[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Second solo on Deadwing.

Yeah dude, Tool broke up when Maynard came out of the closet back in '02 to form APC with Billy Howerdell..[/QUOTE]
Man, that solo rocks, dude. It's in this really bizarre mode, and my guitar teacher and I spent two weeks discussing it.

Meh, when I listen to Porcupine Tree, I like to hear the very beautiful, easy to listen to guitar parts. Granted, it's not all like that, but that solo is just way out there. I shouldn't say I don't like it, as it is still quite the solo, but I guess I prefer Wilson's style to Belew's.

So, you know the second solo in Arriving Somewhere But Not Here? Courtesy of Mikael Akerfeldt. I do think that Wilson wrote it though, as it features his signature hammer and slide technique that he displays so often. The first solo in that song..dohhh amazing. I'd reckon to say that is the best use of an E-bow right there. :)

EDIT: Now that I'm fully thinking about the second Deadwing solo, it has occured to me that my favorite part of the song is when it ends. I'm not trying to sound like a douchebag, or anything, but the last note of the solo(the note that is harmonized by some other string insturment) is definitely the climax of the song.

[QUOTE=Moses]That's the biggest sack of bs I've ever heard. I'm a pretty big DT fan and I saw them recently on Gigantour (which was mostly to see them). I listen to them regularly and I've liked them for alot longer than I've liked Symphony X.

Oh and..........

You've never listened to Symphony X have you.

Like I said the technical acrobatics are better judged when seen.

[/QUOTE]

Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that Symphony X are a lot cheesier and not nearly as good of songwriters. You don't know how to express an opinion as just that, an opinion. When you state your opinion as a fact, it makes me lose respect for you. However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."

I remember that Limp Bizkit thing... that song was terrible.

Howerdel should play with tool, he could add great slide guitar, thatd be great I think

I've always wondered what Tool would be like with another guitar player... Adam could stick to what he does best, rhythm, and another guy maybe for leads or something... that probably wouldn't work, but I wonder...

[QUOTE]However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."[/QUOTE]

I agree there (in respect to Limp Bizkit's song being "Toolesque")... But d[I]a[/I]mn... that was a little harsh to our fellow reg.

If you lost respect for one of the members on here whom I most respect, because of one song that he said something about that you disagreed with, that's pretty lame, satch.

[QUOTE=Mr Herb]Howerdel should play with tool, he could add great slide guitar, thatd be great I think[/QUOTE]


Billy doesnt do slide its Troy van Luween that does the slide.

Any news, guys?

What's the current discussion?

[QUOTE=Rothmans]Billy doesnt do slide its Troy van Luween that does the slide.[/QUOTE]

He does in the 'Judith' video.

[QUOTE=Kage]If you lost respect for one of the members on here whom I most respect, because of one song that he said something about that you disagreed with, that's pretty lame, satch.[/QUOTE]

I didn't really lose all respect for him, I was just exaggerating.

Oh the drama!!! What on EARTH will Moses think?!!

Sorry, but there is nothing to talk about on this thread anymore. Can somebody say something edgy?

Whatever the case, I think you two should kiss and make up. :p


On another note, I'm pretty sure Billy does all the lead/higher guitar work in APC.

judith vid sliding is just great, plus he technically does all the slides since he writes all the gutiar parts, Troy just plays em :)

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]Any news, guys?

What's the current discussion?



He does in the 'Judith' video.[/QUOTE]


That doesnt mean he actually does it look at live clips and stuff and you will see.

Here's some news!

I got new guitar strings!

:lame:

I got nothing.........

[QUOTE=Rothmans]That doesnt mean he actually does it look at live clips and stuff and you will see.[/QUOTE]
I have a live vid of judtih on the connan o brien show and Billy does the slides

I have seen Troy do slide loads of times.

He even does it on QOTSA he has the guitar on the thing and he uses that slide thing.

well w/e, Billy slides too :)


I wonder who will do 2nd guitar for apc on their next album, I hope its someone new so it gets a bit more interesting

I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]Here's some news!

I got new guitar strings![/QUOTE]
:eek: What kind of strings?!

thatd suck, apc is great. I woudnt mind and apc album over a tool album as long as its not crap like emotive

[QUOTE=Darkness of Greed]What kind of strings?![/QUOTE]

Martin Light Acoustics, 80/20 Bronze.

