Ha, I'm 20, it gets bad after three days because I let it. Technically I need to shave every day to look non shadowy but I dont

I'm booooored.

Got anything else I can make fun of you about?

I like Dashboard Confessional

Haha

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;13425614]Cause Reagan was an idiot. And couldn't cover his tracks well enough. It's plausible. Plus, we screwed ourselves over in the end because now we are blamin Iran for ****.[/QUOTE]
domestic political backlash aside, the plan still didn't work. in addition, it was funding an already established opposition. so i doubt it could work in north korea, where one doesn't even exist. but even if it could, there would be two things to consider. one is the possible consequences of overthrowing a government in possession of nuclear weapons. how could we ensure that kim jong il wouldn't use his nukes in a last act of retaliation? and two, there is little chance that china would sit by while the north korean government was overthrown by a US backed opposition.

honestly, i have no clue what should be done about this. they've tried all practical options short of military action. clinton tried appeasing. that didn't work. bush tried taking a hard line, that didn't work. then bush tried diplomacy. none of it worked. it seems like no matter what, north korea was going to get nuclear weapons and they won't give them up unless we take them. but military action could definitely cause some trouble. so hopefully all those people in the government that are smarter and more knowledgable than me can figure out what to do.

let's quit the sh[I]i[/I]t no one cares about.

and by that i mean the useless regurging of facts we hear on the news/read in books about this conflict.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;13426763]let's quit the sh[I]i[/I]t no one cares about.

and by that i mean the useless regurging of facts we hear on the news/read in books about this conflict.[/QUOTE]
i don't see that. i see people analyzing the situation for themselves, forming their own opinions, and discussing them.

fags

i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.

[QUOTE=srt-4;13426805]i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.[/QUOTE]

"We Stood Transfixed..." is my favorite song from them. I like the new CD.

So gav, wut's the deal with the wrist?

[QUOTE=spammymcspamspam;13426802]fags[/QUOTE]
Oh s[SIZE="2"]hi[/SIZE]t you're right, let me suck your dick.

I love drinking!

[QUOTE=BloodThirstyGuillotine;13426839]"We Stood Transfixed..." is my favorite song from them. I like the new CD.[/QUOTE]
ya, thats a good one, i think i'm liking "a message of avarice..." a little better though. but to me their new stuff sounds me explosions in the sky-ish and less like their old sound. nothing on the new one stacks up to the first three tracks off the last one to me. but maybe my opinion will change with a few more listens.

[QUOTE=spammymcspamspam;13426802]fags[/QUOTE]

Nice.

What's up?

-Gav

[QUOTE=srt-4;13426805]i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.[/QUOTE]

weird.

i think it's a lot better.

espeically since it doesn't have those annoying "noise" sections.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;13427865]weird.

i think it's a lot better.

espeically since it doesn't have those annoying "noise" sections.[/QUOTE]
ya, i didn't like those. i think track 4 would have been better without all that. the second half of at the soundless dawn was definitely weaker in my opinion.

i guess now that i'm thinking about it, this one is better as a whole. but i don't think anything on it tops the first couple tracks on the old one. those first two tracks just had such a big, layered, unique sound. i don't think they really recaptured that. most of the stuff i like best on the new one is that more minimalistic eits type sound, rather than the big soundscapes i liked most on the other one.

but i still really like every red heart and would take it over just about anything else in the genre. and maybe in a couple more listens i'll change my mind.

Srt, you're very educated. I talked about my plan or whatever with my friends and stuff and I came to the same conclusion. It would be too hard to pull off considering the reign of terror that Kim has over his people. And South Korea can't do **** either.

It's a shame that we really spoiled the whole no questions asked assassination thing back when we had pre-eminance by taking out people that hurt our economic interests (ie: the Shah of Iran). Because that could really work well for us now.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;13428862]Srt, you're very educated. I talked about my plan or whatever with my friends and stuff and I came to the same conclusion. It would be too hard to pull off considering the reign of terror that Kim has over his people. And South Korea can't do **** either.

It's a shame that we really spoiled the whole no questions asked assassination thing back when we had pre-eminance by taking out people that hurt our economic interests (ie: the Shah of Iran). Because that could really work well for us now.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the compliment.

the shah was our guy. we were keeping him in power. khomeini overthrew him in a coup that was based in no small part on opposition to the shah's connection to the US. the iran-contra affair was actually funding revolution in nicaragua against the sandinistas. iran came into play because we were selling weapons to khomeini's government in iran in exchange for him using his influence to get hostages freed that had been taken in lebanon. which he never did. but the money from selling those weapons was then used to fund insurgent groups in nicaragua, the main group being the contras.

the thing that really did in assassinations carried out by the US was the church committee. which was basically a senate commission that uncovered a ton of cia secrets. as a result, strict limitations were placed on the agency, such as the proscription of assissination of foreign leaders.

you're knowledgable too, most people that weren't alive at the time haven't even heard of the shah.

