what about bands like rhapsody and stratovarious where do they go?

and what about cacophony? or guns n roses where do they go , also there's classic heavy metal like ac/dc and sabbath maybe guns n roses fit in that, i dont know somebody should edit this thread and make it perfect

Rhapsody and Stratovarious are power metal.

EMOCORE METAL.............dont care wat u say it is out there and its alive

emo drop c riffs going into defining lyrics of despare love and hate


i live it, i play it

Dude, emo is not metal..Emo is for crybabies :)

the final word
 

If you want an accurate definite definition of metal by a group more informed than myself and certain anyone else on this forum visit the link I posted. anus.com is a very pertinent site to this "conversation" on metal and its sub-genres.

Someone mentioned that its "not important" to classify music.. this is garbage because if we can not classify something such as music we can not differentiate between what is good and bad (which is something everyone on this list does). In other words, if you think the music you are listening to is "good" then you have made a genre classification - and the name of this category just happens to be "good" (if you disagree with me on this issue your IQ must be scraping 80). Certainly it causes problems in terms of band-wagon bands (which is why I am very anti-melodic death metal) that pollutes a genre title with copy cat silliness and the record labels that sign and promote such horrible bands (Mortician, Six Feet Under and Nile off the top of my head...).

The original listing was for metal, and I realize that the fellow did not claim to be an expert or even feel to strongly about his post - this is fine. I am simply offering some very useful info - take it or leave it (and in ignorance many will leave it).

[url]http://www.anus.com/metal/about/genre.html[/url]

So you're saying you need to make genres of bands? Of what is good and bad? Fair enough, but everyone has an opinion, you're not the god of classification. Let people like what they like and think whatever genre it is themselves. That classification of "good" is what someone personally likes, not a style of music. Good is not a genre. Metal, punk, rock, hip hop, pop, indie etc; these are genres. Do you really think in record stores that they would have a section called 'Good, 'Shît' and 'Average'? Didn't think so.

By the way, not every band out there is original, no matter how original you think it is, odds are its done before. There are always loads of bands that sound similar, and thats fine, as long as they make music that I like to listen to.

^ /Agreed.


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industrial?

[QUOTE=Gernm18]what about bands like rhapsody and stratovarious where do they go?

and what about cacophony? or guns n roses where do they go , also there's classic heavy metal like ac/dc and sabbath maybe guns n roses fit in that, i dont know somebody should edit this thread and make it perfect[/QUOTE]

Guns N Roses, and AC/DC are not metal.

What are they then?

[QUOTE=2 gay 4 school]Nile[/QUOTE]

You idiot. Mortician and SFU suck, Nile owns you.

Tell me one other brutal death metal band with that egyptian sound. ONE other.

Fu.cking idiot. Anus.com lover.

[QUOTE=LordDargon]You idiot. Mortician and SFU suck, Nile owns you.

Tell me one other brutal death metal band with that egyptian sound. ONE other.

Fu.cking idiot. Anus.com lover.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Nile do suck.

^ Well, do you actually like any brutal DM?

All Shall Perish, and Suffocation own Nile IMO.

[QUOTE=rexxz]Guns N Roses, and AC/DC are not metal.[/QUOTE]
Both those bands are hard rock. AC/DC, like Zeppelin, were not hard enough to be metal, but paved the way for many metal bands, who took on their riff-based style. GNR can be arguably cock/hair metal, but they had a better songwriter, through Slash and Izzy, than most hair metal bands, and their earlier material wasn't as glossy, it was more bad arse.

[QUOTE=whallz]industrial?[/QUOTE]
I defined industrial earlier in the thread.

[QUOTE=LordDargon]^ Well, do you actually like any brutal DM?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but I'm picky.

[QUOTE=deftoned]So you're saying you need to make genres of bands? Of what is good and bad? Fair enough, but everyone has an opinion, you're not the god of classification. Let people like what they like and think whatever genre it is themselves. That classification of "good" is what someone personally likes, not a style of music. Good is not a genre. Metal, punk, rock, hip hop, pop, indie etc; these are genres. Do you really think in record stores that they would have a section called 'Good, 'Shît' and 'Average'? Didn't think so.

