hahaha.... go away billy bob.... imo korn is pretty good.... so is eminem... makes me laugh... and so is OPETH... my fav band... to me.... metal is some what of an attitude.... i think korn is metal... because i get the same feeling from them as i do when i listen to.... god forbid or somethin.... korn is just as intense as god forbid... they just put their intensity across in a different way.

its allll good.

nu-Metal isn't metal at all, It's just Hard Rock with a shiney sticker and elements of Alternative

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Even when Korn themselves say that they arent metal...[/QUOTE]
well they sure as hell aren't jazz :p
[QUOTE=MetalFan]^
conclusion? - it's c00L to sAy tht U LiStEn tO *MeTaL*[/QUOTE]
that's very true
4n iF u dnt say u HA+3 nu-MetAL, ur a pozur, 2
(well, at least on the ultimate-guitar.com forums, anyway :lol: )
[QUOTE=bob the ripper apple.]i think korn is metal... because i get the same feeling from them as i do when i listen to.... god forbid or somethin.... korn is just as intense as god forbid... they just put their intensity across in a different way.

its allll good.[/QUOTE]
:chug: :chug:

^They sure as hell arent metal


God call them hard rock, call them whatever, but korn is not metal.

Metal is more than the attitude. It is also based off of the sound, riffage, scales it is based off of, etc.

Besides based off of that logic you could call Eminem metal....

Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::
But I would put korn in nu-metal ::how do you say nu-metal isn't metal, when it says metal in it, you weren't the one who made the word so stop saying what it is and isn't::
( this is some of my opinions and some of it is just plain facts )

[QUOTE=procreationb]Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::[/QUOTE]

It is naive to think that heavy metal has not spawned an entire counterculture based around it.

And I think you need to do a little more studying on hte cultural influences of music throughout history. Attitude, social mores, whatever you want to call it, the beliefs of a time period greatly affect and are affected by the music of that era.

[QUOTE=procreationb]Music is not attitude, music is based off of sound. ::duh::
But I would put korn in nu-metal ::how do you say nu-metal isn't metal, when it says metal in it, you weren't the one who made the word so stop saying what it is and isn't::
( this is some of my opinions and some of it is just plain facts )[/QUOTE]

(And all of it is just plain retarded.)

Care to explain pop-punk? It isnt punk yet it has punk in its name.

I could name my cat "Dog". By you logic since the cat's name is "Dog" it is a dog.

What would Darkthrone be considered?

Oh wow it's been a [I]really[/I] long time since I ventured into this thread.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]What would Darkthrone be considered?[/QUOTE]

They would be black metal.

Seriously? Wow...

I guess I do like some black metal then...

So, would stuff like darkwave ans coldwave go in the metal forum or the other music forum?

Metal is a combination of emotion and sound. Korn and Opeth both have dark and angry lyrics, and they both use heavy guitar distortion and drums, bass, etc. to get an aggressive sound.

For example, you couldn't call AC/DC metal, because their lyrics are enerally about love and sex, and their distortion isn't as heavy or aggressive as Korn and Opeth (even though Korn and Opeth have [i]radically[/i] different distortion types themselves).

^
Ahem...Can't you see other *slight* differences between Korn and Opeth?

I can.

KoRn = Nu-metal garbage
Opeth = Amazing

[QUOTE=Kaden]Industrial Metal:
I've often heard industrial metal compared to techno, mainly because it has prevalent use of synthesizers as a major instrument. It takes cues from 80's industrial dance music that was popular in the club scene, and adds metal guitars to create an aggresive effect. Industrial metal is meant to create a very bleak atmoshpere. The lyrics are aggresive and very, very angst-ridden, and the angry atmoshpere is used to further the theme of social alienation. The genre was mainly underground until Nine Inch Nails broke through into the mainstream with the album Pretty Hate Machine.

Key bands: Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Skinny Puppy, Fear Factory, Orgy, Godflesh, etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

Skinny Puppy is Industrial not Industrial Metal. Industrial Metal actually has guitars in just about every song.

