I really can't choose my favourite Frank Zappa record. However, I love Civilization Phaze III, Freak Out!, We're Only in it For the Money and Lather.

I prefer Buddy Miles drumming with Jimi Anyday
 

When it was an all balck band they had much more groove in my opionion and the sound was all together fatter.

eh, but he wasnt as talented. i prefer mitch, he's got more style in my opinion.

now billy cox as opposed to redding? psh. no contest. cox all the way.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]eh, but he wasnt as talented. i prefer mitch, he's got more style in my opinion.

now billy cox as opposed to redding? psh. no contest. cox all the way.[/QUOTE]

They're both great, it is just a matter of personal preference, but there is no question on the bass players. If you like the band of gypsies stuff check out our website

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I'm positive some one had already said this but

I don't want to read through all the post.

if you like the funky Hendric check out the live at philmore
stuff.

Yeah both the experience and the band of gypsys were great, its debatable who's better though maybe the experience just because they, especially mitch, contributed to some of the great ideas found on Jimi's studio albums besides just playing on them.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]eh, but he wasnt as talented. i prefer mitch, he's got more style in my opinion.

now billy cox as opposed to redding? psh. no contest. cox all the way.[/QUOTE]
Buddy Miles is ten times the drummer that Mitch Mitchell is. However, Mitch matches a lot better with Jimi because his style is so much looser.

[QUOTE=unclebobscircus]Buddy Miles is ten times the drummer that Mitch Mitchell is. However, Mitch matches a lot better with Jimi because his style is so much looser.[/QUOTE]
how is he 10 times a better drummer? along with ian paice, mitchell was among the first to bring jazz chops into rock music. he was more stylish, technical, and had more of a presence. miles had good timing. i cant think of any other benefits of having him as a drummer.

His abaility to keep the groove
 

The weight he put behind the beats made the whole thing groove better and mad it funkier

I have come to the conclusion that those who say groove is a subjective matter, is right. I used to automatically think 4/4 swing = good/groovy. Well, I still think 4/4 swing sounds groovy, however, it might be because I haven't heard as many 4/4 swing songs as standard 4/4 songs.

Now, as I'm still very eager about this specific rhythm; is there a few concrete songs in which Hendrix incorporates 4/4 swing? I'd like to know, as he got - in my opinion - a great sense of rhythm by nature.

Any inputs?

[QUOTE=unclebobscircus]Buddy Miles is ten times the drummer that Mitch Mitchell is. However, Mitch matches a lot better with Jimi because his style is so much looser.[/QUOTE]
Just rediculous.
Miles was, to me, a much better vocalist than drummer.
Never showed the kind of versatility as a percussionist that Mitch did.

[QUOTE=Fatback]Just rediculous.
Miles was, to me, a much better vocalist than drummer.
Never showed the kind of versatility as a percussionist that Mitch did.[/QUOTE]
that would be because he didnt HAVE any versatility. he could play fairly standard beats but he could never embellish them or give them the flair that mitchell could.

Exactamundo.

When you can tell who the player is after a few bars, it's not always a GOOD thing. Such was the case with Miles...the ultimate one-trick pony.

Mitch is my all time favourite drummer. Buddy's dcent though.

Mitchell had some pretty amazing fills. He always made Hendrix even more interesting to listen to for me.

Interesting discussion. I think I will have to explore the albums on which the differen drummers appeared.

Band of Gypsies everytime for me, Buddy Miles plays like Tiki Fullwood to me althought Tiki has more feel

Versatility and precision...
 

Does it really matter how versatile a drummer is if he's got no precision?

I have no idea on the difference between the drummers myself - I'm just asking after reading a couple of the previous statements.

yes, i would. but are you implying that mitchell has no precision?

I just read the last page of posts over again, and realized that my previous message made no sense at all.

I am going to listen to works on which both of the drummers appear, and I'll see whether I notice any difference.

Mitch Mitchell wasn't that great of a drummer. He fit perfect in Hendrix's band, and definitely came up with a lot of great drum lines, but he really didn't have the chops to come up with a drum solo or anything (if you listen, whenever he tries to put together a drum solo, it gets really good for a second but he just doesn't have the training to sustain it).

