classical metal = heavy metal....

power metal? sure....

I don't know about opening it up to rock - this forum is called rock and metal but really only metal is discussed here anyway

[QUOTE=Stevie II;16309959]OK, great. I'd prefer a sticky thread rather than a list at the start of each thread - that could easily be ignored. I can't think right now how to organize this...perhaps open the respective threads to nominations and perhaps create a new thread for genres that don't have a thread in itself, e.g. heavy metal, then pool them together into a voting thread or something - or, any other suggestions?

Which genres? I'd say,

black metal
death metal
heavy metal
grind
thrash metal
doom metal

any others?

I'd like to stress though that it's not a matter of favorite albums in the genres, but rather the essential albums to get started with the genre. This should be good![/QUOTE]

you forget that the metalcore thread has more discussion going on than heavy mettle and thrash

If we do not have "Rock" roundtable discussions then the only genre I will be able to weigh in on is metalcore!

Besides, rock still gets discussed here more than anywhere else (alt/indie doesnt count)

I would opt for a traditional metal tag over a classical or heavy metal tag, just because it would better set the stage for the other genres.

Rock will work as well, obviously. There are going to be albums that transcend genres (progressive - Pink Floyd compared to... Opeth? or something). We need to come up with the rock genres as well, though.

Glam will have to be one genre throw a bone at Spat Out Plath.

My suggestions for metal would go like this:

Traditional
Death
Black
Doom (I guess.)
Thrash
Power
Folk/Viking/Pirate/Ninja/Norse/Nordic/etc.
Grind
Nu/Alternative (Industrial could fit here as well I suppose)

For Rock, I would say:

Traditional
Classic
Jam
Hard/Glam
Grunge

Then, other genres:

Metalcore
Progressive (there should be a distinction between prog rock and prog metal)

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These are only suggestions, not set in stone or anything.

Also, I want to know how you guys are going to score this in terms of a rubric.

e.g. Nominate five albums under a stratified scoring system:

1. 11 points
2. 7 points
3. 4 points
4. 2 points
5. 1 point

But if you want them weighted equally, that's fine as well, but I think having that stratification will help once more and more people contribute.

Also: while a dumb rule, there should be a specific postcount set (i.e., don't accept any posts that have < X posts [say 100, just for example) as well as no alternate accounts.

Folk/Viking metal and grind should be included too, but it sounds good otherwise.

The only problem I have is that there will inevitably be arguments over albums' placement in genres. For instance, I don't want to see Blackwater Park to be in both death, progressive, and traditional metal (this is just an example).

Also, are we doing the thread all in one, or are we breaking it up by each genre? I figure an all-in-one thing will be easy if people copypasta the form in the first post, which would look like this:

Traditional Metal (rank 1-5 in descending order)
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Death Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5

Black Metal
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

. . . etc.

Discussion would wind up taking place in the thread, I suppose. It's going to be a monster thread, but if we keep to a very, very strict timetable, this can be squared away before mid-summer, I think.

[QUOTE=Jom;16310236]The only problem I have is that there will inevitably be arguments over albums' placement in genres. For instance, I don't want to see Blackwater Park to be in both death, progressive, and traditional metal (this is just an example).[/quote]

Yeah, that will happen no matter what. Maybe we can set what genre (for example) Opeth goes under.


[quote]
Also, are we doing the thread all in one, or are we breaking it up by each genre? I figure an all-in-one thing will be easy if people copypasta the form in the first post, which would look like this:
[/QUOTE]

That sounds good to me.

Riva: do you really think that the girl in my link is ugly? can you give me some examples of non-ugly girls then?

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but i have a thing for mildly tattooed and pierced chicks.

Yea...sorry bout that sound-off...i was gunna fix it when i woke up but i got on too late and was already banned. Just tryin to give people a chuckle to start there morning sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings...Any idea on when the ban will be lifted? Thanks for any notice...my bad.

Please discuss review site stuff in the "Sputnik Community" sub-forum.

The album thread stuff is a terrible idea to be honest. It's just going to cause arguments and be taken down.

the number one album for everything would just be Focus or Jane doe anyways

oh yeah, can someone unban Ghoul Hunter. I've only got two more days but am looking for a breakout. :(

[quote=Ghoul Hustler;16310939]The album thread stuff is a terrible idea to be honest. It's just going to cause arguments and be taken down.[/quote]

[quote=Ghoul Hustler;16310967]oh yeah, can someone unban Ghoul Hunter. I've only got two more days but am looking for a breakout. :([/quote]i support both of these statements

who cares if it causes arguments

Or we can just say that your post can only consist of the 'form' and nothing else.

Well, I'll start up a preliminary thread in a little bit just for discussion and see where it goes. pate, is there anything that should be mentioned in the general outline?

jom i dont get the difference between these two:

[quote]Traditional
Classic[/quote]


can u explain

Traditional = Breaking Benjamin
Classic = The Who

I guess.

[QUOTE=Jom;16311208] pate, is there anything that should be mentioned in the general outline?[/QUOTE]

Nothing I can think of at this time.

