Well, if it was four bars of 5/8 it wouldn't be changing time signature every measure.

It makes sense to count rhythms in your head broken up like that but it's a worthy consideration that there's a difference between an accent and a new 1 beat. That said, I'm a huge fan of counting tricky rhythms that way, it's just working smart.

And as for the zero thing, yeah man, I like to try and be in on mathematics even though I'm generally pretty abysmal at actually doing equations and such.

I've read things that seem to point at the English language having a really poor structure for talking about numbers and that one of the reason like, Asian kids are often great at maths is that their native language (if they know it) is engineered better for numerical thinking.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18138022]The thing is entirely written with arpeggios, and each break is a new chord, so with the accents and chord progression, I think it makes sense to throw it in as 20/8 instead of changing time signatures every measure.[/QUOTE]

That's how mine is divided. 3-chord progressions, first is 7 beats, second and third are 5 beats each. I might tell people that it's a 7 5 5 count, but it never varies throughout the song, so that makes me say that it's 17/4.

Yeah, it's pretty clumsy to count it as 20/8. I don't think most people would do that. I'd just call it four bars of 5/8, with phrasing across the barlines.

[quote=gaslight;18138033]Well, if it was four bars of 5/8 it wouldn't be changing time signature every measure.

It makes sense to count rhythms in your head broken up like that but it's a worthy consideration that there's a difference between an accent and a new 1 beat. That said, I'm a huge fan of counting tricky rhythms that way, it's just working smart.

And as for the zero thing, yeah man, I like to try and be in on mathematics even though I'm generally pretty abysmal at actually doing equations and such.

I've read things that seem to point at the English language having a really poor structure for talking about numbers and that one of the reason like, Asian kids are often great at maths is that their native language (if they know it) is engineered better for numerical thinking.[/quote]

It's true, it wouldn't be, but breaking apart the chords by separating into bars of 5 would make things more complex to look at and feel. General syncopated rhythms, I'd happily do 4x 5/8, but this one seems to be better written as 20/8.

The problem is that oriental languages are obnoxiously complex for any sort of communication. I don't know enough about linguistics to make any conjectures about the relation to math other than the vertical reading instead of horizontal. However, that only seems to be beneficial for the Babylonian style mathematics (number-based, heavy calculations), like calculus and algebra. When you start getting into the Greek style (logic, proof-based), that argument is completely thrown out the window. Most of the Asian students in my math structures/intro to proofs class did very poorly, and many dropped.

My geometry professor once said "The Babylonians could look at a ditch and tell you where the center was with exact measurements, but couldn't tell you why it had to be the center. The Greeks could look at the same ditch, and tell you why the center was locatedwhere it was, but couldn't measure it."


[quote=Spaceman Spiff;18138045]That's how mine is divided. 3-chord progressions, first is 7 beats, second and third are 5 beats each. I might tell people that it's a 7 5 5 count, but it never varies throughout the song, so that makes me say that it's 17/4.[/quote]

I see that point, but 7-5-5 + repeat seems like it would be fairly easy to just have it change to a 7/4 time signature every 3 bars. Music notation is fairly subjective, though, so 17/4 is fine.

[quote=fatbandit;18138075]Yeah, it's pretty clumsy to count it as 20/8. I don't think most people would do that. I'd just call it four bars of 5/8, with phrasing across the barlines.[/quote]

I should notate it and have you all look at it. It seems like 20/8 or 5/8-1/8-3/8-5/8-3/8-3/8 + repeat would make more sense when sight-reading than the 4x5/8.

i think a bar of 1/8 would make no sense whatsoever.

If you've got a bar of 1/8 then there's really some fishy business going on.

A good sight reader is going to prefer the bars of 5/8 because they won't be worried by the accents, they'll just read through them - they'll have the facility to count it already so the changing bar lines are just going to be redundant.

A bar of 20/8 or 17/4 would seem like very unwieldy choices to make when notating music.

