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Rrrrrrr 06-14-2006 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=Deth]I think Defenders is beating out SFV now for me. Much more consistant, even if it does lack Electric Eye.[/QUOTE]
But Defenders has The Sentinel, which is my all-time favourite Priest song :D
For pretty much every song on Screaming for Vengeance, I can think of at least one Defenders track that I like better. At least three if you don't count Electric Eye.

[QUOTE=Jaffe]I think Defenders of the Faith is one of their best albums too. Jawbreaker, The Sentinel, Freewheel Burning. Three outstanding tracks. But when I'm in a bad mood, nothing beats listening to Rocka Rolla. It's really some progressive stuff there. I just love Ian's freely bass playing on the whole album. Run of the Mill is definately the best track on it, and it beats all the other slower "ballads" they have ever released later. The nearly three minutes long (!) solo is just outstanding, and sounds like nothing they have ever made later! And when Mr. Halford starts the singing / screaming in the end, I nearly start to cry :p

But other than Run of the Mill, other albums have much better songs, even though many of the songs on Rocka Rolla is very addictive (One for the Road, the title track, Cheater). The second part of Dying to Meet You is great, too.

I recommend this album if you want to hear a completely different and bluesy side of Priest.[/QUOTE]
Priest are actually pretty ashamed of Rocka Rolla. They especially hated the production team. I remember reading that the producer made them cut Caviar and Meths down from a ~7 minute song to a ~2 minute instrumental. I'd have liked to hear the long version, I like the album version a lot already.

It does have some good tracks though. I love Rocka Rolla and Run of the Mill.

Deth 06-14-2006 08:38 PM

I've seen Rocka Rolla in a bookstore for cheap, so I may end up picking it up. I just really need that and Sin after Sin for me to be happy with my Priest collection.

I think I can live without Point of Entry, Turbo and the Ripper albums.

Jaffe 06-15-2006 01:43 AM

[QUOTE=Rrrrrrr]But Defenders has The Sentinel, which is my all-time favourite Priest song :D
For pretty much every song on Screaming for Vengeance, I can think of at least one Defenders track that I like better. At least three if you don't count Electric Eye.


Priest are actually pretty ashamed of Rocka Rolla. They especially hated the production team. I remember reading that the producer made them cut Caviar and Meths down from a ~7 minute song to a ~2 minute instrumental. I'd have liked to hear the long version, I like the album version a lot already.

It does have some good tracks though. I love Rocka Rolla and Run of the Mill.[/QUOTE]

They ain't ashamed of the material, it's just the bad production... And Gull Records (which owns the rights for the first two albums) won't give Priest any credits and keeps selling "Best of Priest" albums with songs from the two first albums...

If you want to hear the full length version of Caviar and Meths, Al Atkins (the former singer in Priest, which wrote it), has released it on one of his albums, along with his original version of Victom of Changes and Never Satisfied. I think the album is named "Victim of Changes".

Rrrrrrr 06-15-2006 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=Deth]I've seen Rocka Rolla in a bookstore for cheap, so I may end up picking it up. I just really need that and Sin after Sin for me to be happy with my Priest collection.

I think I can live without Point of Entry, Turbo and the Ripper albums.[/QUOTE]
Turbo, Jugulator and Demolition I can understand, but Point of Entry has Heading out to the Highway, Desert Plains, Turning Circles, All the Way and You Say Yes (:p). The album is worth it just for the first two songs I mentioned.

And if the bastards had released Heart of a Lion on Turbo it would've made that album worth purchasing too :angry:

MetalOz 06-15-2006 09:30 PM

Anyone heard Ripper Owens' new band? Great stuff... If you liked Jugulator, you'll love it

Apocalyptic Raids 06-15-2006 09:40 PM

Welcome Jaffe, nice to see another Priest fan :)

Riva 06-16-2006 06:48 AM

[I]Jugulator[/I] wasn't too bad. Nothing compared to the other Priest stuff though.

Apocalyptic Raids 06-16-2006 07:06 AM

I have Defenders ordered at the library :cool:

Jaffe 06-16-2006 09:51 AM

Today I sat down and listened to Stained Class again (long time since last time I listened to it). It's really an amazing album! Actually, of all songs on the album, I seem to like Savage best, despite many people calling it a filler or one of the weakest on the album. Rob screams like hell on the intro!

Saxon Priest 06-16-2006 10:54 AM

I'm surprised Stained Class doesn't get the attention of Painkiller etc I really like it. Beyond the Realms of Death has my favourite guitar solo.

Jaffe 06-17-2006 04:29 AM

Yeah, I think Painkiller is a little overrated too. But don't get me wrong, it's a good album, but it get far too much attention over (what I see as) better albums, like for example Stained Class.

Rrrrrrr 06-17-2006 05:59 PM

Painkiller isn't overrated; the older Priest albums are underrated.

Riva 06-18-2006 03:32 AM

Exactly. People need to pay more attention to the late '70s, early '80s.

Jaffe 06-18-2006 07:21 AM

Exactly, Riva. [b]All[/b] the albums from Rocka Rolla to Hell bent for Leather hold a very good quality level, and are probably quite overlooked (specially the two or three first). I wont say that British Steel and Point of Entry has the same quality that those albums have. Maybe Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith can be compared...

Anyway, the best thing about Priest, is that it's so varied from album to album. Each album has something special, a new sound, tempo, etc. If you look at other bands like for example Maiden or AC/DC, it's very often the same over and over again from album to album. If you're in a sad mood, Priest has a song for that. If you're happy, a song from Turbo will do (not kidding).

