Realistically shouldn't everything be subjective because thought process and definition of all things are human constructs? Or something like that.

[QUOTE=gaslight;18112006]Is that safe?[/QUOTE]

Not entirely. It could be way less safe, though.

[quote=BenJammin;18111254]Ahh. Well, I'd have thought my cabs were designed for that sort of thing, since I thought Epifani would take those sorts of things into consideration.

I'll look into it in better depth in a few days. I don't even have my cab around right now.[/quote]
I'm fairly confident that your cab won't be spec'd to go below 40Hz. Speaker technology has its limits. It's fairly easy to tell if it is the dust cap just from looking though. This is what mine looked like:
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[QUOTE=funkyhoney;18112267]Realistically shouldn't everything be subjective because thought process and definition of all things are human constructs? Or something like that.[/QUOTE]

No, some things are objective. Like, 1 is different to 2, the sun lights the earth, your left hand is not your right hand, water is composed of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, etc.

Don't let any jobless philosophy students tell you different.

And bandit is right about the speaker cabinet ratings, my Epifani UL212 is rated down to 39HZ, anything lower it isn't meant to excel at.

Thinking of getting an Acme Low B4 as an extra cab, that's rated down to 31HZ but it sacrifices decibels at that frequency.

[QUOTE=gaslight;18112283]No, some things are objective. Like, 1 is different to 2, the sun lights the earth, your left hand is not your right hand, water is composed of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, etc.

Don't let any jobless philosophy students tell you different.

And bandit is right about the speaker cabinet ratings, my Epifani UL212 is rated down to 39HZ, anything lower it isn't meant to excel at.

Thinking of getting an Acme Low B4 as an extra cab, that's rated down to 31HZ but it sacrifices decibels at that frequency.[/QUOTE]

One is only different to two because someone said so. Isn't the idea of light subjective, or at least relative? I could argue that left is right and right is left and somebody got it wrong. You don't know how water is composed you're just trusting information.

I'm not a philosophy student, nor do I know any. Just saying.

[quote=gaslight;18112283]No, some things are objective. Like, 1 is different to 2, the sun lights the earth, your left hand is not your right hand, water is composed of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, etc.

Don't let any jobless philosophy students tell you different.

And bandit is right about the speaker cabinet ratings, my Epifani UL212 is rated down to 39HZ, anything lower it isn't meant to excel at.

Thinking of getting an Acme Low B4 as an extra cab, that's rated down to 31HZ but it sacrifices decibels at that frequency.[/quote]

If memory serves, the low end of the rating is generally the frequency where it is at -6dB. Realistically, it's probably more like 45Hz.

Put down the crack pipe.

Here's a test: get three apples. Put them in a group of one, and a group of two. If someone can look at those two groups of apples and not understand that one of them is two apples, and one is one apple, then I congratulate them twofold - firstly on disproving the notion of objectivity, and secondly on freshly qualifying for a mental disability pension.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18112307]If memory serves, the low end of the rating is generally the frequency where it is at -6dB. Realistically, it's probably more like 45Hz.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Acme list their one at -3dB at 41Hz but -6dB at 31Hz. I think it would definitely cop more low end than the Epifani.

[QUOTE=gaslight;18112308]Put down the crack pipe.

Here's a test: get three apples. Put them in a group of one, and a group of two. If someone can look at those two groups of apples and not understand that one of them is two apples, and one is one apple, then I congratulate them twofold - firstly on disproving the notion of objectivity, and secondly on freshly qualifying for a mental disability pension.[/QUOTE]

The point I'm getting at is what defines one? Just talking out my arse haha

[quote=funkyhoney;18112304]One is only different to two because someone said so. Isn't the idea of light subjective, or at least relative? I could argue that left is right and right is left and somebody got it wrong. You don't know how water is composed you're just trusting information.

I'm not a philosophy student, nor do I know any. Just saying.[/quote]

The whole concept of numbers is entirely abstract and arbitrary. It was created by humankind based on simple observation and the necessity to keep count. Nonetheless, one ball is certainly different from two balls, and that is certainly fact with observational objectivity.

We don't understand enough about light to really make any factual claims about it, but, we know that it is electromagnetic energy and that the reflection of that energy within certain wavelengths is interpreted as light. That's objective. Now, the nature of the light may be different and relative. Many animals, like snakes, can see well into the infrared wavelengths that are too large for the the human eye, and others, like bees, can see into the ultraviolet spectrum. Any human would argue that there is no light transmitted, while other creatures could clearly see the UV/infrared rays. That's subjective.

On the basis of chemistry, there has been enough repeatable evidence to say that two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom bond to form a single water molecule. It's objective. The names of the gases were arbitrary and I guess one could argue subjectivity from that standpoint.

[quote=gaslight;18112309]Yeah, Acme list their one at -3dB at 41Hz but -6dB at 31Hz. I think it would definitely cop more low end than the Epifani.[/quote]

IIRC, Acme not only fudges their numbers a bit, but are also extremely inefficient at utilizing the power input. Your -3dB at 45Hz would probably sound more monstrous than the -1.1dB (or w/e) of the Acme.

Really? I've only ever read rave reviews of their cabinets, I was under the impression they were one of the best companies for extended low-range.

Now I'm sad :(.

They are, but you need a horrendous amount of power to get anything from them, as they're not that efficient I don't think. Like a kilowatt power amp.

