I dont smoke because my grandfather died from lung cancer.

Cigarettes raped my father and turned my mother into a communist.

I have a cousin who developed emphysima (sp?) from smoking. She's now in a wheel chair and has to be hooked up to an oxygen tank every second of every day. The sad thing is, she still smokes.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Oh, come on now, has it ever occured to you that people who smoke would just happen to smoke outside? You anti-smokers are quite something, you get mad when we do it inside, but you also get mad when we do it outside now? Please.

You know what pisses me off? Nowadays, people treat smokers like they're fu[I]c[/I]king murderers or bank robbers. Not every smoker is an inconsiderate motherfu[I]c[/I]ker. I don't blow smoke into people's face, I don't smoke when someone is eating, ... Okay, if you can't handle the smoke, I can understand that, when you're in a small room, you shouldn't smoke if it irritates someone (physically! not just fuc[COLOR="White"]k[/COLOR]ers that like to say how stuuuupid smokers are) and I would never do that.

People who do that are just a[COLOR="White"]s[/COLOR]sholes, who happen to smoke. What I can't appreciate is, when you're smoking a cigarette outside, waiting for the bus or tram, whatever. And someone who stands next to you is giving you a nasty look. I mean, come on, all you have to do is to go stand a bit further. Just because you don't smoke, doesn't mean you're better and that we should obey your every wish.

All too often, smokers are described as criminals, it's ridiculous, if everyone stopped smoking, the economy would crash like a plane in a tower. It's a habit, yeah, but fortunately for people who don't like that habit, it can be forbidden in certain places, which can't be said of other nasty habits. So quit treating us like s[COLOR="White"]h[/COLOR]it. :mad:[/QUOTE]

Jelle, you have so many freaking good points dude... I don't get why people act like smoking is horrifying or evil... I personally enjoy the smell, but I hat e the taste... it won't kill you to be around it every now and then, don't give me that second hand smoke bull****. People need to learn to deal with things they don't like.

[QUOTE=Eggo]Cigarettes raped my father and turned my mother into a communist.[/QUOTE]
:o

That is horrible...where they finaly stomped on?




/lame joke

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Jelle, you have so many freaking good points dude... I don't get why people act like smoking is horrifying or evil... I personally enjoy the smell, but I hat e the taste... it won't kill you to be around it every now and then, don't give me that second hand smoke bull****. People need to learn to deal with things they don't like.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.pubmed.gov[/url]

Search second hand smoke and research it yourself :-)

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Jelle, you have so many freaking good points dude... I don't get why people act like smoking is horrifying or evil... I personally enjoy the smell, but I hat e the taste... it won't kill you to be around it every now and then, don't give me that second hand smoke bull****. People need to learn to deal with things they don't like.[/QUOTE]
[I]What[/I] second-hand smoking bullsh[size=2]it[/size]? Statistics prove that it's dangerous.

I said to be around it every now and then... read the entire sentence... most of the people who complain about second hand smoke are hardly ever exposed to it.

[QUOTE]This is doesn't apply to Belgium, but I'd like to point this out anyway:

Cigarettes kill more people each year than firearms in America and they are an incredible burden to America's healthcare system...I don't see how the economy would crash. In fact, it would be an incredible boost to the economy.

Anyway, why should so much money be taken away from profound research and serious patient care and sacrificed to people who are suffering from something that could have been prevented?[/QUOTE]

Sure it applies to Belgium, it kills loads of people.

But do you know how much money is spent on cigarettes every year? Cigarette companies employ thousands of people and they are major sponsors for so many things, so they affect jobs indirectly as well. If everyone just stopped buying cigarettes, just like that? I think it would crash, I'm pretty sure it would.


[QUOTE]Anyway, why should so much money be taken away from profound research and serious patient care and sacrificed to people who are suffering from something that could have been prevented?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and why should you treat people with AIDS? They could have prevented it if they had been more careful. Come on, man.


[QUOTE]All it takes is one look at my grandfather and my uncle to understand why I shouldn't smoke.

And, sorry, but people who smoke piss me off regardless. It's pure stupidity to even start smoking the damn things. That includes you polite smokers.[/QUOTE]

I never said you should smoke, it's probably better that you don't. If you don't enjoy it, stay away from it.