By the way, not every band out there is original, no matter how original you think it is, odds are its done before. There are always loads of bands that sound similar, and thats fine, as long as they make music that I like to listen to.[/QUOTE]

you make one remotely intelligent statement "Good is not a genre ... Metal, punk, rock, etc ... these are genres". Very good, they are "genres" - you must be a star in community college however you are missing my main argument.... When someone listens to music they place it within a category such as "good, bad, etc" which is an act of classifying something. The fact that one places music within a category leads us to the conclusion that music can be classified (therefor when someone says "d00d you can't classify music, don't be throwin' it in genre's maaaaaaaan" they are oblivious to how foolish this statement is. If anyone has a "favorite band" they have placed one band above others - this is an act of classification.

when you were mashing buttons in an attempt to make an argument you wrote "Do you really think in record stores that they would have a section called 'Good, 'Shît' and 'Average'? Didn't think so."

Its funny you should mention record stores. Who do you think profits off genres of music? I can hear uttering in broken English "d00d those mean men at the big music stores keep us cool people down by selling us pop and stuff".. The real winner in using genre's in music would be the no talent bands (re-hashed trash that goes by many names, Nile and Mortician to name two, but 90% of all musical groups fall under this category) which flood the market with their useless worship of greater bands who have actually contributed to Metal and music as a whole. You even wrote "By the way, not every band out there is original, no matter how original you think it is, odds are its done before" - amazing observation now stop supporting such garbage. Force new bands to push the envelope and actually give us something that does not insult our intelligence.

Yes big labels do get a large profit from idiot consumers such as you who do not have any concept in how they even determine one act from another. With many things in life if you can't think for yourself someone will gladly think for you.

I could go on and on about my views on Metal, but it appears I'm wasting my time conversing with Anthrax icon'ed fools who's limited intelligence is reserved for gay jokes and accusing others that they are "not metal" when they can not form a coherent statement to save their minimum wage earning corpse from extinction.

- In the future, don't waste my time and yours by replying to one of my posts - your limited cognitive abilities suit you (and many of your "friends" here) for 3rd shift at the local Deny's. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=Nicholas Sutton]Yeah System of a Down is nu metal no matter how hard you try to say otherwise.

Very good list man...verrry good list.[/QUOTE]


SOAD? NU-Metal? wth?

System of a Down (SOAD) or NOT new-metal. While I have nothing against most "nu-metal" bands, I have to defend system from being placed in this category. SOAD are an alternative-metal if anything, almost an amalgam of punk speed & attitude(political lyrics) with metal's Heavy and Brooding nature.

I don't know where to place them, but they are NOT nu-metal

[QUOTE=shrubby]SOAD? NU-Metal? wth?

System of a Down (SOAD) or NOT new-metal. While I have nothing against most "nu-metal" bands, I have to defend system from being placed in this category. SOAD are an alternative-metal if anything, almost an amalgam of punk speed & attitude(political lyrics) with metal's Heavy and Brooding nature.

I don't know where to place them, but they are NOT nu-metal[/QUOTE]

Yes, they are. They are very good, I am not dissing them, but they are nu-metal. Just call them hard rock if it gets your panties in a twist so badly.

[QUOTE=deftoned]So you're saying you need to make genres of bands? Of what is good and bad? Fair enough, but everyone has an opinion, you're not the god of classification. Let people like what they like and think whatever genre it is themselves. That classification of "good" is what someone personally likes, not a style of music. Good is not a genre. Metal, punk, rock, hip hop, pop, indie etc; these are genres. Do you really think in record stores that they would have a section called 'Good, 'Shît' and 'Average'? Didn't think so. [/QUOTE]
Of course, we can't [i]universally[/i] label bands as "good" or "bad". That's why we have genres. We must [i]individually[/i] decide whether a band is good or band, but genres are there to help us with the decision. For example, I automatically consider "textbook speed metal" to be a very good thing, and I know it's good without even listening to it, if someone I trust call it that. If something is "nu-metal" then I won't even bother, because there is no such thing as "good mallcore" in my personal opinion.