Also I would classify Tool as Stoner Rock.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes](And all of it is just plain retarded.)

Care to explain pop-punk? It isnt punk yet it has punk in its name.

I could name my cat "Dog". By you logic since the cat's name is "Dog" it is a dog.[/QUOTE]


Pop-punk is basically saying it's wuss punk... And the artists that make the music are the ones who make the quote on quote "types of music". I don't see why you were so hostile though I was mostly agreeing with you.

sorry. I was pissed off due to lack of sleep, lack of food, and a big a[I]s[/I]s project I had to do in one day.

and i thought i was the only trans who liked tool

[QUOTE=SickAmongstPure]I can.

KoRn = Nu-metal garbage
Opeth = Amazing[/QUOTE]

Korn = heavy, aggressive, emotional
Opeth = heavy, aggressive, emotional

heavy+aggressive+emotional = metal

And there you have it.

[QUOTE=Kriz864]Korn = heavy, aggressive, emotional
Opeth = heavy, aggressive, emotional

heavy+aggressive+emotional = metal

And there you have it.[/QUOTE]

Oh really?

A Past and Future Secret is a very stirring acoustic ballad about the life and death of Arthur Pendragon. It was written by Power Metal band Blind Guardian.

Nightmare was a haunting acoustic piece with an electric guitar solo at the end written by European metal guitarrist Michael Schenker.

Rainbow in the Dark is one of Ronnie James Dio's best songs. It wasn't particularly heavy, but anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool.

To summarize, your theory is full of holes and stands on weak legs at best.

How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something. Metal generally has talent involved, korn = talentless IMO, just a bit of drop D and a 5 note riff. nu-metal, honestly, i don't even think nu-metal deserves to be called metal, i think it's crap, but once again, that's just my opinion. in short OPETH=****ING BRILLIANT AND METAL!!!! KORN=PRETTY CRAP NON METAL STUFF

[QUOTE=Grey Incision]How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something.[/QUOTE]
And...?`

I certainly would start crying if someone made me listen to In Flames or God Hates Us All, but if I had to sit through an entire Opeth album I would kill myself by swallowing my fist. Whereas I might barely make it alive through 1.5 Korn albums.

[QUOTE=Ragnarok Snake]What about Power Metal?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

[QUOTE=god_hates_us_all]Yeah, that's what I was wondering.[/QUOTE]

If a genre is missing, fill in the gaps yourself. I already took care of Power Metal a few pages back. Here you go:

[quote][U]Power Metal[/U]

Power Metal was largely inspired by the works of Iron Maiden and Ronnie James Dio. Helloween is often given credit for defining the genre as we know it today. Power metal is often scorned and laughed at by outsiders due to the over-the-top lyrics and high fantasy imagery. The music itself is typically defined by a driving rhythm section, usually featuring a lot of double bass drumming, and a tight sense of melody, thus requiring a high degree of technical skill and musicianship. The vocalists tend to be very diverse and it is difficult to find unifying themes across the genre, though a singer with a very strong, epic-sounding voice is common. The lyrical content of power metal often has high fantasy or sword & sorcery themes. Many power metal bands are known for an over-the-top stage presence. A prime example of which is Manowar, who have on two separate occassions broken the records as "The World's Loudest Band."

Notable Bands: Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Helloween, Manowar, Nightwish, Rhapsody, (arguably) Iced Earth, Dragonforce[/quote]

[QUOTE=BuzzFreak]Skinny Puppy is Industrial not Industrial Metal. Industrial Metal actually has guitars in just about every song.

Also I would classify Tool as Stoner Rock.[/QUOTE]

Thou shalt not classify Tool.

It is really hard to classify Tool, ill just leave them at prog.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]It is really hard to classify Tool, ill just leave them at prog.[/QUOTE]

:: I'll go along with that ::

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[QUOTE=Steerpike]Oh really?