:thumb:

[QUOTE=satchforever]Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that [B]Symphony X are a lot cheesier [/B]and not nearly as good of songwriters. [/QUOTE]

Wait, isn't your user name a reference to Joe Satriani, THE king of cheese?


reeeeeeeeeefl, man. But hey, whatever. Symphony X rocks my socks a lot more than Dream Theater does. That's all I'm sayin'.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Wait, isn't your user name a reference to Joe Satriani, THE king of cheese[/QUOTE]


Hmm.. And here I thought Satriani was the king of kickas[i][b][/i][/b]s melodies

[B]Look in your CD cases[/B]

On Mer De Noms, Billy Howerdel wrote and played all the guitar (lead and rhythm) as well as the bass. Same goes for most of eMOTIVe.

On Thirteenth Step, Troy did play rhythm on three tracks, and Howerdel did the rest of the guitar on all the other songs (except for Danny Lohner on The Noose).

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.[/QUOTE]

There's two more coming, including the current one. After that legal hassle before Lateralus they signed a three record deal with whoever it was. Volcano, perhaps.

APC, on the other hand, is done with their three record deal, which brings the question of whether they put out eMOTIVe just to get out of it. Seeing as it was... not so great and all.

[QUOTE=Scruples]There's two more coming, including the current one. After that legal hassle before Lateralus they signed a three record deal with whoever it was. Volcano, perhaps.

APC, on the other hand, is done with their three record deal, which brings the question of whether they put out eMOTIVe just to get out of it. Seeing as it was... not so great and all.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't doubt that about APC.

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to hear new stuff by APC, after Maynard is done with Tool.

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]dude, i was coming to this fred before you were even inducted into these forums...[/QUOTE]


Wrong. Notice the June 2003 under my avatar? Just because i dont have a mega post count doesnt mean i dont come here often.

[QUOTE=satchforever]Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that Symphony X are a lot cheesier and not nearly as good of songwriters. You don't know how to express an opinion as just that, an opinion. When you state your opinion as a fact, it makes me lose respect for you. However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."[/QUOTE]
Okay and that was a mistake that I apologize for, I don't know what I was on. If you read any of my other threads you might respect me, after all a few people do. Also..... WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WHY WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT? If it helps I never recall you doing anything worthy of praise so you never had respect in my book.

I never cried about anything. I just think Symphony X are better song writers in general because they maintain technicality with out sacrificing catchiness and they know when to get egotistical. Mike Portnoy even admitted that when they first came out they tried to be the most pretentious, over-the-top progrock band. He said they wrote songs just to make them hard without even thinking about the songwriting at all.

Guys after seven days we finally got some news.I was expecting something big seeing there is a seven days news gap.Here you go copied straight from the tool page:

[B]VOLTO! [/B]

Perhaps the hottest ticket in town, VOLTO! will be rocking the BAKED POTATO (3787 Cahuenga Blvd., West, Studio City, CA) this Thursday night, August 25th. Bring your purple pens, order an enormous spud stuffed with whatever as the band sets up, and try on one of the NEW Volto! t-shirts, but be sure to arrive early because the chances of somebody forgetting to bring their Paiste cymbals are a million to one. By the way, what happened to Danny Devito and family last week? They sure missed a good one… and first shot at those new t-shirts! For more info, call 818-980-1515. Hope to see you there.

When the new album coming out???

Can't Wait.

cant wait for apc

^^^
APC? What are you talking about? APC won't release anything for at least two more years. Your getting a little pre-excited arent you?

cant wait for the august newsletter, blair promised photos of the guys recording and loads of info on the album....but then again blair says a lot of things!!

PS i posted about the red cross on the last page of lateralus yesterday and i didnt get time to follow it up, it is in fact.

[COLOR=Red][SIZE=7]A RED VAJRA, A SYMBOL OF POWER AND SPIRIT FROM THE VISIONARY REALMS[/SIZE][/COLOR]

my source on this is official, i got it from Alex Grey the guy who drew all the artwork (under adams direction) and seeing as on the FAQ on toolsheddown it says noone knows what it is i just thought id spread the good word!!

THAT SHOULD GIVE US SOMETHING NEW TO TALK ABOUT :thumb:

any ideas on what/where the **** visionary realm is?!!

[QUOTE=PeEpHoLe_10]^^^
APC? What are you talking about? APC won't release anything for at least two more years. Your getting a little pre-excited arent you?[/QUOTE]
oh tool den. APC when i grow old hopefuly i'll get a wife by then

[QUOTE=PeEpHoLe_10]Wrong. Notice the June 2003 under my avatar? Just because i dont have a mega post count doesnt mean i dont come here often.[/QUOTE]

well, with that many posts, it is obvious you dont come here often

For the longest time I never posted, though I did browse the boards often.

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]well, with that many posts, it is obvious you dont come here often[/QUOTE]

I come here almost every day and my post count sucks. Often I just come to read whats being said, I have more stuff to do than post here a lot of the time.