[QUOTE=Kaden]I defined industrial earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE]
sorry, i didn't read the whole thread. :thumb:

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]you make one remotely intelligent statement "Good is not a genre ... Metal, punk, rock, etc ... these are genres". Very good, they are "genres" - you must be a star in community college however you are missing my main argument.... When someone listens to music they place it within a category such as "good, bad, etc" which is an act of classifying something. The fact that one places music within a category leads us to the conclusion that music can be classified (therefor when someone says "d00d you can't classify music, don't be throwin' it in genre's maaaaaaaan" they are oblivious to how foolish this statement is. If anyone has a "favorite band" they have placed one band above others - this is an act of classification.

when you were mashing buttons in an attempt to make an argument you wrote "Do you really think in record stores that they would have a section called 'Good, 'Shît' and 'Average'? Didn't think so."

Its funny you should mention record stores. Who do you think profits off genres of music? I can hear uttering in broken English "d00d those mean men at the big music stores keep us cool people down by selling us pop and stuff".. The real winner in using genre's in music would be the no talent bands (re-hashed trash that goes by many names, Nile and Mortician to name two, but 90% of all musical groups fall under this category) which flood the market with their useless worship of greater bands who have actually contributed to Metal and music as a whole. You even wrote "By the way, not every band out there is original, no matter how original you think it is, odds are its done before" - amazing observation now stop supporting such garbage. Force new bands to push the envelope and actually give us something that does not insult our intelligence.

Yes big labels do get a large profit from idiot consumers such as you who do not have any concept in how they even determine one act from another. With many things in life if you can't think for yourself someone will gladly think for you.

I could go on and on about my views on Metal, but it appears I'm wasting my time conversing with Anthrax icon'ed fools who's limited intelligence is reserved for gay jokes and accusing others that they are "not metal" when they can not form a coherent statement to save their minimum wage earning corpse from extinction.

- In the future, don't waste my time and yours by replying to one of my posts - your limited cognitive abilities suit you (and many of your "friends" here) for 3rd shift at the local Deny's. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]

Oh almighty Internet god, I bow down, as obviously you are more right than anyone, and your opinion is law, and everyone else who likes different music than you must be a criminal. You may think certain bands are "trash", but that's just your opinion, I don't personally like Nile, but I can see why people do. Stop acting as if you're the law on this forum, people are allowed to have an opinion. Oh yeah, too bad I don't work, because I'm still at school, but I know they imported you for the local Hooters, they even gave you a sports bra, you fat piece of arse..

Yeah, I'm such an idiot consumer, I mean I don't limit myself to three different bands in the world, and worship them. Of course bands get better breaks than those before them or at the time that were doing a similar kind of thing(eg Metallica and Testament, Slayer and Sepultura etc). You can't control this, sorry, but I got onto many older bands through newer bands I bought (I got into Faith No More through RATM, Sonic Youth through Nirvana etc). Just get over yourself, you're not high and mighty and smarter than everyone else. I bet that you're a fat achne faced geek trying to start arguments on forums all over the internet about how UnTrOO NeCrO a certain band is. Get a life.

[QUOTE=speedhitler]Of course, we can't [i]universally[/i] label bands as "good" or "bad". That's why we have genres. We must [i]individually[/i] decide whether a band is good or band, but genres are there to help us with the decision. For example, I automatically consider "textbook speed metal" to be a very good thing, and I know it's good without even listening to it, if someone I trust call it that. If something is "nu-metal" then I won't even bother, because there is no such thing as "good mallcore" in my personal opinion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah obviously, I was stating THE OBVIOUS to the 2cool_4school loser, who thinks people classify music as good or bad, and I said 'good' and 'bad' aren't genres, just what people like.

Good and bad are what people like? Since when?

I would be really interested in the group's opinion on this band's genre.


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[QUOTE=kill-9]I would be really interested in the group's opinion on this band's genre.


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Metal, though it does border on being "nu" at times.

I find it funny that when someone (2cool_4school) makes an intelligent post, people whom he has offended (deftoned) try to defend themselves by making an obvious attempt to try to sound intelligent. These posts usually have some of the most indecipherable grammar and sentence structure I have ever read. Don't make idiotic attempts to defend your opinions when you can't match the other person's argument.

^ n00b.

:)

Lateralus would be right, IF 2cool_4school's grammer wasn't worse than Deftoned's, AND if he knew the difference between a genre and an opinion.