Notate it up for us, we'll have a go at rearranging it and it'll be fun and everything.

That's why I describe mine by the accents. It can easily be talked about as one bar of 7/4 and two bars of 5/4 repeating, that way you actually know where to play and whatnot. But because it repeats and never strays from that pattern is why I say it's 17/4.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18138100]I should notate it and have you all look at it. It seems like 20/8 or 5/8-1/8-3/8-5/8-3/8-3/8 + repeat would make more sense when sight-reading than the 4x5/8.[/QUOTE]

I am thinking it wouldn't.

Most people would see that many time signatures on the page and panic.

If you want it played right the first time (and this is still a stretch), I would write entirely 5/8 with phrasing over the barlines.

[quote=gaslight;18139462]If you've got a bar of 1/8 then there's really some fishy business going on.

A good sight reader is going to prefer the bars of 5/8 because they won't be worried by the accents, they'll just read through them - they'll have the facility to count it already so the changing bar lines are just going to be redundant.

A bar of 20/8 or 17/4 would seem like very unwieldy choices to make when notating music.

Notate it up for us, we'll have a go at rearranging it and it'll be fun and everything.[/quote]

I wish I had some of my old jazz sheet music, sometimes. We had a ballad that had a few bars of 1/4 written there, and I looked at it confusingly as well.

Today, I've been paid, and I've just gone and spent nearly £50 on cut price CDs from Amazon. I love buying CDs ^_^

I got paid today as well... although my pay wasn't so happily used/invested/spent/whatever. After borrowing 450 dollars from friends and family, was able to pay most of my bills (all but the Visa, which remains maxed out) and have thirty-five dollars left-over. Who says the recession is truly over?

In other news, I'm losing all my overtime because the big project I was working O/T on is wrapping up next Thursday and the company won't let employees charge O/T to overhead. So I think I might go pipelining this winter, which would be the worst job ever but ridiculous, I mean insane amounts of cash. Plus it's all field camp work so I wouldn't have to pay a dime to be there. It seems the last of my musical counterparts is also going to college, so I think that might be the route to take.

PS Spiff, just in case you didn't see my last message with email address and/or were disappointed by my NHL team of choice... leafs fan underscore forty two at hotmail dot com.

Credit cards are the devil.

What's pipelining? Oil rig work?

[QUOTE=gaslight;18141100]Credit cards are the devil.

What's pipelining? Oil rig work?[/QUOTE]

My credit card is fantastic because I like to employ personal responsibility.

My credit card is nearly maxed out, but I haven't been approved for student loans, so I have had to put a majority of my tuition on the credit card every semester. I suspect, if next semester pans out and I can get that damned loan, that I'll have my credit card paid off within the year.

Anybody want to buy a Schecter Studio 6 w/ EMG DCs for $650?

[QUOTE=gaslight;18141100]Credit cards are the devil.

What's pipelining? Oil rig work?[/QUOTE]

a) Credit cards are indeed the devil. I've never been particularly insane with mine, like I've never gone to a bar and blown half the limit or anything. I just haven't cleared enough income in a long time (lack of overtime, aka the disposable income I'm free to work with) to stay on top of it, and it's eventually piled up further and further.

b) Yeah, sort of. Pipeline construction is more oil and gas specific; pipelines are built after the rig finishes drilling. But it's really tedious, boring work - you're busy for about two hours, and then just kinda standing around for four hours. What's worse is the season only begins once you reach freezing temperatures, which means time watching excavators cover the pipe (so it doesn't get hit with rocks and such) passes real slow because you're standing beside a heavy machine blowing diesel exhaust everywhere and you're also frozen solid.

I mean, it has its ups and downs but the vast majority of it is downs. The entire reason I'll go if I do is for the monies. Although I might just get a night job so I can stay at home... I really, really hate pipelining. But then again it's a means to an end, because then I could literally come out of the field and pay almost everything off like now.

