@Mitch: i recently got i problem, maybe you can help me. first of all i'm burn out on guitar... i don't enjoy it anymore, don't have fun while playing and therefore i haven't really played guitar for more than one week.
The main reason is that i can't hear the same melodies all the time; i sit down and practise my licks for some hours to play it smoother and faster but after some weeks i got sick of the same melodies... its the same with Kalmah's Swamphell. i have to relearn it, cause i made the same mistake all the time, but its so frustrating. i play it at 40bpm and i can't play it for 10x without mistake. at least at the 4th time i made a mistake :upset:
i have this routine i do every time: warm up, play licks, concentrate on technique and finger stretching, learning songs (lick after lick, part after part) - and everything i do is playing slow... increasing speed takes a lot (too much) of time; so therefore i think i'm frustrated, don't enjoy guitar anymore, etc.

can you give me some tips i can do better? how are you practising, playing? do you too have any special routine-practise?

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]SW: C Standard
Hatebreeder & Follow The Reaper DGCFAD (D standard)
Hate Crew Deathroll All DGCFAD except to songs (Chokehold & Angel's Don't Kill I think)
AYDY CGCFAD[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure Sixpounder is CGCFAD, correct me if I'm wrong though.

Repcak: Do you have a teacher? If not maybe get one. That could help/encourage you to play more often and a teacher should know how to get you out of the rut that you're in. Alternatively, I guess you could just try learning some fairly easy yet fun to play stuff to keep your enjoyment alive.

I doubt I'm much help. I'm distracted at the moment so I can't give you a very good answer.

Something Wild is C# Standard.

Follow the Reaper and Hatebreeder and D standard - DGCFAD

Hatecrew Deathroll is D standard except Angels Dont Kill and Sixpounder.

AYDY is Drop D: Down a step - CGCFAD.


This is going from memory, havent actually palyed or listened to CoB in months :p.

[QUOTE=Squirrel]Something Wild is C# Standard.

Follow the Reaper and Hatebreeder and D standard - DGCFAD

Hatecrew Deathroll is D standard except Angels Dont Kill and Sixpounder.

[B]AYDY is [U]Drop D[/U]: Down a step - [U]CGCFAD[/U].[/B]


This is going from memory, havent actually palyed or listened to CoB in months :p.[/QUOTE]
you mean, drop C in C standard tuning, do you?

No ?

Drop D = DADGBE

then,

Down a Step = CGCFAD.

[QUOTE=Squirrel]No ?

Drop D = DADGBE

then,

Down a Step = CGCFAD.[/QUOTE]
Bodom doesn't play in drop D though, they just drop everything a whole step and play in D Standard, then just drop the low string to a C.

I'm not saying they play in Drop D? Learn to read.

They use the tuning 'Drop D: Down a step' which morons call 'Drop C' - CGCFAD.

so you mean, Drop C in D Standard, right? :p

[QUOTE=repcak]so you mean, Drop C in D Standard, right? :p[/QUOTE]

Yes, if you want to say it like a retard.

he, that tunning is called drop d down a step like squirrel said. people get confused by tunnings, like drop b which is not, B F# B E G# C#.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]You will never understand how much I take Tr00 Metal too heart. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Bad.

Plexi is a very bad influence on you (lawl @ me for sounding like a concerned mother).

[QUOTE=repcak]@Mitch: i recently got i problem, maybe you can help me. first of all i'm burn out on guitar... i don't enjoy it anymore, don't have fun while playing and therefore i haven't really played guitar for more than one week.
The main reason is that i can't hear the same melodies all the time; i sit down and practise my licks for some hours to play it smoother and faster but after some weeks i got sick of the same melodies... its the same with Kalmah's Swamphell. i have to relearn it, cause i made the same mistake all the time, but its so frustrating. i play it at 40bpm and i can't play it for 10x without mistake. at least at the 4th time i made a mistake :upset:
i have this routine i do every time: warm up, play licks, concentrate on technique and finger stretching, learning songs (lick after lick, part after part) - and everything i do is playing slow... increasing speed takes a lot (too much) of time; so therefore i think i'm frustrated, don't enjoy guitar anymore, etc.

can you give me some tips i can do better? how are you practising, playing? do you too have any special routine-practise?[/QUOTE]You are doing exactly what it takes to be a good guitarist.

it is quite a bitch...


but i find the journey extremely invigorating. WTF else would i do, watch TV? :lol:

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]You are doing exactly what it takes to be a good guitarist.[/QUOTE]
:eek:
what i do is only practising ... and after some time i just can't listen/hear to the same melodies/licks all the time. i play always with a metronome. its frustrating ...

i don't play, i practise and i don't enjoy it anymore... and playing guitar should be, in the first play, be fun

trying doing more diatonic exercises, or bits from different solos you wanna do. Try changing it up more if you find everything becoming STALE