Ok, it's pretty stupid. So is driving drunk, so is staying with a husband who beats you up, so is wearing a fu[I]c[/I]king mullet in public. But does it concern you? No. Are they forcing you to do the same? No. Is it your business? No.

So why should you get pissed about it? Are you gonna fight all stupidity in the world? Good luck.

It is my business when it can affect me. Second hand smoking is still putting something in a person's lungs that person doesn't want, regardless of how much it is.

Seriously, smokers just chop away at their throats and lungs slowly, and they take other people down with them. Where are the advantages?

[QUOTE=Kage]It's still putting something in a person's lungs that person doesn't want, regardless of how much it is.

Seriously, smokers just chop away at their throats and lungs slowly, and they take other people down with them. Where are the advantages?[/QUOTE]

While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Sure it applies to Belgium, it kills loads of people.

But do you know how much money is spent on cigarettes every year? Cigarette companies employ thousands of people and they are major sponsors for so many things, so they affect jobs indirectly as well. If everyone just stopped buying cigarettes, just like that? I think it would crash, I'm pretty sure it would.[/quote]

The amount of money wasted in healthcare for all the damage caused by cigarettes is several degrees of magnitude greater than the money spent on cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Yeah, and why should you treat people with AIDS? They could have prevented it if they had been more careful. Come on, man.[/QUOTE]

You know this is an extremely bad counterexample to use :-)

Epidemiologically, AIDS is now being sustained through the transfer of the HIV virus from mother to child. Something that the child has no control over.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]I said to be around it every now and then... read the entire sentence... most of the people who complain about second hand smoke are hardly ever exposed to it.[/QUOTE]

That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.

Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.[/QUOTE]
If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.

Stopping driving cars is not really a plausible solution to anything.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I have a cousin who developed emphysima (sp?) from smoking. She's now in a wheel chair and has to be hooked up to an oxygen tank every second of every day. The sad thing is, she still smokes.[/QUOTE]

My dad is dangerously close to emphysema, so he cut back to 1/3 pack a day. That's still 10 cigarettes daily, though.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]
I forgot this too: Mixes well with girls.

[/QUOTE]

Drinking is a social lubricant. A little bit gets you in there, but too much and you shoot through to the other side.

[QUOTE=Leukeh]I try not to get drunk. I'll drink sure, but getting off my face just isn't me. I don't enjoy it. Consequences++[/QUOTE]

Same for me. Plus I'm a tank (not boasting or anything) so it's expensive to get drunk, especially out on the town.

[QUOTE=Cain]

And don't even get me started on the rocket scientists that got us to the moon.[/QUOTE]

:lol: "Where would we be without scientists?"

"Probably without memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you heartless bastard".

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]It wouldn't be so bad if I could drive. Not that I would br driving that far at this point, but then I'd at least have a much better chance. Although I'm of age, I haven't even started driving yet, which really sucks. :( I'm quite sure I'm the last out of everyone in my class at school who doesn't drive.

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone here like Apocalyptica?[/QUOTE]

I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]An '80's Action Hero like say...CHUCK NORRIS!!?!

omgomgprovoking

Anyways, oh, right, so then they do have you by the nuts. :( How about hairnets? Those are always kind of funny for a day or two.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I'd feel like an idiot once the novelty wore off.

[QUOTE=Cain]Why then is she no longer active on the boards? She seems to have enjoyed herself when she was here. Would it be awkward and such?

I imagine it would be, given a second thought to the BH/BC debacle.[/QUOTE]

My girlfriend posts on MX. She usually lurks though. She's posted in the Classic Rock thread a few times.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

Again, an extremely slippery counterexample.

Automative transporation is a necessary evil in this modern world while cigarettes...What are they?

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.[/QUOTE]

Yay for people who don't know s[font=verdana]hit about science!

[QUOTE=Superpeer]That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.

Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

Yay for still more people who don't know sh[/font]it about science!

[QUOTE=Kage]If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.

Stopping driving cars is not really a plausible solution to anything.[/QUOTE]

A lot of things are easily preventable, and if you think making smoking cigarettes illegal would be easier than making people stop driving, you're mistaken... didn't you ever hear of the alchohol prohibition?

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Yay for people who don't know s[font=verdana]hit about science![/QUOTE]

I know that was a retarded post, I wanted to edit it but I lagged to **** directly after posting it.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.[/QUOTE]
Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]My dad is dangerously close to emphysema, so he cut back to 1/3 pack a day. That's still 10 cigarettes daily, though.



