[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]As for the conversation thing, one normally does not jump into a verbal conversation that is happening between others and change the topic, so why should an internet conversation be any different.[/QUOTE]

Okay, but what's your point? A conversation about music/bands/albums is much easier for a newcomer to jump into the fray than a more personal conversation that could go on AIM or MSN.

Example:

1: I didn't really like Octavarium a whole lot; I was expecting it to be a bit more heavy like [i]Train of Thought[/i] but Petrucci is still pretty awesome.
2: Yeah, Petrucci is a beast, but I'd give that album a pretty solid 4/5.
1: Well, what songs do you like on there to give it a 4/5? I only like "These Walls" and the title track.
2: Those two are great, but my favorite track on there is "Panic Attack."
1: I don't like that song, man, the intro takes forever and is boring.
3: I actually like the intro, tbqh. Myung and Portnoy are also very good musicians, not just Petrucci. If you guys like him so much you should check out [i]Suspended Animation[/i].
1: Own it, love it, etc.
2: Yeah, that is an excellent album.
4: I think Petrucci is really overrated, though. Just because he went to some upper-tier music school all the fanboys here drool over him. I don't think he's as good as people hype him up to be.
1: :eek: Tell me you didn't just say that!
2: Seriously man Petrucci is sweet, but whatev.

Versus everyday chatter. I don't feel like citing posts at this point, but when I was on the staff and I was looking in on some threads where there were problems going on, I would take care of those problems, only to find L&R/community thread/etc. type posting going on there.

The proposed conversation, while short (I'm not going to type paragraphs all the time for each person) shows two people in a music conversation, but with two more people being able to join in on the fray and post opinions without the other two getting all bent out of shape about it. In some of these band threads, that can't happen because discussion of the band isn't even really happening.

But this is just what I've seen. Maybe it's changed, I dunno.

I was just wondering whether the covers competition was going to start up again, or if it's done...?

You mean the one where each thread was going to submit a cover?

Umm that might have been it, but I thought there used to be an individual covers competition as well...

There was an induvidual one a long time ago.

Yeah..it's not gonna happen anymore?

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477044[/url]

Asking if he should buy an album

so you think its better to have several smaller band threads about a special topic instead of the big ones?

It's kinda like we have a million OFFICIAL threads even though it doesn't say it in the title. I could see why some people and especially mods don't like it but I really don't mind. It's actually easier to keep talking about your favorite bands if you're part of that community, f.e. my Pain of Salvation thread, though it hasn't been around for a while and I'm not bumping it just because there hasn't been any news and noone else seems to want to talk about them. I think I'd be very welcoming to all talk of the band and especially new users but it just seems like noone is flaming them.

The only thread that really annoys me is the Wintersun thread where they don't talk about Wintersun, just GP5. I think the only way to get rid of it would be to create a new Wintersun thread, where there is no community yet and new users could have a chance. Plus, there would be actual discussion.

So maybe what we're saying is we need to break up the individual communities?

Well, like I said, I did close the Pink Floyd thread and start a new one, and it was only a few weeks before the status quo returned.

Yeah, but atleast it was discussion on Pink Floyd right? All they talk about in the Wintersun thread is their compositions they make on GP4.

If it wasn't discussion on Pink Floyd then I feel stupid.

Either way this is just my complaint on the Wintersun thread, which is somewhat related to the problem as a whole.

Well, when threads start extending, it's only natural that they get off-topic. I don't really go into the Wintersun thread a lot, so I don't really know how bad it is. But I guess the Slayer thread is like that, but we usually stick to Slayer's new album, songs, or mechandise, so we basically stay on topic.

I don't think we should have those corny thread title names, they don't really serve a purpose. It was funny when we had a couple, but now every single thread has that.

I guess you could close a lot of the threads that you guys see having the most problems, but I don't really see it making a huge change on the matter of discussion. Just like Riva said, he already close the Pink Floyd thread, then I guess it was just right back to the regulars posting. But honestly, there isn't a lot we can do to prevent that.