I don't really recall an attempt at a drum solo . What recording?
Pretty sure I had 'em all at some time.

i know i have most of them, im only missing some of the post-death stuff that was released and ive never heard him attempt a drum solo.

Fatback, for a second I thought you were talking about Miles Davis.

[QUOTE=Fatback]I don't really recall an attempt at a drum solo . What recording?
Pretty sure I had 'em all at some time.[/QUOTE]
You could listen to some live records, or some of the extended jams (like Voodoo Chile).

How about Hendrix with Jaco Pastorius (and, say, Billy Cobham)?

Reponse to unclebobscircus:
I don't think anybodys buying it, Skippy.
"The Experience" wasn't a democracy. It was "The Jimi Show" starring Jimi, produced and directed by Jimi, with a special appearance nightly by Jimi.

Mitch and Noel (talented as they were) were the epitome of "sidemen".

Mitch was in a band before he joined with Hendrix, and he played smooth jazz with a chello player and pianist at some fancy restaraunt. All he had was a snare and a ride.

OK - so is there anyone who got a few ideas on which albums that best desribe each of the drummers? I want to explore this a little more.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.

miles only drums with hendrix on the band of gypsys live album. mitchell drums on all the rest.

Are you certain? It seems to me that Buddy might have appeared on First Rays of the New Rising Sun too. I know that Cox shared bass duties on it.
Ezy Rider seems to be stuck in my head as something that sounded like Miles, for instance.
Could be wrong. I was playing an awful lot of chromosome roulette in those days.

hmm, not sure. i know cox does bass because he stayed with him after band of gypsys, but they went back to mitch, as far as i know.

I'm just thinking that there was work released after the live "Band of Gypsies"
that featured Noel, Billy, Mitch AND Buddy (and not just the post-humous stuff)....but like I said, I [I]could[/I] be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks. I now got the information I wanted. Time to finally explore this Hendrix fellow - and his partners - for real.

As Jimmy Page was a subject for discussion in this thread a while ago, I'll just add that I just watched parts of the live concert The Show Remains The Same. I've read earlier about people describing him as sloppy. Might be, but my admiration for Page did not decrease after watching this show. Now the whole band is great, of course, but as I'm playing guitar myself from time to time, it's natural for me to watch Page especially.

I'll admit he doesn't neccessarily focus on timing for all of his solos. In addition, not all of his notes get much focus. However, he got a certain pace. Technically no Malmsteen, but he's got his own style and that's what I like. He's got a spirit which I have not seen in many other guitarists. There's an extra "spark" which seems to be his characteristic trademark. Also, his creativity seems rather unlimited.

To sum it up. A great guitarist which I'll enjoy more in the future. If I'm feeling for fast, technically perfect soloing, I'll go for Malmsteen or Petrucci. If I want "most other things except technically perfect playing", I will listen to Page. Really inspiring.

Technically perfect and Malmsteen do not belong in the same sentence.

I'd rather listen to somebody play with emotion than a soul-less "guitartron" like Vai or Satriani any day.

[QUOTE=Fatback]I'd rather listen to somebody play with emotion than a soul-less "guitartron" like Vai or Satriani any day.[/QUOTE]

Well, Vai is a very bad example if you're going to demonstrate abscence of soul. Watch a live video of For The Love Of God.

However, Vai and Page can't be compared, and Page got his own 'spark'.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]Yeah, maybe on this board. I see too many people going crazy here for Jimmy Page, but compared to Hendrix, he's mediocre. Hendrix, every aspect of his playing is so amazing... his rhythm and lead...[/QUOTE]
Technically, I think Page MAY have had the upper hand, but just the feeling and groove behind Hendrix makes him so much more likeable and well, cooler :cool:

EDIT: Woa. I didnt realise how big this thread was, I missed a goody.

[QUOTE=Fatback]Are you certain? It seems to me that Buddy might have appeared on First Rays of the New Rising Sun too. I know that Cox shared bass duties on it.
Ezy Rider seems to be stuck in my head as something that sounded like Miles, for instance.
Could be wrong. I was playing an awful lot of chromosome roulette in those days.[/QUOTE]

im positive its just mitch on first rays of the new rising sun. just saw the credits on the cd booklet. there are a couple of songs on the record that don't seem like mitch, but it generally feels like him.