Apocalyptic Raids 06-18-2006 07:26 AM

I agree, although at the same time I like how some bands don't change their style.

It's a double edged sword, really.

-The Frank 06-18-2006 08:31 AM

[QUOTE=Jaffe]Exactly, Riva. [b]All[/b] the albums from Rocka Rolla to Hell bent for Leather hold a very good quality level, and are probably quite overlooked (specially the two or three first). I wont say that British Steel and Point of Entry has the same quality that those albums have. Maybe Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith can be compared...

Anyway, the best thing about Priest, is that it's so varied from album to album. Each album has something special, a new sound, tempo, etc. If you look at other bands like for example [b]Maiden[/b] or AC/DC, it's very often the same over and over again from album to album. If you're in a sad mood, Priest has a song for that. If you're happy, a song from Turbo will do (not kidding).[/QUOTE]

Hardly, go listen to the album 'killers' then the album 'somewhere in time' :rolleyes:

Jaffe 06-18-2006 03:13 PM

[QUOTE=-The Frank]Hardly, go listen to the album 'killers' then the album 'somewhere in time' :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Well, by that I meant songs from Maiden with Bruce, sorry. Their two first albums are quite different. But listen to something from the other albums [b]with Bruce[/b].

Allthough, I kinda expected that answer from you, since you are a fanboy...

Riva 06-18-2006 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=Jaffe]If you're happy, a song from Turbo will do (not kidding).[/QUOTE]

Haha. If I'm happy I don't want to be depressed by [I]Turbo[/I]. :p

-The Frank 06-19-2006 01:13 AM

[QUOTE=Jaffe]Well, by that I meant songs from Maiden with Bruce, sorry. Their two first albums are quite different. But listen to something from the other albums [b]with Bruce[/b].

Allthough, I kinda expected that answer from you, since you are a fanboy...[/QUOTE]

I have been trying to stop talking about maiden in a priest thread but seriously you have no idea what your talking about when you're saying maiden havent changes their sound over the years.
Do you really need another example?
Listen to 'Seventh son of a seventh son' then try listening to any song off of 'no prayer for the dying' or 'fear of the dark'.

That being said i'll try to keep my maiden posts in here to a minimum.

Jaffe 06-19-2006 06:33 AM

[QUOTE=-The Frank]I have been trying to stop talking about maiden in a priest thread but seriously you have no idea what your talking about when you're saying maiden havent changes their sound over the years.
Do you really need another example?
Listen to 'Seventh son of a seventh son' then try listening to any song off of 'no prayer for the dying' or 'fear of the dark'.

That being said i'll try to keep my maiden posts in here to a minimum.[/QUOTE]

If you like Maiden that much, post in the Maiden thread! I just used Maiden as a example, because I KNOW that many people agree that they sound very much the same.

By the way: I listened to tracks from Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, and from Fear of the Dark. Apart from the synth on Seventh Son, I didn't hear any big difference in the style or sound...

-The Frank 06-19-2006 09:17 AM

^^^
you obviously are deaf then.

Anyway, all today i had the intro to 'the rage' in my head so i just had to go and learn it to get it out of my system.

Saxon Priest 06-20-2006 09:11 AM

[QUOTE=Jaffe]If you like Maiden that much, post in the Maiden thread! I just used Maiden as a example, because I KNOW that many people agree that they sound very much the same.

By the way: I listened to tracks from Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, and from Fear of the Dark. Apart from the synth on Seventh Son, I didn't hear any big difference in the style or sound...[/QUOTE]



Then why would some people say that they prefer the "Old Maiden" to the "New Maiden"?

I'm not trying to argue,admittedly there isn't the kind of variation between albums that Priest have done but you could've probably used a much better example than Maiden.

Rrrrrrr 06-20-2006 11:01 AM

quit biching about Maiden plz

or some heads are gonna roll :mad:

so did anyone get to see them on that VH1 Rock Honours thing? And if so, did they play anything cool or was it just breaking the law or you've got another thing comin' or something like that?

Deth 06-20-2006 11:05 AM

Yeah, it was Breaking the Law and You Got Another Thing Comin' :(.

Plus, Godsmack sucked at their covers because Sulley can't sing like Rob and they have one guitarist.

-The Frank 06-20-2006 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=Rrrrrrr]quit biching about Maiden plz

or some heads are gonna roll :mad:

so did anyone get to see them on that VH1 Rock Honours thing? And if so, did they play anything cool or was it just breaking the law or you've got another thing comin' or something like that?[/QUOTE]
Theres videos of priest's performence on youtube.

Deth 06-20-2006 11:49 AM

I've been listening to Priest for about 2 hours now. Good times.

NP: Dreamer Deceiver

Saxon Priest 06-20-2006 11:50 AM

[QUOTE=Rrrrrrr]quit biching about Maiden plz

[B]or some heads are gonna roll [/B]:mad:

so did anyone get to see them on that VH1 Rock Honours thing? And if so, did they play anything cool or was it just breaking the law or you've got another thing comin' or something like that?[/QUOTE]



You take my life but I'll take yours too, you fire your musket but I'll run you through. :thumb:







I'm not bitching Maiden. :)

Neoteric 06-20-2006 12:00 PM

Wearing my British Steel tee right now, life is good :cool:

Deth 06-20-2006 12:13 PM

You know what would make my day better right now? Rapid Fire.

/puts on Rapid Fire

Rrrrrrr 06-20-2006 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=Saxon Priest]You take my life but I'll take yours too, you fire your musket but I'll run you through. :thumb:

I'm not bitching Maiden. :)[/QUOTE]
you're never safe from my heart of a lion


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