[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13311756]Well, Gigantour was today. Although the Congress theater (Chicago) is really cool looking, to be honest I wasn't really impressed with the acoustics/sound. The first couple of bands sounded like noise, basically...not really the fault of the bands, although I did notice that when I could hear things clearly, they still didn't sound very good. Into Eternity were pretty good, although they don't seem to have quite found themselves yet...they were kinda missing the sort of charisma one would hope to see in a live band. Overkill were...well...pretty cheesy and kinda annoying. We get it. You're old. Congratulations! :thumb: Music wasn't bad, but singer was a douche.

Arch Enemy was probably the best set of the night, although the sound was still somewhat pooey and it was at times hard to hear Angela. Still a pretty good show, though.

Opeth was good, but subpar by Opeth standards. This was my 3rd time seeing them, and they were not at their best IMO. Mikael's growls were sounding a little thin - kinda like on that one live video someone posted recently from Rock AM. Axe is getting better, especially during the metal parts, but the softer songs are still really suffering. He absolutely butchered Windowpane, and I almost found it difficult to listen to one of my favorite Opeth songs. When Mikael said "we have some songs that are metal, and some songs that are NOT metal," I couldn't help but think to myself: "TELL THAT TO AXENROT!!" :rolleyes: It was too slow, and it felt like he was dragging it down, making the song feel depressing and just...not right.

Deliverance was pretty good, but the band kinda fell apart during the outro. You could tell that Axe was way off several times, and the lead line (Mikael, I believe) was out of synch with the rhythm section at one point as well.

Honestly, I think Opeth needs to chill the **** out for a little while and maybe record another album or something. I know that I said earlier in the thread that I'd rather they tour, but...not if it means that their performance is going to suffer for it.[/QUOTE]


I was there too. Where were you?

The next night I did Sahg/1349/Celtic Frost at the Vic, which was a much better show than Gigantour.

[QUOTE==-fukifiknow-=;13324886]To Bid You Farewell live.... man... that would be utterly incredible. wow[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows it's true, so why doesn't the band freakin' play it already! It's easily the best song on Morningrise.

And I read that long report on the Chicago show...that's rather sad. I do agree that they need to put out a new album soon though, they've been touring practically non stop and Axenrot apparently needs to learn his parts.

*crys* I want Lopez back. :upset:

They played Bleak when I saw them in November '05...they also played Under The Weeping Moon in the same set. I don't think I had Orchid back then unfortunately.

Would they ever do TBYF live? Like... I can't imagine that they'd use clean electrics...and if they used acoustics, who would play the heavy part?

I realise that they always play songs with electrics and play the clean/"Acoustic" parts with them, but the acoustic is far more prominent on TBYF. Wouldn't sound good.

Does anyone else agree that the end of Harlequin Forest is a little too similar to the end of Deliverance?

I don't find it to be similar in anything other than mindset, and it was pretty obviously written with that kind of rhythmic type of part in mind.

[QUOTE=Thor;13326495]And I read that long report on the Chicago show...that's rather sad. I do agree that they need to put out a new album soon though, they've been touring practically non stop and Axenrot apparently needs to learn his parts.

*crys* I want Lopez back. :upset:[/QUOTE]

He plays the parts but he's so rigid and he can't do the great snare stuff as well as Lopez.

I'm kind of skeptical about new material from Opeth. I don't want to notice the change of a drummer when I hear it.

Man, if Axengay isn't as dynamic and is more rigid than Martin was, we're in trouble.

Are you implying that Martin Lopez is a bad drummer?

:lol: Reading back on that, I can see how you got that I was connotating that. No, no. That was terrible wording.

Let's just say, a big part of Opeth's success was the fact that Lopez was very dynamic and not rigid.

So if this new drummer is not dynamic and is rigid, we're in trouble.

I think more metal drummers need to learn a thing or two from Lopez.

Opeth are playing in december in europe again... it would be funny if they come back to vienna exactly one year after i've seen them...

Axe lacks the subleties...he pounds away on his drums pretty well, but he lacks the light touch.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future;13328595]Axe lacks the subleties...he pounds away on his drums pretty well, but he lacks the light touch.[/QUOTE]
Right.

For me, that makes a bad drummer. No matter how good his chops might be.

Maybe he should just trigger the living crap out of his drums, and they could find a way to trigger them to sound like they do on Damnation. :lol:

Maybe he'll torture the drums in order to get a good sound.

Axe: OK Bass drum play lightly or I'll smack you bitch! :angry:
Bass drum:[size=1] dum dum dum[/size]
Axe: And you! Snare!
*snare runs*

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan;13328817]Maybe he'll torture the drums in order to get a good sound.

Axe: OK Bass drum play lightly or I'll smack you bitch! :angry:
Bass drum:[size=1] dum dum dum[/size]
Axe: And you! Snare!
*snare runs*[/QUOTE]

..........

(cricket)

*cough*...

Gay babies.

[QUOTE=repcak;13328525]Opeth are playing in december in europe again... it would be funny if they come back to vienna exactly one year after i've seen them...[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it will be one year and one day since I've seen them, when they come in November.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future;13328672]Maybe he should just trigger the living crap out of his drums, and they could find a way to trigger them to sound like they do on Damnation. :lol:[/QUOTE]

The thing with damnation is the drums are SO dynamic, that even playing with samples taken directly from the track, would hurt it more than help. :lol:

Give Axe a chance though. Remember that Lopez came from a stint in Amon Amarth where he didn't show the amazing soft playing that he displayed in Opeth. It was basically all double kick and stuff. And besides it is always harder to play someone else’s stuff, especially from the diverse background that Lopez had so Axe needs time.