Classic could be like old school and traditional could be sounds like the roots of a genre or something idk. They probably don't need separation.

Yeah, I meant for Classic Rock to be for... Classic Rock thread bands. The Who, The Eagles, Boston, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Seger, Kansas, and so on.

Traditional is a bad word for it, though, you're right - I just didn't want to say "Mainstream Rock" but that'll be less ambiguous.

So are we ever gonna unsticky the top albums results thread? After all it is May. :lol:

[QUOTE=Stevie II;16309089]:)

aye, i'd like to work on death metal/black metal - we could ask the bm thread, the dm thread etc to list their top 10 albums and then somehow make a top 10 list from that. i'd make one restriction of just one album per band, to give variety to the lists.[/QUOTE]

Cool, looks like its coming together. Seeing the recent discussion in this thread.

EDIT:
I agree with Angmar, unsticky the top album thread.

I've been saying that for months! :lol:

This sounds great :). I didn't expect so many genres, but there's no harm in doing more genres. So these are the genres I'd do:

Black Metal
Death Metal
Traditional/Heavy/Classical metal
Grind
Thrash Metal
Doom Metal
Power Metal
Metalcore
Progressive Metal
Folk/Viking Metal
Traditional Rock
Classic Rock
Hard rock
Grunge

Perhaps?

What I think we should do is you guys perhaps take a genre or two each, and that'd be your responsibility to do. What I'd do is within the respective threads open up for a week any nominations, max 10 per user then collect them together and open up for a week of voting, where people select the 10 from the list they believe is essential. Or, if no thread exists create one for the genre for nominations/voting. I wouldn't have any ranking to the votes as I think it'd be a tedious task to think whether one album is more essential than another - they're both essential!...

As regards to which band belongs to which genre, I don't think it's too important if one band goes across two lists, but what's important should perhaps be where they're most influential. For example, Opeth is more important in progressive metal than in death metal. Or perhaps we could take the band as the genre on metal archives for metal and idk for other genres....

So perhaps a week of voting and then it should be all done, i.e. everything could be done within 2 weeks. Maybe if nobody volunteers for a genre listed then it won't happen, or it could be done at another time and added to the thread.

If you guys agree then we could start nominating tomorrow for a week, ending Wed 14th and then from thurs 15th a week of voting.

Any volunteers then to handle genres? Personally I'd be happy to handle death and black metal, my speciality.

Thanks for helping !...

I'll take on doom metal.

Power and traditional metal


Also, I think it should be kept to one album per band, so the traditional metal list isn't half taken up by Iron Maiden, etc.

[QUOTE=pate;16312253]Power and traditional metal


Also, I think it should be kept to one album per band, so the traditional metal list isn't half taken up by Iron Maiden, etc.[/QUOTE]

yeah i think that's important - it gives variety to it. so I'd accept nominations and votes for multiple albums but the final list wouldn't include more than 1 from any artist.

I can do Jam.

I can do metalcore.

Let's move all the Definitive Albums discussion to the appropriate thread, lads. Glad to see the forum getting involved in something again, though. 'Twas a good idea of Stevie's, to be sure.

Hey sexy mods, can I get a new avatar? I would appreciate that :)

[url]http://emfinstitute.emf.org/exhibits/images/philips260.jpg[/url]

In celebration of my yearlong membership and 18th birthday (which were both recent but not today), as well as me being awesome in general, I am going to request that the mods grant me this avatar:

[url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9059/athfum4.jpg[/url]

thank you

it's actually quite simple:

write an essay with an abstract

link picture of avatar

have it changed at moderator's discretion



seriously i don't understand how people find this process so difficult

you can close this thread:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556403[/url]

stick this one:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16322962#post16322962[/url]

thanks

[QUOTE=Txus;16317757]Hey sexy mods, can I get a new avatar? I would appreciate that :)

[url]http://emfinstitute.emf.org/exhibits/images/philips260.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=masscows;16321660]In celebration of my yearlong membership and 18th birthday (which were both recent but not today), as well as me being awesome in general, I am going to request that the mods grant me this avatar:

[url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9059/athfum4.jpg[/url]

thank you[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MBS;16322866]it's actually quite simple:

write an essay with an abstract

link picture of avatar

have it changed at moderator's discretion



seriously i don't understand how people find this process so difficult[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=repcak;16322945]you can close this thread:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556403[/url]

stick this one:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16322962#post16322962[/url]

thanks[/QUOTE]

No worries, Kacper the Friendly Poster

[QUOTE=masscows;16322232]It would appear as if Riva hates me more than I previously thought.[/QUOTE]

I'm incredibly ambivalent towards you, actually.

[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16321609]yeah riva resized my orchid avatar to 71x71[/QUOTE]

I'm a real hardarse.

Riva doesn't like mikey anymore ;(

you might wanna resize that shiz bro. Cause mods always resize waay too much tbh

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naughty naughty

What's the big deal? Those are fine threads.