[QUOTE=repcak]:eek:
what i do is only practising ... and after some time i just can't listen/hear to the same melodies/licks all the time. i play always with a metronome. its frustrating ...

i don't play, i practise and i don't enjoy it anymore... and playing guitar should be, in the first play, be fun[/QUOTE]
I know what you are saying... Try playing songs for your friends, start a band, write your own material.

diatonic exercises? what do you mean?

the other thing is... if you want to learn something, you have to start to play it SLOW and increase the speed each time a little bit.... and thats frustrating too! i can play some licks fast, as fast as it should be, but its sloppy... but when i want to play it clean i take my metronome and play this lick 20-30x until i increase the speed... and thats frustrating... cause it takes so long to increase the speed.
everything i play, i play at 50% of the speed it should be :upset:

and tell me, how many time do you practise and how much of the time you play just for fun and do other things (like theory)

diatonic exercises, as in exercises that follow a progression, and actually sound like music

[QUOTE=repcak]@Mitch: i recently got i problem, maybe you can help me. first of all i'm burn out on guitar... i don't enjoy it anymore, don't have fun while playing and therefore i haven't really played guitar for more than one week.
The main reason is that i can't hear the same melodies all the time; i sit down and practise my licks for some hours to play it smoother and faster but after some weeks i got sick of the same melodies... its the same with Kalmah's Swamphell. i have to relearn it, cause i made the same mistake all the time, but its so frustrating. i play it at 40bpm and i can't play it for 10x without mistake. at least at the 4th time i made a mistake :upset:
i have this routine i do every time: warm up, play licks, concentrate on technique and finger stretching, learning songs (lick after lick, part after part) - and everything i do is playing slow... increasing speed takes a lot (too much) of time; so therefore i think i'm frustrated, don't enjoy guitar anymore, etc.

can you give me some tips i can do better? how are you practising, playing? do you too have any special routine-practise?[/QUOTE]

I understand where you're coming from, I get sick of playing the same stuff all day everyday too, but it's pretty much the only way to get it at blinding speeds.

For the Swamphell thing, I would say turn the metronome OFF and play it as slow as you can without messing up. Even if you have the metronome at 40bpm, you're still being pressured to keep in time and be constantly playing, if you haven't mastered it in terms of what frets to play, then you should not be practising with a metronome, just play each note one by one really slow without an amp or clean and make sure you have it down perfectly, then put the metronome on at 40.

I get discouraged from playing all the time, after an hour I'm bored of the licks, the guitar, myself, life, but you just got to stick at it, take a break, have a drink etc and maybe listen to a really good song, when I do that, I think "woh, I wanna be able to do that" then it motivates me to play again, and since I've been playing already that day, I'm kinda warmed up so I can jump right in. Also, watching live videos and instructional stuff also gets me in the guitar playing mood, give that a shot.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]diatonic exercises, as in exercises that follow a progression, and actually sound like music[/QUOTE]
Playing in key basically. When something is said to be Diatonic the meant it is in whatever key. An example would be saying that B is diatoninc in Cmaj.

^^^ Musicial Theory fanboy alert^^^

haha. I've been practicing Lord Abortion. It's pretty easy and very fun to play. I didn't even know I could trem pick chords that fast (I just kept raising the speed and I was playing it faster than the song hahahha)

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]^^^ Musicial Theory fanboy alert^^^[/QUOTE]
Damn straight, If wasn't I would probably fail out of school.

thank you Mitch; good to know that i'm not the only one, who is getting sick of licks, when playing them all the time.

to the swamphell song: the funny thing is, that when i play it with the wrong technique but fast i can play it without mistake... but when i try to play it with the right technique i can't ... if fast or slow, i make the same mistake.

to motivate yourself with guitar-videos: its the same i do too! take a break and then listen to a good song or video and then practise again ... 100% motivated. the strange thing is, that this didn't helped me the last week. i got sick of guitar in general... i even tried not to listen to metal :eek: i think the best thing is to make a break... don't touch the guitar for a week... yesterday i played a little bit and today i enjoyed playing guitar (a little bit).

Music Theory is my best course in school as well...

Yea, do something more fun if you find your practicing getting boring. I usually do half an hour of the stuff my teacher gives me, and I do my own stuff for half an hour or so...

I never get tired of the same riffs.

Since I play what I love. :thumb:

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]I never get tired of the same riffs.

Since I play what I love. :thumb:[/QUOTE]


I like your new username.