I hate being on the fence. heh.

Yeah it's tough. There's always the option of, keep doing what you're doing, or there are unpleasant but really high paying jobs that are always waiting.

Well, I think I'm selling my PA. *sigh*

Better idea, if you won't get a good second hand sale price, make some money out of hiring it out.

You can cover yourself with a safety deposit against any damage, and generate cash out of that for as long as you like. If they break it, you've got cash for it anyway just like selling it, if they don't break it, you can't rent it out again.

Well, folks, I basically tore it up like a man for about two hours straight tonight. Just gave'r at random on a friend of mine's Squier P-Bass (best bass ive evr plaid amirite) but it was ridiculous fun, just stood against the wall and let loose for two hours.

And then I came on hear, noticed Murdererer's ghost avatar has made a triumphant return, and then I powered up to ultra skill three. so excited I just about sharted.

and that's the news. Night, all.

The mixer is just a rackmount mixer and not nearly as versatile as a typical mixer that I need to rent the PA system out.

Oh, well, probably noone will want to buy that either.

Unless you can convince some young dudes starting a band that they'll never gig without their own PA and make them trade their collective Pokemon card collection for it.

[quote=gaslight;18147511]Oh, well, probably noone will want to buy that either.

Unless you can convince some young dudes starting a band that they'll never gig without their own PA and make them trade their collective Pokemon card collection for it.[/quote]

I'll probably have to part it out and sell it separately, although I think the power conditioner, stereo amp, and dual 15-band EQ can probably be lumped together.

The mixer is nice if you need to mic a bunch of things and knock them down to two channels, but you lose most of the EQing per input channel. 6 XLR/trs inputs, 6 gain knobs + master volume, master bass, master treble. I found it great for use with the separate EQs. Ideally, I'd have 3 dual-band EQs so that you could finely EQ each track before the mixer and then just use the master bass/treble to polish the overall sound. That was the intent anyway, but I never found the funds to fully upgrade.

We just bought a cheapo PA for practicing with, since we really didn't have anything to run mics through other than the 1 XLR on my RC-50 (which went into my amp along with my bass... sigh). Much better improvement.

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch;18140823]PS Spiff, just in case you didn't see my last message with email address and/or were disappointed by my NHL team of choice... leafs fan underscore forty two at hotmail dot com.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I've taken so long. I'll get you some stuff soon.

No worries man. When I didn't see a reply I just kinda panicked. Plus with the amount of folks who despise the leafs, I sometimes have to be prepared for pointed messages or total abandonment when I post my electro-mails address.

But I digress.

so, so far I've youtubed a few Maps and Atlases tunes but nothing has matched the pure magic of Everything... got any top picks?

Just put new strings on my MIM Jazz bass; sounds soooo much better. :thumb:

Fishbulb... It's All in Your Mind.

:thumb:

[quote=fishbulb;18148655]Just put new strings on my MIM Jazz bass; sounds soooo much better. :thumb:[/quote]

Try Circle K Strings. You'll never get another brand of string again.

Try Nordstrand NJ4SV's in your bass and then you'll never want another pickup again.

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch;18148191]No worries man. When I didn't see a reply I just kinda panicked. Plus with the amount of folks who despise the leafs, I sometimes have to be prepared for pointed messages or total abandonment when I post my electro-mails address.

But I digress.

so, so far I've youtubed a few Maps and Atlases tunes but nothing has matched the pure magic of Everything... got any top picks?[/QUOTE]

As far as the Leafs thing, I just plain don't like hockey. I'm Torontonian so I'm like, obligated to like them? But I really don't care. I always had a great time watching my Leaf-fan friends get all emotional about their team sucking.

Maps And Atlases, let me check YouTube...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBDJA4BDJg[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjXMsYCKq0[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lebs6ZrckkI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4AUNECD85M[/url]

And you'll get some of my music soon. News is that tracking is complete for our new album. Just mixing and mastering are left.