Album Tomorow!

[QUOTE=xrockerachickx]Album Tomorow![/QUOTE]

Today actually, your countrys a noob :thumb:

... :lol:

[QUOTE=hotsmoke]OMG JOHN DOLMAYAN WHAT A BLOODY DRUMMMER !!! LIKE HES SOOOO GOOD!!!THAT ALSO WITH NO DOUBLE BASS:p[/QUOTE]

I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.

[QUOTE=mutant!]The biggest thing obviously being that they've stepped up the guitars to drop C# instead of drop C. The day System plays every song on an album in standard tuning is the day I will lie down on the floor and proceed with my Tantric perpetual orgasm.


I enjoy both voices equally. Daron has a very pop-punk voice which is better than anything a sarcastic socio-political metal band could hope for; [I]especially[/I] since it's System, who never take themselves too seriously and enjoy poking fun at pop culture. It is one of the most ironic things that I have ever witnessed in music. And yes, the harmonies on Lost In Hollywood are amazing; ditto for BYOB, even though it's just diatonic thirds all the way.

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I really think serj has one of the best modern vocals of any band out there. Daron's voice is too whiney and annoying.

[QUOTE=Skit]Today actually, your countrys a noob :thumb:

... :lol:[/QUOTE]
Haha, continent pwnt.

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.[/QUOTE]
i think your wrong.. actually i know your wrong. hes always been using it. but yea sam goody called me today and told me my cds in but i dont think im getting free art with it am i?

i refused to listen more then 15 seconds of all the intros except for hypnotize,kill rock n roll, holy mountains and i listened to shes like heroin cuz its the shortest song on the cd.. i love that song!

[QUOTE=mutant!]The biggest thing obviously being that they've stepped up the guitars to drop C# instead of drop C. The day System plays every song on an album in standard tuning is the day I will lie down on the floor and proceed with my Tantric perpetual orgasm.[/QUOTE]
In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.[/QUOTE]

He used to use one bass drum, with an Iron Cobra double kick pedal, but he rarely used it.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:[/QUOTE]
If that's true it's going to sound wierd...

[I]Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie![/I]

I love that song, it is quite funny.

^^hell yeah...

SOAD in normal tuning, while convenient, just wont be the same

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]Daron's voice is too whiney and annoying.[/QUOTE]
That's my point. It's whiny, annoying, really gets under your skin, and sounds like Tom DeLonge on Blink's first CD. That's why it's funny. System absolutely lives for taking the piss out of establishment - especially [U]pop[/U] culture - so his [U]pop[/U]-punk-like voice comes in handy when they want to be sarcastic about mass media or commercialisation or whatever.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:[/QUOTE]
/orgasm

IMO: drop-tuning is pretentious and a cheap way to sound metal-y. True musicianship is shown when you can:

1) sound heavy without distortion;
2) play metal in standard tuning; and
3) adapt to the instrument instead of adapting the instrument to yourself.

/prepares [I]+5 shield of flame resistance[/I]

hmm, but it also allows the instruments to go deeper than they could before, which adds to systems darker tone

try playing a system song drop tuned, then normally and you will see what i mean

[QUOTE=Corkofski]hmm, but it also allows the instruments to go deeper than they could before, which adds to [B]systems darker tone[/B]

try playing a system song drop tuned, then normally and you will see what i mean[/QUOTE]
Not just SOAD. Every metal band of the past 20 years. It's wayyy overused. I have more respect for a band that plays in D standard than drop C - the dropped E string is for lazy people who can't play power chords fast. What I mean is that (1) if you want low range, get a baritone or a bass (2) YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY LOW TO SOUND EVIL. Chords can be dark without being low. It has far more to do with chord structure and composition than tone height. This whole drop-tuning fad is making dark-sounding music extremely easy to achieve, and thus the market is flooded with bands who can't play for sh*t but have discovered how to play a power chord with one finger.

