Thanks, I will try that.

Hello guys... Been a long while since I last visited these boards.. :) Anyway, I have problems singing, especially higher notes (which aren't that high actually, which makes it all the more annoying).

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICjChITcCeg[/url]

I would be really thankful if someone could help me... Around 1:10 I think I start going a bit higher...

I'm unsure if it's even possible for me to learn how to sing high alas it's my dream, to be able to extend my vocal range upwards...

Any help is appreciated :)

Cheers.

Question:
What is Dave Grohl doing for rasp/screams? It seems like he's doing the whole false chord thing. Is he?

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you should try the singing success course by Brett Manning, worked wonders for me. it imporved my range, vibrato, tone and lots of other things, plus its cheaper than getting lessons.
heres the link if your interested [url]http://pro-singing-lessons.moonfruit.com[/url]

i was reading through the threads on screaming, and some people mentioned several times that there is only one way to scream. I'm finding this very difficult to believe based on all the different sounds i hear coming out of my favorite vocalists mouths. Its hard for me to believe the guy from the used and they guy from cradle of filth are doing the same exact thing. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

sry double post

Theres many different ways to scream. Some techniques utilize the false folds (mainly death metal type stuff), some use the soft palate/uvula, and some are just people overloading the vocal cords with too much breath pressure for a rasp, which isn't really a good thing. Theres also inhale screaming which is best to avoid, but can be used from time to time.

^why should inhale screaming be avoided

and also, i'm having trouble analyzing whether i'm screaming the right way or not, i've been screaming for a few years now and i've always had problems maintaining my clean singing (especially falsetto), over the last few months or so i've been trying everything i can to scream "properly," and i'm next to convinced that i'm screaming properly, except for the fact that i'm losing some of voice when i'm scream. Can you give me any advice as to how to tell if i'm screaming right or not? besides "if it hurts you're not doing it right"

Well, with inhaling your sending incredible amounts of air pressure down your throat. Its drying out your throat and cords, and causing your cords to react unaturally (kind of a suction type thing, and if you do it too hard and too often you can actually rupture a cord which I think some pretty famous singers have done in the past).

If your losing your voice, your not screaming "right". Now, how much you lose is an issue. When i'm training people who want to be mainly singers who use screaming on occassion, i'm really strict that they do everything with the best form possible. People who scream 50% or more of the song are going to have at least some wear and tear with their voice, even if they are screaming using a safe method. Screaming is all about extra air pressure. Its what you do with that air pressure that determines how much wear and tear you'll get. If you direct it to the soft palate, it wont effect your voice much at all, but if you produce the sound in your throat by overloading your cords, your going to start to sound a little hoarse, lose some range, then eventually the pain comes.

The fact that your losing your falsetto says that your cords are swollen, which tells that your pushing too much air incorrectly through your vocal cords. From now on, direct all your extra air to your soft palate and get it to vibrate. Your not doing this now or you wouldn't be having the swelling issues. Basically, your going to start by vibrating your uvula (the thing that hangs in the back of your throat) to get a sound that sounds like a pigeon. Do this on "OO". When you can do this, your sending your air to the soft palate. Then its just a matter of manipulation...you can kind of squeeze or raise your soft palate for different sounds. Its not something that I can tell you exactly how to do, its something you've got to figure out on your own.

After your done singing though, always warm down on slides. Do them on the "EE" vowel, starting in falsetto.

When you're practicing, and you've done something wrong, and is now feeling discomfort in the throat, what then?
Just warm down and call it a day? Or is it okay to start up again after the discomfort goes away?

Do a warm down and wait at least an hour. If your going to keep going after that, you have to warm up all over again and be careful or else it could just get progressively worse. The thing is, when your training some things like screaming are trial and error in the beginning, so your going to have times when your throats a little screwed. Its best to just quit, but if you have to keep going, breathe some steam and drink pleanty of water to flush out the extra mucus thats coming up from the swelling. Throat Coat Tea is a good thing to drink too, but I think its disgusting so I only use it when I absolutely need it.

You wouldn't happen to know of any online resources that teach fry?

I teach it but I wont start teaching online stuff again for a couple of weeks. The best thing is Melissa Cross' DVD, and she also has a CD called Scream Extra, but as far as online sites or downloads, I don't know of anything else.

alright, so i took the techniques you described and worked with them, but when i do specifically what you described (correct breathing, with a downward push, and the whole pidgeon exercise to get the soft palate thing going) it just makes the notes i sing sound scratchier or whatever (its hard to describe, i guess james hetfield-ish), but i can't get a full sounding scream this way. I'm looking to try and get a scream more like The Used, Glassjaw, Blindside, etc. I can already do a more Lamb of God-ish type scream (although no one can scream like that guy), but i can't figure out how to get a "safe" scream that actually sounds like a scream. I'm sure that was pretty confusing, but if you have anymore advice i'd love to hear it.

The pigeon sound is just the basis; some people do use it for falsetto screams for the tone, but its just the first level. For the type of stuff you want to do, your going to want to vibrate the entire soft palate. The uvula is right in the middle of your soft palate, and thats whats moving now, so now you have to get the rest of the palate on both sides of it to vibrate as well. To do this, its going to be even more air, and your going to close your throat a little bit. Its safe though because your closing your pharynx by manipulating the soft palate. Its not something that can really be taught, its just something you have to play around with.

If you can already kind of make a basic form of the sound your going after, you can go ahead and do it that way and start trying to make sure that your feeling vibrations up from your top row of teeth up. Anything below that is too low and is kind of a warning sign that your doing it from your throat.