A Past and Future Secret is a very stirring acoustic ballad about the life and death of Arthur Pendragon. It was written by Power Metal band Blind Guardian.

Nightmare was a haunting acoustic piece with an electric guitar solo at the end written by European metal guitarrist Michael Schenker.

Rainbow in the Dark is one of Ronnie James Dio's best songs. It wasn't particularly heavy, but anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool.
[/QUOTE]

"Anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool"......in your [I]opinion[/I]. And it's my opinion that people who don't consider Korn to be metal are fools. It's not set in concrete - you can't prove me wrong in saying Korn is metal and I can't prove you wrong for saying they're not.

And I was only using Opeth as an example. Lamb of God and Iron Maiden are both heavy and aggressive, in the same way that Disturbed and Rammstein are. The differences are way too small (imo, of course) to call the first two "metal" and say they're great, and call the other two "nu" metal, and say they suck.

[QUOTE=Grey Incision]How is korn considered metal? if thats the idea you've got, then linkin park are metal ffs. *BUZZ* **** NO! you get a bunch of 12 year old girls in a room and play some korn, they will most likely start nodding their heads and start saying it's good because they want to be hardcore like MTV, you put some Opeth,slayer, In flames and even bloody slipknot on, and they will start crying or getting scared or something. Metal generally has talent involved, korn = talentless IMO, just a bit of drop D and a 5 note riff. nu-metal, honestly, i don't even think nu-metal deserves to be called metal, i think it's crap, but once again, that's just my opinion. in short OPETH=****ING BRILLIANT AND METAL!!!! KORN=PRETTY CRAP NON METAL STUFF[/QUOTE]
:lol: Utter load of bullsh[i][/i]it. For starters, people of all ages like the band Korn, people only stereotype it for little kids when they want it to help their argument. My dad is 40 years old, he GREW UP with bands like AC/DC, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Led Zeppelin (albeit, none of those bands are metal) and he's still a fan of Korn. If you say Korn is drop D and a 5 note riff, it makes people think you've never heard a Korn song in your entire life. Korn's music has so much more depth (excluding the lyrics but including the vocals), melody, and countermelody than Cannibal Corpse, for example, that comparing the two is laughable. And it's true that Johnathan Davis's lyrics aren't the most creative ever written, but it's the same way with just as many traditional metal bands as it is with modern metal like Korn.

Korn and Opeth are both brilliant and talented.

[QUOTE=metalmorphosis]i am offering any north carolina metal/rock bands free promotional endorsements from my website. if you are intereste de-mail me at [email]KirkJamesLarsCliffRobert@yahoo.com[/email] or [email]ssjGokuden@msn.com[/email],
or dumbarssegallo is my i.m. if needed, i have promotional contests and will give you your own sub-domain (*mini web-site*)[/QUOTE]

You're so banned. How ****ing stupid do you think we are?

[QUOTE=Kriz864]"Anyone who says Dio isn't metal is a fool"......in your [I]opinion[/I]. And it's my opinion that people who don't consider Korn to be metal are fools. It's not set in concrete - you can't prove me wrong in saying Korn is metal and I can't prove you wrong for saying they're not.[/quote]

It's not Korn's metalness I'm debating. It's the fact that you're using a poor argument to defend your stance. The way you define metal is a gross over-simplification.

[quote]And I was only using Opeth as an example. Lamb of God and Iron Maiden are both heavy and aggressive, in the same way that Disturbed and Rammstein are. The differences are way too small (imo, of course) to call the first two "metal" and say they're great, and call the other two "nu" metal, and say they suck.[/quote]

But that argument is irrelevant as well because only Disturbed is considered a band in the nu-metal movement. I don't what Lamb of God and Rammstein are considered, but Iron Maiden is NWOBHM.

If you take the time to read through this whole thread, you'll see that there are differences and they're certainly not "way too small" to be relevant in a discussion.