And btw, I have played SOAD stuff in normal tuning, like Question! for example. It sounds fiiiiiiine. :thumb:

[QUOTE=mutant!]Not just SOAD. Every metal band of the past 20 years. It's wayyy overused. I have more respect for a band that plays in D standard than drop C - the dropped E string is for lazy people who can't play power chords fast. What I mean is that (1) if you want low range, get a baritone or a bass (2) YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY LOW TO SOUND EVIL. Chords can be dark without being low. It has far more to do with chord structure and composition than tone height. This whole drop-tuning fad is making dark-sounding music extremely easy to achieve, and thus the market is flooded with bands who can't play for sh*t but have discovered how to play a power chord with one finger.

And btw, I have played SOAD stuff in normal tuning, like Question! for example. It sounds fiiiiiiine. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

The kind of tuning a guitarist uses doesnt determine how good he is. Drop tunings dont have to be used soley by lazy guitarists. Certain riffs can be played with far more convienience with the dropped E string as opposed to an E string in standard.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Right, but D standard doesn't have a low C...[/QUOTE]

D standard with a dropped E string would be drop C.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]That's my point.[/QUOTE]

Oh, ok.

[QUOTE=Chris][I]Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie![/I]

I love that song, it is quite funny.[/QUOTE]
um which song is this again :p

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Right, but D standard doesn't have a low C...[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

/mass confusion

What I [I]meant[/I] was, playing in D standard is more respectable (note: [B]IMHO[/B]) because it's still standard tuning, just lower. The moment you take standard D and drop the D to C, you're in a drop tuning, which is gh3y.

[QUOTE=blackest_incarnation]The kind of tuning a guitarist uses doesnt determine how good he is. Drop tunings dont have to be used soley by lazy guitarists. Certain riffs can be played with far more convienience with the dropped E string as opposed to an E string in standard.[/QUOTE]
In most cases, it [I]is[/I] used solely by lazy guitarists. I agree, some riffs are easier to play in drop D. Like Incubus - Echo for example, which is almost impossible to play in E maj in standard tuning. [U]However[/U] (I'm going overboard with the vbCode, aren't I?), the vast majority just drop the E so they can play power chords with one finger.

[QUOTE=mutant!]In most cases, it [I]is[/I] used solely by lazy guitarists. I agree, some riffs are easier to play in drop D. Like Incubus - Echo for example, which is almost impossible to play in E maj in standard tuning. [U]However[/U] (I'm going overboard with the vbCode, aren't I?), the vast majority just drop the E so they can play power chords with one finger.[/QUOTE]why over-complicate things? playing in drop tuning when playing alot of simple powerchord riffs is just far more efficient.

So are you all loving the new album or what?

Do you think it will do as well as Mezmerize?

I really like the new album. I havn't really though whether it will do better than mesmerize, but I suspect not. Hypnotize the single hasn't had the same impact that BYOB had.

Probably not. The hype seems to be down now for hypnotize.

[QUOTE=Kyle]I really like the new album. I havn't really though whether it will do better than mesmerize, but I suspect not. Hypnotize the single hasn't had the same impact that BYOB had.[/QUOTE]


When BYOB came out here nobody was really into it. Then it went crazy
when they rolled through town. I think it will do fine. but probably not as
well as mez

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]But what if you want to use a low C?[/QUOTE]
Or an A2? Or a D1? You see what I mean, you can just keep wanting to go lower and lower and lower but then you're not playing guitar anymore. Just get a bass or something. Idk, this is a pretty useless debate actually, and I apologize. My point is just that the instrument has limits and the art lies in finding interesting ways to get around those, not just forcing the instrument lower or whatever.

[QUOTE=mutant!]Or an A2? Or a D1? You see what I mean, you can just keep wanting to go lower and lower and lower but then you're not playing guitar anymore. Just get a bass or something. Idk, this is a pretty useless debate actually, and I apologize. My point is just that the instrument has limits and the art lies in finding interesting ways to get around those, not just forcing the instrument lower or whatever.[/QUOTE]
....unless you want a lower sound. I just dn't see the problem with tuning lower if you can acquire a sound which you really like. It has worked for Daron throughout his career so why change it. When Slash changed his tuning down for Velvet Revolver the results wern't good.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Slash only tuned down for two songs, and that was because Dave Kushner wrote the riffs.[/QUOTE]*Hides from SOP's superior G'n'R related knowledge.

