending Archgoat is pretty useless seeing as you already read my review of them lol, but they seem to be what you're looking for

as well as Beherit, Blasphemy, Revenge, Proclamation, Demoncy - Joined in Darkness

[QUOTE=Charizard;16448787]mayhem sucks dudes, one decent release does not constitute a classic, no matter how influencial they are[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot, Deathcrush IS a classic no matter how **** their other material was, and beats the **** out of anything else you listen to

idk I think DMDS is a great album

byaw byaw byaw

[QUOTE]So? I think rap is ****ing gay and I realize there are plenty of essential releases for the genre, same with every other genre out there, Emperor is ****ing gay as well but ITNSE is essential to the whole keyboard large bundle of sticksry movement. Im not saying you have to respect the contribution by buying the album or anything but youd have to be a retard to not RECOGNIZE the contribution it made, to say DMDS is not essential to the black metal movement would be wrong.[/QUOTE]


Well then out definitions of essential are far different. When I say essential I mean a good, well-crafted release that can sum of a sound and that can provide an influence. Of course DMDS is essential in the fact that it "defined" a sound or whatever, but I don't think it's essential in a good black metal context.

Essential [b]to[/b] black metal....

All im saying is that if it wasn't for that album and the events leading up to it the black metal scene would have turned out a lot different, it is the summation of everything that was going on at the time, it was a defining and vital album for the Norweigan scene and essential in the formation and progression of the genre. On that album you can hear what is considered THE black metal sounds and is undeniably important and influential. It may not be the best album in world but its far above all modern bm gimmick crap like WITTR, DSO, Xasthur or whatever else is considered essential by some people today.

If DMDS isn't an essential black metal release, find me one that was more important, necessary, vital and had more of a widespread impact than that one.

Well you're right about it being essential TO black metal, but it's not in anyway Ia strong album when it comes to black metal standards, and that's why it's not essential in the context in which I was arguing against.

[QUOTE]
All im saying is that if it wasn't for that album and the events leading up to it the black metal scene would have turned out a lot different,[/QUOTE]

You act like that's a bad thing.

Who knows, im being realistic here, it could have gone either way. I was just using it as an example to show why it is essential to black metal.

yeah ok go steal some sausage

cael u can steal my sausage

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16449174]Well you're right about it being essential TO black metal, but it's not in anyway Ia strong album when it comes to black metal standards, and that's why it's not essential in the context in which I was arguing against.



You act like that's a bad thing.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so you were arguing against Cael, but in a context completely different to the one Cael was arguing in? Lol

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16449174]Well you're right about it being essential TO black metal, but it's not in anyway Ia strong album when it comes to black metal standards, and that's why it's not essential in the context in which I was arguing against.[/QUOTE]

You're also the only who was arguing in that context.

actual am planning on it tonight


anyways np: Orrery

this album changed my view on atmospheric black metal, actually not really I still think all the **** you people like (wittr, summoning, drudkh etc etc) is ****ing gay but this band has something those bands severly lack, skill and songwriting ability. for fans of neofolk tinged raw black metal or **** like ildjarn, furiridueke, triskele I guess but this **** is far far better.

I'll look into it, I like that kind of stuff so yeah... :p

[QUOTE=DERSIEGDERKRIEGDERKAMPF;16449203]this band has something those bands severly lack, skill and songwriting ability.[/QUOTE]

:amaze:

I know you don't like those bands at all but I think to say they have no songwriting ability or skill is pretty absurd.

[QUOTE]You're also the only who was arguing in that context.[/QUOTE]

Well that doesn't say much, since there was only two people in the argument.

ok if you consider WITTR and Drudkh as great songwriters and having any sort of great skill then thats even more of a[SIZE="7"]:amaze:[/SIZE]

of course I wouldnt expect you to think that of summoning



Drudkh does have some skill, WITTR really has no skill at all, it amazes me how something so talentless is so praised.

Yeah, the Orrery album is very good.

Drudkh's first 2 albums are a perfect example of naturesque black metal done right imo.

and as far as the nature tihng goes, Drudkh and WITTR shouldn't even be compared on that subject.

[QUOTE=DERSIEGDERKRIEGDERKAMPF;16449203]actual am planning on it tonight


anyways np: Orrery

this album changed my view on atmospheric black metal, actually not really I still think all the **** you people like (wittr, summoning, drudkh etc etc) is ****ing gay but this band has something those bands severly lack, skill and songwriting ability. for fans of neofolk tinged raw black metal or **** like ildjarn, furiridueke, triskele I guess but this **** is far far better.[/QUOTE]

Orrery is great. [I]Nine odes to oblivion[/I]?

yep got that tape awhile and been quite impressed since

WIITR no, new Drudkh maybe not, but old Drudkh certainly knew how to create an atmosphere and how to build up to a high point which takes some skill. I never said great either, you said no skill which is what I was arguing. Listen to Autumn Aurora and tell me anyone could just pick up an instrument and write something like that.

Damn it kampf I'll make you like WITTR. I will come to your house and duct tape you naked to a chair and force you to listen to diadem of 12 stars. mwahahaha!

Orrery sounds good, ill check em out

never gonna happen