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Luc2142 09-05-2006 07:31 PM

^ actually it's one of my favorites.

Thor 09-05-2006 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=Luc2142]^ actually it's one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...maybe I'm the black sheep of the bunch this time. I just think of it as a repeat of everything the album has already offered at that point.

I also looked on their website and found that it's one of Peter's favorite Opeth songs. For shame. :upset:

Luc2142 09-05-2006 07:40 PM

[QUOTE=Thor]Hmmm...maybe I'm the black sheep of the bunch this time. I just think of it as a repeat of everything the album has already offered at that point.

I also looked on their website and found that it's one of Peter's favorite Opeth songs. For shame. :upset:[/QUOTE]

Probably my favorite off Damnation is Death Whispered A Lullaby.

Thor 09-05-2006 07:45 PM

[QUOTE=Luc2142]Probably my favorite off Damnation is Death Whispered A Lullaby.[/QUOTE]
This is really funny, because the two songs you mentioned are the ones I don't think are as good. It's not that they're bad songs, but they aren't nearly as strong as the beasts like Windowpane, In My Time of Need, and Ending Credits.

RouteOne 09-05-2006 07:55 PM

Any news on the new album?

Thor 09-05-2006 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron]Any news on the new album?[/QUOTE]
Nothing so far, unless I've missed some rare interview. They haven't updated their website with anything interesting in quite a while. :upset:

RouteOne 09-05-2006 07:59 PM

I know a lot of you love GR, but I hope their new album isn't like it.....just me though.

Thor 09-05-2006 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron]I know a lot of you love GR, but I hope their new album isn't like it.....just me though.[/QUOTE]
It's not exactly my cup of tea, either. I like how they got heavier, but I think that some of their songs just drag on for wayyyy too long.

Still, Ghost of Perdition is one of the band's strongest songs to date.

RouteOne 09-05-2006 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=Thor]It's not exactly my cup of tea, either. I like how they got heavier, but I think that some of their songs just drag on for wayyyy too long.

Still, Ghost of Perdition is one of the band's strongest songs to date.[/QUOTE]
The big beef I have with it, is that it sounds "pop-ish" compared to their other stuff. But meh, all of their stuff is good.


NP: Isengard: Vinterskugge

Thor 09-05-2006 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron]The big beef I have with it, is that it sounds "pop-ish" compared to their other stuff. But meh, all of their stuff is good.


NP: Isengard: Vinterskugge[/QUOTE]
Pop-ish? Quite the contrary! I've never heard them be so heavy in my life!

Otherside 09-05-2006 08:03 PM

Yeah GR wasn't too great.

The tour for the album was though.

Under a Weeping Moon ftw

RouteOne 09-05-2006 08:03 PM

[QUOTE=Thor]Pop-ish? Quite the contrary! I've never heard them be so heavy in my life![/QUOTE]
The riffs and just the sound of the songs just remind me of more mainstream stuff, idk.

Darkness 09-05-2006 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron]I know a lot of you love GR, but I hope their new album isn't like it.....just me though.[/QUOTE]
I agree... I hope it's quite different.

DWAL is my least favorite Damnation song, and probably least favorite Opeth song.

Toaster 09-05-2006 08:10 PM

I think the reason people find it "poppish" is because they actually use a few major-key riffs in it, as opposed to the standard minor-key metal riffing. I still don't fully understand how you could not like the album though.. not that I want to start another discussion on it. :p

Daven 09-05-2006 09:26 PM

Im very happy because a friend and I nailed the first half of Bleak. :)

Moses 09-05-2006 10:38 PM

I don't have an Opeth song that I hate. I have ones that I love and ones that I love a tiny bit less.

UpperDecker 09-05-2006 10:50 PM

It just occurred to me today that the excuse that some people have saying that earlier [I][B]Opeth[/B][/I] was amateur and just parts glued together is a bunch of BS. Today I decided to give [I][B]Blackwater Park [/B][/I]a spin (its been a while). Now listen to [B][I]The Drapery Falls[/I][/B], [B][I]Blackwater Park [/I][/B](the song), and [B][I]The Funeral Portrait [/I][/B]and tell me that that isn't the same type of structure that earlier [B][I]Opeth[/I][/B] ([B][I]Orchid/Morningrise[/I][/B]) used. Its all the same, just better production and better everything else. I just wanted to point out that when people say that its total BS.

Moses 09-05-2006 10:54 PM

Nah, the structure is pretty much the same but it doesn't flow as well on the earlier albums. The leading is alot better on the new albums.

Kage 09-05-2006 10:56 PM

Well, there's better building and resolving of tension and things like that.

UpperDecker 09-05-2006 10:59 PM

Yea, i suppose you guys are right in a sense too.

Thor 09-06-2006 06:34 AM

[QUOTE=Daven]Im very happy because a friend and I nailed the first half of Bleak. :)[/QUOTE]
Lucky. No one around here ever wants to play any Opeth songs with me! I'm trying to talk one of my friends into playing Master's Apprentices or The Leper Affinity with me though.