Slayer's "Metal Storm/Face the Slayer" is one of the few songs of theirs in standard tuning, but it's just as heavy as anything else they play, and I like it a lot more too :)

Anyway, I listened to Hypnotize and was quite pleased with it. Needs a few more listens to see where I'll rank it among the rest of their albums, but my stupid CD player keeps stopping all the time for no reason :mad::mad::mad:


I need an iPod.

[QUOTE=Corkofski]hmm, but it also allows the instruments to go deeper than they could before, which adds to systems darker tone

try playing a system song drop tuned, then normally and you will see what i mean[/QUOTE]

Well, they'll have they're dropped tuned guitars for older songs. I think it will be quite intersting. Besides they have strayed away from a heavier sound. I was saying to my friends when we were listening to it, they should do an album like the interlude from U-Fig(the lighter, middle-eastern sounding part). That would be really cool.

Well so far Hypnotize beats Mezmerise. Vicinity of Obscenity brings back memories of s/t.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:[/QUOTE]

:confused:

That sounds like BS, You got some sort of link to the article to confirm this?

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]mutant, I think you're still missing the point.[/QUOTE]
Probably, yes.

To Kyle: if you want a lower sound, let the bass do it. No matter how much you downtune the guitar, the bass is still carrying the low end, isn't it? So rather let the bass play more. Say for example you're playing a D power chord in drop D - you could just as well be in standard tuning, only playing the A and the upper D, and let the bass play the low D and the A above it to support the bottom end. You're still playing a D power chord, but you're letting the lower instrument handle the lower notes. Make sense? Most of my argument is based on the jazz school of thought: that the bass carries the harmonies and the guitar is only there to fill out the middle and upper range.

[U]In conclusion[/U] (ie I don't want to discuss this further because evidently no-one agrees with me): My point is that every instrument should play where it was built to play. Let the bass handle the low-end stuff; give him an overdrive pedal and you should be fine. The guitar is only there to support.

[B]I'm finished[/B], if the rest of you want to keep debating, go for it. I won't.

[QUOTE]It's whiny, annoying, really gets under your skin, and sounds like Tom DeLonge on Blink's first CD.[/QUOTE]

i said this a couple of months ago about mezmerize and some system fans tore the **** out of me telling me i was full of ****. good to see someone agrees

i realise hypnotize is quite religious

My computer won't recognize the CD side of the dual disc and I'm getting extremely pissed. Whatever, I'll just have to do some line-in recording with my mp3 player.

Oh, and I'm on the fence with my opinion of the CD at the moment.

I just bought Hypnotize yesterday and so far I'm really lovin' it.
It was already said but that "banana terrcotta pie" song is awesome!

So do I start listening to mezmerise and then listen to hypnotize. Or do I do it the other way around? Someone thinks that the 2 soldier sides go together.

I heard they go together too...

If you have both Cds on iTunes, because it fades in the next song, then maybe it will sound like the one song?

[QUOTE=DuncMaster V2]I heard they go together too...

If you have both Cds on iTunes, because it fades in the next song, then maybe it will sound like the one song?[/QUOTE]
Soldier Side on Mesmerise is basically the last minute of Soldier Side on Hypnotise.

Does anyone but me think the DVD thing that's on the Dualdisk for Hypnotise that you can get is completely horrible?

[QUOTE=Skit]:confused:

That sounds like BS, You got some sort of link to the article to confirm this?[/QUOTE]
Like I said in was in a guitar world. I'll try to scan and put it in here.

[QUOTE=cigaro88]i realise hypnotize is quite religious[/QUOTE]
I don't believe so, and I'm a christian. Maybe I'm worng though. I have been wrong in the past.