I already had Live In Fresno but thanks a bunch for the videos.

[QUOTE=Kage]Heck yeah, that's one of my favorite NIN songs period. I always think that record is one dimensional, then I listen to it and I realize it's really not. There are some classic songs on there. I like every song except THTF and Getting Smaller.[/QUOTE]
I like everything on that album except...

...You Know What You Are? = WORST NIN SONG EVER

God I hate that song. :upset: The only part I can stand is the bass/keyboard outro.

But other then that, I love the album. :)

I like You Know What You Are? a lot. One of my favorite things about it is the out-of-place sounding piano in the chorus, and the undercurrent of dark and machine-like ambience that make the song what it is. Aside from those very NIN touches, it's not an amazingly written song, but it's always been the subtleties that make NIN what it is.

I thought they really overdid the drums on that one. The main parts of the song were alright, but the chorus was horrible...methinks. I don't really mind though. That album has some really great songs that make up for a few downfalls.

repcak, you can take down the bootleg now. I downloaded it, but sadly it screwed up and I was only able to salvage the first 5 tracks. :(

'You Know What You Are?' is one of my favourite tracks on the album... i dont mind the aggressive drum beat and dont think that its overdone... if every second song on the album had that style then maybe...

I personally think 'You Know What You Are' is a great song. It's a great live song. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's one of my favorite ones off the album, but it's still a good one nonetheless. 'Beside You In Time' and 'All the Love in the World' are some of my favorite ones. Heh, I wonder what ever happened to his "master plan"...if he even ever had one.

Anyway, listened to an interview with Trent earlier and he was once again asked about the whole Tapeworm project. Said that although that didn't work out, he was sure he and Maynard would work together again in the future. That would be awesome (of course, hoping the project does see the light of day). He also commented on why they don't play songs such as 'The Perfect Drug' and 'We're in This Together Now' (one of my favorite tracks off The Fragile). Something about the vocal range being to high for him and he didn't know what the hell he was thinking when he recorded that one. It was a good short phone interview.

That's disappointing as hell. :( "The Perfect Drug" and "We're in This Together" are two of my favorite NIN songs ever.

hey fellow NIN fans. I have liked NIN sence i was 10 and they are still one of my favorite bands. I just saw them live about 5 days ago bloody amazing night. My favoriute cd is Pretty Hate Machine. I have ever halo except 18 and 20. If anyone could help me out with those 2 that would be great!! thanks. :thumb:

halo18 and 20? ... hm.. what albums?! don't know inside out what album-title is which halo...

@all NIN-regulars here:
Everyone says that only TDS is a concept album and that TF and WT is not! I disagree.
Maybe its not a concept album in the classic way, but the following albums have still a 'story' to tell. Never realized it?

[U]The Fragile:[/U] I still haven't worked this album out to the end. Its ever more hard, cause it consists of 2 cds. Therefore i will speak of the first one (which has for sure a 'story' to tell - i'm not sure with the second one). I still don't know exactly what it's about, but it has something to do with a 'love-story': Trent Reznor fails in love, realizes that the other person doesn't love him and he is rejected. He describes his feelings of 'failing' in love and so on...
The song "The Fragile" (taken as an album-title) is one of the beautifullest love-songs i 've heard -> "she shines in a world full of ugliness, she matters when everything is meaningless "

[U]With_Teeth:[/U] The story how Trent Reznor 'defeated' his depressions. His way through therapy, the up and downs.
f.e.: The song: "Every day is exactly the same" describes a/one feeling of depression-state or the day-routine in a hospital of rehabilitation; the song text: "I'm writing on a little piece of paper, I'm hoping someday you might find, Well I'll hide it behind something, They won't look behind" > maybe its the letter someone leaves before he commit suicide... and in this case its the note trent wanted to leave.

its one o'clock in the night and i'm tired... maybe you discuss it and i will add more of my interpretation-ideas tomorrow.

I agree with you. Although WT and TF aren't technically considered "concept albums", I think everything puts out has a some sort of theme or constant message throughout. TDS was the only one with a really specific, defined story though.

yeah, In TDS he at first had a concept in mind and then he started to write the songs. In WT and TF he wrote songs all the time during a special period of time/life and then put it in order

The Fragile was a concept album, but it had no storyline.

[QUOTE=Scruples]The Fragile was a concept album, but it had no storyline.[/QUOTE]
That's kind of contradictory.

[QUOTE=DarkthroneEmperor]That's kind of contradictory.[/QUOTE]

No it's not.

Yes it is.

someone told me that nin was one person... is this true?

[QUOTE=woundedmonkey]someone told me that nin was one person... is this true?[/QUOTE]
Yes(but not live)
Trent Reznor would be that ONE.

[QUOTE=DarkthroneEmperor]Yes it is.[/QUOTE]

No it's not.

[QUOTE=Scruples]No it's not.[/QUOTE]
A concept album is an album with a storyline. I don't see how it could be considered a concept album if it has no storyline.

[QUOTE=Scruples]No it's not.[/QUOTE]

To be a concept album, it must have a storyline or at least a main theme on all songs.

The order isn't necesary.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]To be a concept album, it must have an storyline or [b]at least a main theme on all songs.[/b]

The order isn't necesary.[/QUOTE]

This is why the Fragile is a concept album, not because it has a storyline. Just like Dark Side of the Moon and Ride the Lightning.

What theme does The Fragile have?

[QUOTE=DarkthroneEmperor]What theme does The Fragile have?[/QUOTE]
[quote=Trent Reznor, in a 1999 interview]There's a general theme to the album of systems failing and things sort of falling apart.[/quote]

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Fair enough. :) I always thought every song had some kind of emotional consistency, but it never had anything specific enough to be considered a concept album.

Wikipedia is a wonderful website. I could get lost for hours.

[QUOTE=DarkthroneEmperor]Fair enough. :) I always thought every song had some kind of emotional consistency, but it never had anything specific enough to be considered a concept album.[/QUOTE]

A concept album that tells a story is a rock opera, I believe.

And yes, Wikipedia is "teh ****."

[QUOTE=bwnstl]No it's not.[/QUOTE]

A concept album that has no storyline is an oxymoron. A concept album is an album that tells a story. :confused:

So who thinks a NIN/Porcupine Tree tour would be worth losing your virginity to a 35 year old biker named Chuck just to see the concert? :-D I would.

While The Fragile is not a concept album in the more convential storyline approach, like TDS, it does have some linking themes. Musically, there are some repeated sounds, such as the music in The Frail being repeated a couple times throughout. There are other, much more subtle examples of this. Also, lyrically, there are some definite themes.

With Teeth DID start out as a concept album (Bleedthrough), and there are some repeated lyrical themes (lines blurring, one being right where he belongs), but otherwise, it does not hold much of an actual concept.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]A concept album that has no storyline is an oxymoron. A concept album is an album that tells a story. :confused:[/QUOTE]

No it's not!!!

A concept album [i]can[/i] tell a story, but it doesn't have to. It can just have a general theme that all the songs adhere to. For example: Ride the Lightning is a concept album, because all songs are ways of dying, which is the theme.