Am I thinking of Mohammad Mossadegh then?

ya, hes who we took down for the shah

And I knew that the Iran-Contra affair was different than the installation of the Shah. Didn't mean to make it look like I thought they were the same.

[QUOTE=srt-4;13429020]ya, hes who we took down for the shah[/QUOTE]

Word, my mistake. Didn't we take out someone in some Central or South American country too?

We did that a lot.

-Gav

[url]http://history-matters.com/archive/church/reports/ir/contents.htm[/url]

check that out, if you're intrested in that stuff. its the church committee's info on foreign assassination activities.

the cia was out of control, but after the committee, congress went overboard with the restrictions. thats why the cia has had so much trouble with al qaeda, iraq before the invasion, iran currently, ect. its ability to gather human intelligence was destroyed. bush has worked to undo a lot of it, but it will take a long time.

So you think the misinformation in Iraq was due to intelligence restrictions?

oh, and i definitely haven't read all of those findings, so if you read through it, you'll know a bunch of stuff i don't.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;13429096]So you think the misinformation in Iraq was due to intelligence restrictions?[/QUOTE]
ya, the cia had no idea. almost all of that intelligence was very old or from the intelligence services of other nations. hussein knew how to hide his stuff from the air, and after the church committee gutted the cia's abilities, everybody knew we had no human intelligence capabilities. almost everybody was looking at spy satellites and ****. nobody was really going out and getting people to give up info. so the cia was almost completely in the dark about what was really going on inside iraq.

also, i don't remember exactly the quote in one of his books i read, but kissinger talking about his experiences, and long before the second iraq war, said something like the president leads intelligence. even if its not overtly, if its an unclear issue, the intelligence is naturally going to learn towards what the president wants to here due to the internal dynamics of the cia and nsc.

since the cia didn't really know what was going on, they pretty much just told the president what he wanted to here and said it was their best guess.

The world needs to itp.

What the world needs now
Is love sweet love
It's the only thing
That there's just too little of

<3

Converge lyrics?

What the world needs now
Is love to take to the grave
I felt the coldest of winters coming
Run on, girl, run on

[url]http://www.myspace.com/hopesfall[/url]

New demo from their upcoming album.

Wait, did all of our political talk get deleted?

No, it's all here man.

What do you mean

It's all on the last page

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;13431243]Wait, did all of our political talk get deleted?[/QUOTE]

I deleted it. I'm "the man" and want you all to be political and social sheep with no thoughts. O_O

Srsly, though, I encourage political talk in here just don't be douche bags about it and start flaming/spamming a ton. It's basically always been that way in here. Talk about whatsoever your heart desires as long as it's not spam. I say you can; racism, drugs, sex, whatevz. We're all adults that post here and if kids under 13 are registered and reading it and a lawsuit comes about, Jeremy's protected because he says you gotta be at least 13 to post and parents should control what their children see on the internet, not site admins. It's not their problem.

If an admin comes in here, though, and says you're in trouble for racism, drug talk, etc., say I said it was cool. I'll get in trouble but whatevz. Wintermute and I get along (really close on the boards) and so do mx and I. It shouldn't be a problem but if it happens...oh well.

-Gav

Why does everyone like Cap'n Jazz? I think the vocals in that band are so queer.

Kinsella vocals rule

Cap'n Jazz is closer to indie than post-hardcore/emo though, it's sort of where midwest reared its head

Yeah, I always wondered why people call them emo/post-hardcore. They sound REALLY indie to me.

I love midwest emo, so I love Cap'n Jazz and everything in that genre.

I love his voice and his lyrics.

IIIIIIII
I AM A PUPPYYYYYYY

It's the limit of emo as it approaches indie.

/just envoked calculus to describe music...omfg

So I may change my major from chemistry to physics.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;13433209]Why does everyone like Cap'n Jazz? I think the vocals in that band are so queer.[/QUOTE]


Find the inverse of Justins opinion and multiply by 299,792,458.

/more fun with math

Cap'n Jazz is one of the few bands that acutally blends emo with like indie pop.