Maybe cause it's we have so many regulars. I remember when I first joined there weren't that many recognizable users aside from Steerpike, Riva, Antihero314584728 (Jom gave me the new Mudvayne in the beginning, thx jom), the mods at the time, and very few others.

Personally, in terms of "productive" discussion, it just can't happen in specific band threads, especially in one wherein the band is not making a new album, or is in some cases nonexistant. Eventually, the conversation runs dry. And once the communites set in, it is harder for new people to penetrate them, because of the overwhelming size of the thread.

The threads that do, in my mind, get genuinly good discussion are those that are genre threads. For example, I've found many new bands and have had some good conversation about bands in the Progressive Rock thread, the Post Rock thread, etc. I think having large threads on a broad topic opens it up to much more opportunity for ongoing discussion.

But, to be fair, those people that are within one of the "band thread communites" really enjoy those. So I wouldn't think that taking them away would be a good idea. I think we should start re-emplementing some old proccesses like Featured Artists and Featured Genres to get the ball rolling on inciting new, and often-times transient discussion, rather than what the huge, year-old "OFFICIAL" threads churn out.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12643291#post12643291[/url]

You should be able to close this now. I know I wasn't, nor any other user, supposed to post in it, but I thought it was kind of pointless not to help him out. I gave him some bands to check out, and a link to the rules thread.

[url]http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12644823#post12644823[/url] Close.

Haha, you're beaten. Wow, by 5 hours. :p

:o

>_>

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[QUOTE=Kage]Personally, in terms of "productive" discussion, it just can't happen in specific band threads, especially in one wherein the band is not making a new album, or is in some cases nonexistant. Eventually, the conversation runs dry. And once the communites set in, it is harder for new people to penetrate them, because of the overwhelming size of the thread.

The threads that do, in my mind, get genuinly good discussion are those that are genre threads. For example, I've found many new bands and have had some good conversation about bands in the Progressive Rock thread, the Post Rock thread, etc. I think having large threads on a broad topic opens it up to much more opportunity for ongoing discussion.

But, to be fair, those people that are within one of the "band thread communites" really enjoy those. So I wouldn't think that taking them away would be a good idea. I think we should start re-emplementing some old proccesses like Featured Artists and Featured Genres to get the ball rolling on inciting new, and often-times transient discussion, rather than what the huge, year-old "OFFICIAL" threads churn out.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%

Hell, if it weren't for the Thrash thread I probably would have continued lurking.

[QUOTE]Yeah, but atleast it was discussion on Pink Floyd right? All they talk about in the Wintersun thread is their compositions they make on GP4.[/QUOTE]
and Bodom has just become the same 4 or 5 people talking about guitar playing.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477198[/url]

Got his answer.

Haha. Beat two times in one day.

See above post, Josh.

>:-[

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:(

Thanks, mate.

Any ideas/desicions as far as the hot issue (about band threads) is concerned, Jason?

Hey Riva, or any other mod in here:

I'd like to start a R+M keyboard thread in R+M but I could see someone being like "Oh well then we should have a guitar thread" or "We have a piano/keyboard forum already". I'd just like to hear what the mods would say about it. I think it's reasonable because keyboard is kind of an unappreciated instrument but is on the rise.

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Out

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]How practical would that be?[/QUOTE]

What I meant was, the problem is [i]how[/i] to get rid of them, now that they exist and have existed.

[QUOTE=Mister Blue Sky]
Close the threads and let's start making individual threads again.[/QUOTE]

Would that work, though? That's the problem. We could close all the non-official Official threads with the stupid names, and go back to the old rule of just "don't make a thread on a topic if such a thread already exists". But then a thread on, for example, Children of Bodom would be started, and people would be so used to posting in the way they currently do in the band threads that the new, normal, non-band threads would essentially just be restarts of what we have now. We can't just say "no threads on bands X, Y and Z", because that's just stupid, but the way things are now is pretty intolerable too. Any attempt to police the middle ground would be very difficult first to decide upon, and then to enforce.

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close da thred cuz there is already n'other one.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474853&highlight=nirvana[/url]

Close this!
[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477468[/url]

Why?
We already have a Mr.Bungle thread!

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