[QUOTE=Luc214;16396031]Wintersun is not black metal.

lol[/QUOTE]

okay, I know that, but Jari uses Black metal vocals a lot. I asked how much would you consider their band black metal as a whole?

i like cory from norma jeans black metal vocals more because theyre much deeper

ya i get the feeling that he really knows which phase the moon is in

bm vocals =/= bm

easy

hahahha

yeah he probably noes it better than all those pagan satanist scumbags

lol pagan satanist

um how wuld u put it then smartasS?

pagan =/= satanist

um yeh watever

[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396043]bm vocals =/= bm

easy[/QUOTE]

I disagree totally.

I think there are many bands that the [B]only[/B] reason they are or aren't considered in a genre is because of their vocals.

Opeth would NEVER be considered Death metal if Mikael didn't use his harsh vocals, At the Gates ( on SOTS) is ONLY death metal because of the harsh vocals.

Even if you look at metallica on their heaviest songs like "Fight Fire with Fire". I'm pretty sure if you exchanged James vocals for Lord Wurm from Cryptopsy, people would call that a death metal song.

Vocals have a lot do with with how bands are placed in different genres.

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396058]I disagree totally.

I think there are many bands that the [B]only[/B] reason they are or aren't considered in a genre is because of their vocals.

Opeth would NEVER be considered Death metal if Mikael didn't use his harsh vocals, At the Gates ( on SOTS) is ONLY death metal because of the harsh vocals.

Even if you look at metallica on their heaviest songs like "Fight Fire with Fire". I'm pretty sure if you exchanged James vocals for Lord Wurm from Cryptopsy, people would call that a death metal song.

Vocals have a lot do with with how bands are placed in different genres.[/QUOTE]

this just shows that you have no real idea of why one band is in one genre and you only go by how it "sounds"

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[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396065]this just shows that you have no real idea of why one band is in one genre and you only go by how it "sounds"[/QUOTE]

I understand that there are tons of people that have different ideas of which bands should go in which genre, and nobody can really say for certain which band goes where.

I just think that vocals have a big effect on where bands are placed in genres by many people, including me.

sik debate

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396068]I understand that there are tons of people that have different ideas of which bands should go in which genre, and nobody can really say for certain which band goes where.

I just think that vocals have a big effect on where bands are placed in genres by many people, including me.[/QUOTE]

vocals (and production) have a big effect on where people place genres when they haven't really looked into what makes one genre different from another. hence go by what it "sounds like" - like thinking cradle of filth is black metal because it uses shrieking vocals or confusion as to how CoB is power metal because of the vocals.

stevie stfu, we all realize hes retarded

interviewer, stfu even you should realize youre retarded by now

[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396073]vocals (and production) have a big effect on where people place genres when they haven't really looked into what makes one genre different from another. hence go by what it "sounds like"[/QUOTE]

Vocals play a HUGE role in many bands. How could you possibly say that vocals [I]don't[/I] play a large factor in how bands go into certain genres?

[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16396076]stevie stfu, we all realize hes retarded

interviewer, stfu even you should realize youre retarded by now[/QUOTE]

what are you talking about, how am I retarded?

Vocals play a large factor in how bands are categorized, arguably the biggest factor. (depending on the band)

Some bands its really not a factor, some bands, its a pretty big factor, thats not retarded, its true.

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396079]Vocals play a HUGE role in many bands. How could you possibly say that vocals [I]don't[/I] play a large factor in how bands go into certain genres?[/QUOTE]

i didn't say that. i said that putting bands in genres purely because of their vocals is what a lot of people do when they haven't looked at what really makes a band in one genre

like the confusion of the difference between grindcore and death meatl

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396083]what are you talking about, how am I retarded?[/quote]

ill answer this question with the next sentence of your post:

[quote]Vocals play a large factor in how bands are categorized, [B]arguably the biggest factor. [/B] (depending on the band)[/quote]

lol, now do you see?

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[quote=interviewer02;16396058]I disagree totally.

I think there are many bands that the [B]only[/B] reason they are or aren't considered in a genre is because of their vocals.[/quote]

lol no

Skeletonwitch is thrash, but the vocals are sort of black/death mixture.

[quote]Opeth would NEVER be considered Death metal if Mikael didn't use his harsh vocals, At the Gates ( on SOTS) is ONLY death metal because of the harsh vocals.[/quote]

Wrong on both counts. Opeth is PROGRESSIVE DEATH, which has a much different sound. Disillusion is also progressive death metal, but they don't have any growls. And At The Gates is melodic death, I have no idea how they're only death because of the vocals (which aren't that death to begin with).

[quote]Even if you look at metallica on their heaviest songs like "Fight Fire with Fire". I'm pretty sure if you exchanged James vocals for Lord Wurm from Cryptopsy, people would call that a death metal song.[/quote]

No it would be considered very extreme thrash.

[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396084]i didn't say that. i said that putting bands in genres purely because of their vocals is what a lot of people do when they haven't looked at what really makes a band in one genre

like the confusion of the difference between grindcore and death meatl[/QUOTE]


Stevie, please cite when I specifically said that I put bands into genres [I]purely[/I] because of their vocals. You can't, because I never did. I simply made a few examples of bands in which their music could probably be put in more than one genre, but the vocals are a deciding factor.

Listen to a song like "Crystal Mountain" -Death, and try telling me that if you put a different vocalist that sung with clean vocals that, that would still be a death metal song.

Honestly, I see people arguing all the time about "which band goes in which genre" obviously there is nothing set in stone. Vocals are a key part of a band's package, and you HAVE to look at the end musical product while labeling a band in a genre. Changing the vocals drastically IS changing the band's end product, and that can change how they are labeled into certain genres. Please, someone tell me.

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[QUOTE=Luc214;16396089]Anyway I finally got a link for the remastered Gallows Gallery.

<3



lol no

Skeletonwitch is thrash, but the vocals are sort of black/death mixture.



Wrong on both counts. Opeth is PROGRESSIVE DEATH, which has a much different sound. Disillusion is also progressive death metal, but they don't have any growls. And At The Gates is melodic death, I have no idea how they're only death because of the vocals (which aren't that death to begin with).



No it would be considered very extreme thrash.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying that a huge factor for At the Gates being death metal is the vocals. Honestly, the music is much more thrashy than death metal, and the guitarwork is very melodic and reminds me of present metalcore bands.

Oh, okay, Opeth is progressive death metal, by [I]your[/I] standards, I've heard people say Opeth isn't even a death metal band to begin with, so lets argue whether or not they're death metal.(lets not, I'm just saying we could)
I think Opeth is progressive death metal also, so I am in agreement with you there. You have to admit that a factor in that labeling is Akerfeldt's vocal approach. If he sang cleanly %100 of the time, they would lean more to being a straight progressive band, and not as much a death metal band.

[QUOTE=Eliminator;16396123]forreal, everytime we wanna get dangerous he pussies out n ****[/QUOTE]

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