And the frequency response of cabs is misleading. Most of what you hear when you play a low E string is not the 42 Hz you think it is, but probably more likely the next fundamental, up around 80Hz. You don't need anything below 50Hz at all, it's just wasting power from your amp on sounds that your cab cannot reproduce. That's why high passing at 50Hz works. It cleans up your signal and in effect makes better use of the available power from your amp. And it doesn't change your tone, I can pretty much guarantee. If you have a graphic EQ on your amp, you should just cut the 30Hz slider all the way down. You don't need extension down to 31Hz for a bass guitar. That's silly.

A good sound engineer will do a high pass with a fairly steep slope at around 50/60Hz on bass guitar anyway at the gig ;)

But isn't the fundamental of a B string like 30HZ?

I guess it might not be worth getting something that pumps out that low, and just getting one with a tight sounding low end in general. It's a bit of a tricky business reading into cab specs.

I'm hoping to have a Thunderfunk head by the end of next year, that puts out 250W more than my Aguilar AG500 and I'm not sure what it'll sound best paired with.

[QUOTE=gaslight;18112283]...your left hand is not your right hand...[/QUOTE]

wait, wait wait, wait. What?

Also laughed very muchly at the apples spiel.

and because I'm a n00b, that's all I can contribute to the discussion.

[quote=gaslight;18112359]But isn't the fundamental of a B string like 30HZ?

I guess it might not be worth getting something that pumps out that low, and just getting one with a tight sounding low end in general. It's a bit of a tricky business reading into cab specs.

I'm hoping to have a Thunderfunk head by the end of next year, that puts out 250W more than my Aguilar AG500 and I'm not sure what it'll sound best paired with.[/quote]

Yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. You don't hear that first fundamental. When you hear a 'low B', you're probably hearing the one an octave above what you think you are.

What kinda size/style cab you looking for? One cab solution, or modular?

[quote=gaslight;18112359]But isn't the fundamental of a B string like 30HZ?

I guess it might not be worth getting something that pumps out that low, and just getting one with a tight sounding low end in general. It's a bit of a tricky business reading into cab specs.

I'm hoping to have a Thunderfunk head by the end of next year, that puts out 250W more than my Aguilar AG500 and I'm not sure what it'll sound best paired with.[/quote]

Yes, it is, but it's not the prominent frequency. With the bass string windings, the second and fourth overtone are actually the most prominent. Thus, anything below 50Hz is mostly felt - not heard.

Also, the kings of low-end are Accugroove.

man. SCII rules.

So I emailed our payroll department on behalf of our light duty mechanic. I guess the company is still taking a bit of money off his income for RSPs but he requested they cancel his RSP as he's starting a different one. Whatever.

Anyways she mailed me back with the best inter-office mail ever:

He van call med direclty t *phone number*

lysdekxia rusle amirite!

oh and Dunc: a buddy of mine bought the SCII special super-deluxe power edition, like 200 bucks. he got all sorts of neat-o sh[size=2]it[/size]; art book, a behind-the-scenes DVD, a soundtrack album, and a Jimmy Raynor dogtag/external harddrive key. He proceeded to lose the dogtag within a day. Well, yesterday I found the dogtag under his couch, gave it back to him and he proceeded to wrap it around his cat's neck. and now it's lost again.

my friends are champs.

lol man that guy is hardcore. I cant quite afford the super-lame version yet but i wore out the 7hour trial and it is definitely badass. you should probably ask the cat.

Just spent half an hour dicking about with VST drums in Reaper. First time I've ever tried to use them, it's doing my head in a little bit! Getting the hang of it for now. Though for some reason Reaper won't acknowledge my ASIO driver, when it did before I had to reinstall it :/

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18112586]Yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. You don't hear that first fundamental. When you hear a 'low B', you're probably hearing the one an octave above what you think you are.

What kinda size/style cab you looking for? One cab solution, or modular?[/QUOTE]

Definitely one cab.

I need some tuners for my Studio 5. It's lefty. 3 bass side, 2 treble, in gold.

It came with a set of Gotoh's, two of which have broken and the rest are sticking.

Anything you guys suggest? Are ultralights worth it?

[quote=EADGCFBb;18113515]I need some tuners for my Studio 5. It's lefty. 3 bass side, 2 treble, in gold.

It came with a set of Gotoh's, two of which have broken and the rest are sticking.

Anything you guys suggest? Are ultralights worth it?[/quote]

Ultralites are great and only come in the Satin finish, so I was heavily considering them for my Studio 6 (although I may just sell the bass) because it seems that the thick neck is causing some neckdive.

The only issue, though, is that they are a bit on the pricey side.

Didn't I sell you the Xtender a while back? How's it holding up?

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Just out of morbid curiosity as I know someone here will enjoy this music. Let me know what you think of the first track, "howling wolves".

ninj'd. Wrong URL


OMFGLOL

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;18113853]Ultralites are great and only come in the Satin finish, so I was heavily considering them for my Studio 6 (although I may just sell the bass) because it seems that the thick neck is causing some neckdive.

The only issue, though, is that they are a bit on the pricey side.

Didn't I sell you the Xtender a while back? How's it holding up?[/QUOTE]

I don't know if they'll make any difference, but the dive is so bad I might as well give it a shot.

The Hipshot works great, but I want to have a full set of regular tuners just in case I want to use it for something else.

just baked a cake.

oooooooh yeah.

sweeet

[QUOTE=EADGCFBb;18114912]I don't know if they'll make any difference[/QUOTE]

Apparently these things can take up to 1/2 a pound off the headstock. Hrm.

[quote=EADGCFBb;18115259]Apparently these things can take up to 1/2 a pound off the headstock. Hrm.[/quote]

Ultralites are roughly half the weight of the regular counterparts. I love them.