Jude 09-06-2006 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]It just occurred to me today that the excuse that some people have saying that earlier [I][B]Opeth[/B][/I] was amateur and just parts glued together is a bunch of BS. Today I decided to give [I][B]Blackwater Park [/B][/I]a spin (its been a while). Now listen to [B][I]The Drapery Falls[/I][/B], [B][I]Blackwater Park [/I][/B](the song), and [B][I]The Funeral Portrait [/I][/B]and tell me that that isn't the same type of structure that earlier [B][I]Opeth[/I][/B] ([B][I]Orchid/Morningrise[/I][/B]) used. Its all the same, just better production and better everything else. I just wanted to point out that when people say that its total BS.[/QUOTE]
No.....starting at about Still Life you start to see use of verse and chorus in songs as well as repeating and varying themes throughout songs. Take The Moor, it revisits several main themes a number of times throughout. Godhead's Lament also does this, and it becomes more and more evident through many/most later Opeth songs.

TojesDolan 09-06-2006 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=Kage]Well, there's better building and resolving of tension and things like that.[/QUOTE]
That's the main point.

Carrionshine 09-06-2006 02:07 PM

Gigantour starts today! I go on Sunday. I need to know Opeth's setlist.

TojesDolan 09-06-2006 02:14 PM

So you can scream the next song and Mike says "F[size=2]u[/size]cking internet"

yeah

pate 09-06-2006 02:49 PM

I love Mike's responses to the crowd.

2,100 w00t :chug:

Tyr 09-06-2006 02:50 PM

Yeah, he's a funny guy.

Toaster 09-06-2006 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]It just occurred to me today that the excuse that some people have saying that earlier [I][B]Opeth[/B][/I] was amateur and just parts glued together is a bunch of BS. Today I decided to give [I][B]Blackwater Park [/B][/I]a spin (its been a while). Now listen to [B][I]The Drapery Falls[/I][/B], [B][I]Blackwater Park [/I][/B](the song), and [B][I]The Funeral Portrait [/I][/B]and tell me that that isn't the same type of structure that earlier [B][I]Opeth[/I][/B] ([B][I]Orchid/Morningrise[/I][/B]) used. Its all the same, just better production and better everything else. I just wanted to point out that when people say that its total BS.[/QUOTE]

Meh. I don't think so. I find that the first two albums are all about riffs- the riffs come one after another, relentlessly, without repetition, until the end of the song. On every album after that, Opeth start to use recurring themes and interesting song structures, rather than just a progression of riffs. They also use far less guitar harmonizing, and rely more on melodies (especially on BWP, Still Life and GR) to carry the songs. In their early days Opeth didn't really experiment with different melodies and progressions, but lately (example: The Drapery Falls) use very unconventional chord changes, key changes, etc. for effect.

Uh.. for little differences, there is more clean singing, more low-pitched growling, and in turn less screaming. The production is also less thin.. the first two albums sound very much alike in production.

So basically, I think new Opeth is much different. And much better. :)

TojesDolan 09-06-2006 03:27 PM

Nope. Listen closely to Morningrise and you'll see a lot more phrasing elements. ;)

Toaster 09-06-2006 03:30 PM

I've listened closely to all Opeth's material. That's the conclusion I've come to. What the hell does "phrasing elements" mean anyway? :P

Luc2142 09-06-2006 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=eighty d]Exactly with the first word Mike sings, someone in the audience screams. Unless there's two different versions, one with that edited out, I don't know how you could miss it.[/QUOTE]

Oh god. I just heard it and I almost cracked my ribs laughing.

MRDuCran 09-06-2006 04:15 PM

I've never really found anything by Opeth that I really liked but yesterday I was taking part in The Riff Game in the guitar forum and one of the riffs was Opeth - Master's Apprenticies, I love that riff intro/main riff.

And I never knew the vocalists voice was so damn growly, I knew he went deep at times but I didn't know he went all out death metal.

Shadows 09-06-2006 04:16 PM

Opeth is amazing. In every way. anyone who says different is a fool. I suggest you get Blackwater Park ASAP.

Daven 09-06-2006 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=Thor]Lucky. No one around here ever wants to play any Opeth songs with me! I'm trying to talk one of my friends into playing Master's Apprentices or The Leper Affinity with me though.[/QUOTE]

My friend wasnt into Opeth, but after heargin M's vocals he loved them.

MRDuCran 09-06-2006 04:18 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Opeth is amazing. In every way. anyone who says different is a fool. I suggest you get Blackwater Park ASAP.[/QUOTE]

I have Damnation and My Arms, Your Hearse already from the Daily Upload, but if you're recommending that, I'll get it.

Luc2142 09-06-2006 04:23 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Opeth is amazing. In every way. anyone who says different is a fool. I suggest you get Blackwater Park ASAP.[/QUOTE]

I reccomend Still Life over BWP.

TojesDolan 09-06-2006 04:39 PM

I reccomend Ghost Reveries for diversity.

<_<

Luc2142 09-06-2006 04:58 PM

Ghost Reveries is great too.

Otherside 09-06-2006 05:01 PM

My first was Morningrise and possibly still my favorite.

Though I somewhat hate Opeth for never playing it live >:|

Amphetamine 09-06-2006 05:18 PM

My God, Dirge of November is so awesome.


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