[QUOTE=repcak]thank you Mitch; good to know that i'm not the only one, who is getting sick of licks, when playing them all the time.

to the swamphell song: the funny thing is, that when i play it with the wrong technique but fast i can play it without mistake... but when i try to play it with the right technique i can't ... if fast or slow, i make the same mistake.

to motivate yourself with guitar-videos: its the same i do too! take a break and then listen to a good song or video and then practise again ... 100% motivated. the strange thing is, that this didn't helped me the last week. i got sick of guitar in general... i even tried not to listen to metal :eek: i think the best thing is to make a break... don't touch the guitar for a week... yesterday i played a little bit and today i enjoyed playing guitar (a little bit).[/QUOTE]

I think everyone must get sick of playing at some point in their musical lives, especially if it's like us, trying to get to a stupidly high level of playing but practising everything soo slow, it can get depressing.

The to Swaphell thing, it's probably because you don't know it well enough yet, as I said. It's weird how it works but you can play some things faster than you can slow. You'll have more accuracy but less consistency so getting it perfect slowly is essential.

I've been taking a break, not because I'm bored of guitar, just because I'm a lazy bastard during holidays.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]The to Swaphell thing, it's probably because you don't know it well enough yet, as I said. It's weird how it works but you can play some things faster than you can slow. You'll have more accuracy but less consistency so getting it perfect slowly is essential.
[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth.

i once again analysed my fingermoves and i think one of the problems, why i make this mistake is that my pinky and ringfinger (4 and 3) are too weak, though they shouldnt, cause i use them often - but in this fingerpattern the moves seem to be a little uncontrolled and weak.
so i think i have to strength them through some pinky and ringfinger exercises :D

thanks

thats the common misconception repcak...


people believe their ring and pinky are "weak", so they do finger trills over and over on those two fingers. The problem is, they are compensating for coordination problems by repeating a task a million times. It really instill bad technique.

The thing to do is try to be mindful of those two digits at all times (focus). It sounds easy, or over simplified, but its really the truth. If you havent already figured out, fretting a note takes VERY little energy, therefore its practically negligable that you have a LOT of muscle in your fingers. The trick is to repeat the task over and over, and train your muscle memory to be perfect, while maintaining that level of precision.

hm... i won't make thrills. hm... the problem i have is maybe not the strength (sorry that i expressed myself wrong) but its the coordination between my ringfinger and pinky, when i have to use them one after another

i would do those exercises i think:
-----------------
---------------
---------------
-----------3-4
------3-4-----
-3-4----------etc.
or/and
---------3-5
-----3-5----
-3-5--------etc.

the swamphell song is:
----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------[B][U]16[/U][/B]--------14
-16-13----------------16-15--------[B][U]15[/U][/B]---16-15-----
--------13----------13--------16-13------------------
-----------14---14------------------------------------
--------------[B][U]16[/U][/B]---------------------------------------

the marked notes are the notes i always make a mistake....the end of the sweeping
----16
15---
is the main problem... and you use the ringfinger and pinky.

you definitely have the right idea...


what REALLY helps me, is to sit down, close my eyes, and concentrate my hardest on those 2 fingers. Ill actually be able to feel the wood/fret wire under those 2 fingers and maintain a VERY small heighth above the fretboard.

You also need to learn the relationships with your other fingers. Something like

43424142 works pretty nice, but you dont wanna get into a habbit of doing the same lick over and over. Mixing it up definitely goes a long way

yeah, mixing it up is a good idea... the reason i'm frustrated since last week :p

what i do as a warm up is: 1234, 1324, 1423.

... and closing my eyes and concentrate on my moves is a really good idea... have to try this out. thanks :thumb:

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]I never get tired of the same riffs.

Since I play what I love. :thumb:[/QUOTE]you also love receiving butt secks

[QUOTE=repcak]yeah, mixing it up is a good idea... the reason i'm frustrated since last week :p

what i do as a warm up is: 1234, 1324, 1423.

... and closing my eyes and concentrate on my moves is a really good idea... have to try this out. thanks :thumb:[/QUOTE]



im such a technique whore, and i havent been playing that long at all. Its all fresh in my mind to, so its usually no trouble at all

[QUOTE=blue3]you also love receiving butt secks[/QUOTE]

lol you and your random anal penetrational posts.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]im such a technique whore, and i havent been playing that long at all. Its all fresh in my mind to, so its usually no trouble at all[/QUOTE]
Which is a good thing, once you move into more advance music being able to play with correct techinique will make learning the music much easier and less frustrating.

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]Which is a good thing, once you move into more advance music being able to play with correct techinique will make learning the music much easier and less frustrating.[/QUOTE]



thats really the distinction ive tried to make. I realized some time ago that in order to play in a live situation and do it with any kind of professionalism, that a level of proficiency and accuracy would have to be attained. You could argue that i spend too much time on this endeavor, but its really helping me to get a handle on guitar overall

is there an article in guitar world with alexi? i thinik i saw somewhere that said that

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]Which is a good thing, once you move into more advance music being able to play with correct techinique will make learning the music much easier and less frustrating.[/QUOTE]
thats what i'm looking forward ... i hope in some years i will look back and will say: "it was worth it, practising so much" :D