Drinking is a social lubricant. A little bit gets you in there, but too much and you shoot through to the other side.



Same for me. Plus I'm a tank (not boasting or anything) so it's expensive to get drunk, especially out on the town.



:lol: "Where would we be without scientists?"

"Probably without memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you heartless bastard".



I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.



Haha, I'd feel like an idiot once the novelty wore off.



My girlfriend posts on MX. She usually lurks though. She's posted in the Classic Rock thread a few times.[/QUOTE]
Who be this riva???

ATTN: I Am Vikingcore

This isn't the best of ways to get a hold of you, but the "other" forums have been revived, and if you're still interested with it, you should come have a look!

[QUOTE=Superpeer]That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.[/QUOTE]
Oh, you mean like a concert venue? You could say, "Well, you choose to put yourself in that situation," but we shouldn't have to be plagued with harm when we're paying customers seeing a show.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]A lot of things are easily preventable, and if you think making smoking cigarettes illegal would be easier than making people stop driving, you're mistaken... didn't you ever hear of the alchohol prohibition?[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about making it illegal. I think people should learn to use their heads and just stop doing it. Education is the key, not law.

[QUOTE=Animosity]ATTN: I Am Vikingcore

This isn't the best of ways to get a hold of you, but the "other" forums have been revived, and if you're still interested with it, you should come have a look![/QUOTE]

Send me the link on AIM, sn is i am vikingcore.

BTW I finally got an Animosity cd.... freaking awesome.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.[/QUOTE]


I like Apocalyptica also.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Send me the link on AIM, sn is i am vikingcore.

BTW I finally got an Animosity cd.... freaking awesome.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid I don't have AIM, my computer can't get it....

MSN??

EDIT: And you know Animosity to me isn't that Metalcore band, it's a Corrosion of Conformity album!

[QUOTE=Deconstruction]Who be this riva???[/QUOTE]

Who be where with the what now?

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?

[QUOTE=Animosity]I'm afraid I don't have AIM, my computer can't get it....

MSN??

EDIT: And you know Animosity to me isn't that Metalcore band, it's a Corrosion of Conformity album![/QUOTE]

That animosity band is NOT metalcore... I cannot begin to comprehend how people could call them that...

and I know, you said that on the [I]other[/I] forums, but you made me think of that, :lol:.

My MSN is [email]i_am_vikingcore@gmail.com[/email]

[QUOTE]It is my business when it can affect me. Second hand smoking is still putting something in a person's lungs that person doesn't want, regardless of how much it is.

Seriously, smokers just chop away at their throats and lungs slowly, and they take other people down with them. Where are the advantages?[/QUOTE]

I didn't know you were that ultra fragile. The tiny little damage it does, heals, like a scratch. The bad elements in smoke are destroyed in your body, it's only when you repeatedly keep inhaling it that it will do damage.

Advantages? It's enjoyable for smokers, that's it. Like fastfood is enjoyable but doesn't do anyone much good.


[QUOTE]The amount of money wasted in healthcare for all the damage caused by cigarettes is several degrees of magnitude greater than the money spent on cigarettes.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't crash. They should've stopped it when it started, it's too late now, it's part of the economy, and you'll have to live with it.

And besides, do you want everyone to live to grow 90 years old? There are too many people anyway, some people need to die every once in a while, and hey, might as well be those stupid smokers. Gives the doctors something to do, too.

[QUOTE]You know this is an extremely bad counterexample to use :-)

Epidemiologically, AIDS is now being sustained through the transfer of the HIV virus from mother to child. Something that the child has no control over.[/QUOTE]

Okay, here's another example, why waste money on people who stuff their face all day and get heart problems and whatnot from being too damn fat. Like, let's say, 50% (made up number) of the country you live in?

Why not ban unhealthy food? Sure, it's enjoyable, but so is smoking. Not every smoker dies. Only the people that go overboard and/or are unlucky, just like the fat people.


[QUOTE]If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.[/QUOTE]

I think a car produces juuust a bit more smoke than a person who smokes.

That's up to other people to decide.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Who be where with the what now?



Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?[/QUOTE]
Your girlfriend...

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?[/QUOTE]
...

I've only heard their new self-titled album, but I love it. Lead sent me Plays Metallica by Four Cellos which I have yet to listen to.