If you cant already make the sound though, its hard to explain in writing. The best thing you can do is try to get that song, even if its with bad technique at first, and then do like I said and just pay attention to your placement (as well as the breathing and support stuff that you've already got down). The louder or the more rasp you put into the tone, the more you push down.

Don't worry so much about safe. If your worried about damaging yourself, you will damage your voice. When your actually doing the scream, just let it come out. If its not technically correct, try it again, and this time try to get the placement right. The more you actually think about the technical aspects of screaming while your doing it, the more you'll hold back, and in return the more damage you'll end up with.

thanks a lot, you give great advice, i'm sure i'll be back in a few days with more questions

alright, so when actually performing the scream should my uvula be vibrating, or is that just exercise just so i know where to send the airflow? and how loud should this be compared to singing the note i'm trying to scream, slightly louder? super loud? the same volume?

also, the way i typically scream (at least before i found out about this forum) feels very easy for me, it doesn't take a lot of air or push, but there's absolutely no pitch (other than make it sound high and low, but i'm not singing any notes beneath the scream), and it doesn't seem to hurt, but i definitely can't maintain my singing voice after screaming this way for a while. based on that description would you say that that is definitely an incorrect way to scream?

i might try to put up a recording later if i can figure out where to host it

Host it at PutFile, its easier to just stream something then to have to download it and have it pop up in another player.

The uvula usually does vibrate no matter what while screaming (and sometimes just singing) as a byproduct to the air pressure. You should be able to make the scream at a level thats not much louder than your speaking voice, and you can get it as loud as you want. One of my coaches screams and breaks wine glasses with his voice, and hes screaming at around 115-120 decibles while doing so. Volume isn't dangerous, its only when you have to push too much to get that volume that you run into problems.

I'd have to hear a sample of your old way, but since you cant sing cleanly afterwards its not going to work. For really hardcore stuff, theres always going to be effects like that though, so you have to decide if the death metal type screaming is what you'd like to do, or if you'd rather be a singer who uses screams from time to time as an effect. Definitely check out the Zen of Screaming 1 and 2 (gotta get them both to understand) at some point. You can get them for $20 each I believe on getsigned.

i have the first zen of screaming, and i've learned a lot from it, but mostly about singing, not so much screaming, i've been thinking about picking up the second. and i definitely prefer to sing than to scream, but screaming is always going to be something i want to do in music. I'll try and get a sample up in the next few days, i'm not really sure how to better describe my original scream, someone once told me its very alexi laiho like (children of bodom), and that's def. not what i'm going for, so i definitely have some work to do

Zen 2 is the screaming technique one, although theres only a couple of actual exercises for it. It still explains everything and you'll figure it out just by hearing it. If you cant afford the money though, just keep experimenting and your going to eventually get it. Its as simple as coordinating everything (the breathing, push, breath pressure), then just letting loose and screaming a note, but people always hold back just a little to much and run into problems.

Hi,

I have a question about head voice. When I go into head voice i feel a lot of resonance around my nose area. The problem with this is it is giving me a very nasal sound. So I trying to lower my larynx more to give a deeper sound. But sometimes this just becomes deep and nasaly or i drop out of head voice sometimes.
Any input?

Thanks

[QUOTE=kdash;15912595]Hi,

I have a question about head voice. When I go into head voice i feel a lot of resonance around my nose area. The problem with this is it is giving me a very nasal sound. So I trying to lower my larynx more to give a deeper sound. But sometimes this just becomes deep and nasaly or i drop out of head voice sometimes.
Any input?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I have that same problem man, some input regarding this would be appreciated.

Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15917426]Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good, I'll work on it. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15917426]Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.[/QUOTE]

when I do that kind of smile thing it makes my tone more nasally and generally I can add some heat to my voice very easily while doing that.

Hey guys,

I have a question about adding rasp to my vocals. I have been trained in singing and am comfortable singing clean vocals but I would like to be able to add some slight rasp to my vocals now and then as my band plays alt rock Soundgarden kind of stuff. The main problem I have is that when I try to rasp a note i get way to much rasp when I just want a little bit.

The sound I would like is what Flynn from Cog gets at 3:30 into this performance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eRIN-2C2iQ[/url]

Any help would be awesome and as a side note, I've looked into getting zen of screaming however I was a bit put off because it seems to deal with metal core/hardcore screaming when i'm not really into that stuff.:confused:

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;15919041]when I do that kind of smile thing it makes my tone more nasally and generally I can add some heat to my voice very easily while doing that.[/QUOTE]

If you scrunch your nose up like most people do when they slide the upper lip up, then it will get more nasally, but if you just move the lip, it wont.

[QUOTE=xspoonmanx;15920428]Hey guys,

I have a question about adding rasp to my vocals. I have been trained in singing and am comfortable singing clean vocals but I would like to be able to add some slight rasp to my vocals now and then as my band plays alt rock Soundgarden kind of stuff. The main problem I have is that when I try to rasp a note i get way to much rasp when I just want a little bit.

The sound I would like is what Flynn from Cog gets at 3:30 into this performance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eRIN-2C2iQ[/url]

Any help would be awesome and as a side note, I've looked into getting zen of screaming however I was a bit put off because it seems to deal with metal core/hardcore screaming when i'm not really into that stuff.:confused:[/QUOTE]


For just a little bit of rasp, check out Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming download on GetSigned.com. It is exactly what your looking for.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15921331]For just a little bit of rasp, check out Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming download on GetSigned.com. It is exactly what your looking for.[/QUOTE]

thanks man but do you have a direct link I couldn't find it on that website?? sorry bro.

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