As well, there is a lot of pressure on Axe to perform. Before Opeth, he had never toured much before so this is a new experience for him. In time he will get better at Lopez's drumming style as he finds his place in the band.

Axenrot has a classical background but his speciality is in extreme drumming styles. I think in time he will develop his own sound with Opeth. He certainly will not be a Lopez clone but I don't see why anyone would want him to be. Lopez was amazing and no one could replace him (except maybe Gene Hoglan), and I look forward for Axe to bring his own style to Opeth and until a new album comes out I won't be judging him.

I think they should just put Gene Hoglan in, that sexy beast. :naughty:

I don't really get all the hype behind Gene Hoglan.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan;13328817]Maybe he'll torture the drums in order to get a good sound.

Axe: OK Bass drum play lightly or I'll smack you bitch! :angry:
Bass drum:[size=1] dum dum dum[/size]
Axe: And you! Snare!
*snare runs*[/QUOTE]

:p :p you really need a girlfriend

[QUOTE=Kage;13330359]I don't really get all the hype behind Gene Hoglan.[/QUOTE]

...And you've heard Symbolic/Individual Thought Patterns? :eek: Those are probably two of the best metal drumming records of all time! (the former being one of the best metal albums altogether).

I listened to Damnation last night and it made me sad. Not because the music is depressing, but because it was Lopez at his best. :(

"Metal" being the operative word.

Hoglan busts out some incredible patterns though, you can't deny it.

Christy > Hoglan

:)

[QUOTE=Kage;13330397]"Metal" being the operative word.[/QUOTE]
Well, Gene Hoglan is pretty godly. It's not like he can't play jazz fusion either, I mean, you'd have to in order to pull some of his Death era drumming.

[QUOTE=Moses;13330665]Well, Gene Hoglan is pretty godly. It's not like he can't play jazz fusion either, I mean, you'd have to in order to pull some of his Death era drumming.[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard much of his stuff.

Then again, I rather Christy on The Sound of Perseverance then Gene on Symbolic. Though both are very good.

[QUOTE=Kage;13330359]I don't really get all the hype behind Gene Hoglan.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Don't get me wrong, he's a great drummer, but every live bootleg I've heard him play on he plays sloppily. Even when I saw SYL live, I was dissapointed. He just isn't as good as people make him out to be IMO.

[QUOTE=3FingeredHoek;13330909]I agree. Don't get me wrong, he's a great drummer, but every live bootleg I've heard him play on he plays sloppily. Even when I saw SYL live, I was dissapointed. He just isn't as good as people make him out to be IMO.[/QUOTE]

Lies. This is not sloppy, this is godly. The atmoic clock. \m/

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLV1riie3a4[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tv97pLNczM[/url]

I'm sorry, but I am not the least bit impressed by that.

Okay so maybe it's just me..

But what makes Strapping Young Lad so good?

The short answer is nothing.

I don't like them. I've tried to because I'm in love with Devin Townsend's solo band.

[QUOTE=Spoonful of Shame;13331497]Lies. This is not sloppy, this is godly. The atmoic clock. \m/

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLV1riie3a4[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tv97pLNczM[/url][/QUOTE]

It pains me to say this, because I'm such a huge SYL fan.

On In the Rainy Season, listen to the double bass fill at 1:21.

Gene messes up a number of times in the second video. Listen to the double bass run right before All Hail the New Flesh starts.

Maybe I'm being overly critical, but his sloppiness is distracting.

Has no one here heard Dark Angel's Darkness Descends?

[QUOTE=Kage;13331525]I'm sorry, but I am not the least bit impressed by that.[/QUOTE]

Well you are entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with that.

In regards to Opeth, they called Gene up one day before they needed him on tour. Well he said yes, took a cd and just listened a couple of songs and he filled in for them on a few tour dates because of Lopez's illness. Say what you want about him but many people within the metal community respect him for all the work he has done over the years.

[quote]Okay so maybe it's just me..

But what makes Strapping Young Lad so good?[/quote]

Well that is a very personal question. What makes any band good or bad? I like Strapping because it was the first metal show I had ever seen live and they impressed me. As well, they are Canadian (3/4's actually, Gene is from Texas). I can't really give you an answer as too why I like them. I just simply enjoy listening to their music and have been impressed by all 3 times I have seen them live.

[quote]On In the Rainy Season, listen to the double bass fill at 1:21.

Gene messes up a number of times in the second video. Listen to the double bass run right before All Hail the New Flesh starts.

Maybe I'm being overly critical, but his sloppiness during live shows is distracting.[/quote]

I think you are being overly critical. Like I am not a drummer but he keeps the beat good through the songs. Like it just seems to me you are trying to nit-pick each little thing. All I am saying is that I personally feel like he is a great drummer. Numerous bands have said so, including Opeth. Opeth needed someone on very short notice like I said earlier to fill in and they picked Gene because of his skill I am assuming.

I haven't even touched on his other projects, like Dark Angel, Death, Testament, his work with Devin Townsend.

Btw, way back in the day he played drums during the sound check for Slayer while they were on tour.

Gene has my respect.

Gene is a great drummer but those vids sucked. Find some vids where he plays with Death.

Those vidoes really did suck.