[QUOTE=h00t_h00t]Lateralus would be right, IF 2cool_4school's grammer wasn't worse than Deftoned's, AND if he knew the difference between a genre and an opinion.[/QUOTE]
My grammar is fine. I know the difference between the genre and an opinion, but 2cool_4school doesn't. He seems to think that putting bands in a genre makes them 'good' or 'bad' (eg 2cool_4school: "thats why I'm against melodic metal, it's all ****, therefore Nile shouldn't be classed as death" etc). Where did all these noobs enter the argument?

[QUOTE=Lateralus23462]I find it funny that when someone (2cool_4school) makes an intelligent post, people whom he has offended (deftoned) try to defend themselves by making an obvious attempt to try to sound intelligent. These posts usually have some of the most indecipherable grammar and sentence structure I have ever read. Don't make idiotic attempts to defend your opinions when you can't match the other person's argument.[/QUOTE]
Wow, way to suck a dîck, noob. The guy doesn't really make an intelligent point, he attacks other's opinions, and acts as though he is law, and thinks he can tell people what they "can't" listen to. You are obviously blind, read the whole thread, buddy. This guy acts as though he knows my whole taste, but he doesn't. He accuses me of being a "dOOd" and the like, and he knows nothing. He must be some kind of ultra_TrOO_MaRkEtInG_CoNsUmA, who tells people what music they should stop "supporting" because of what he says..

fact and opinion
 

[QUOTE=deftoned]Wow, way to suck a dîck, noob. The guy doesn't really make an intelligent point, he attacks other's opinions, and acts as though he is law, and thinks he can tell people what they "can't" listen to. You are obviously blind, read the whole thread, buddy. This guy acts as though he knows my whole taste, but he doesn't. He accuses me of being a "dOOd" and the like, and he knows nothing. He must be some kind of ultra_TrOO_MaRkEtInG_CoNsUmA, who tells people what music they should stop "supporting" because of what he says..[/QUOTE]

>yet another amazing post deftoned.

"He must be some kind of ultra_TrOO_MaRkEtInG_CoNsUmA, who tells people what music they should stop "supporting" because of what he says"

>Yes and no. It’s my opinion (were you taught the difference between fact and opinion in school?) that fans of metal are too generous with their support of very untalented bands. I sited a few bands I felt were prime examples of this (again, my opinion) because I think they add nothing to metal. If I wanted to hear music similar to Mortician or Nile (meh) I’d listen to a band that performs similar music, but better. Hopefully you are starting to catch on, otherwise you are a dumb *** (this too, is an opinion.. though it’s beginning to look factual).

fact and opinion
 

[QUOTE=deftoned]Wow, way to suck a dîck, noob. The guy doesn't really make an intelligent point, he attacks other's opinions, and acts as though he is law, and thinks he can tell people what they "can't" listen to. You are obviously blind, read the whole thread, buddy. This guy acts as though he knows my whole taste, but he doesn't. He accuses me of being a "dOOd" and the like, and he knows nothing. He must be some kind of ultra_TrOO_MaRkEtInG_CoNsUmA, who tells people what music they should stop "supporting" because of what he says..[/QUOTE]

>yet another amazing post deftoned.

"He must be some kind of ultra_TrOO_MaRkEtInG_CoNsUmA, who tells people what music they should stop "supporting" because of what he says"

>Yes and no. It’s my opinion (were you taught the difference between fact and opinion in school?) that fans of metal are too generous with their support of very untalented bands. I sited a few bands I felt were prime examples of this (again, my opinion) because I think they add nothing to metal. If I wanted to hear music similar to Mortician or Nile (meh) I’d listen to a band that performs similar music, but better. Hopefully you are starting to catch on, otherwise you are a dumb *** (this too, is an opinion.. though it’s beginning to look factual).

Anyone who can hack into what they're talking about, raise a hand.

2cool_4school: [URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=opinion]Click here to find out what you've been missing![/URL]

Final thing I'm gonna say to you: I can listen to what I want, and you can do the same. Stop trying to shove your opinions on everyone else.

[QUOTE=Kaden]2cool_4school: [URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=opinion]Click here to find out what you've been missing![/URL]

Final thing I'm gonna say to you: I can listen to what I want, and you can do the same. Stop trying to shove your opinions on everyone else.[/QUOTE]

>haha nice link and good luck with that (listening to what you want).

The definition to me of alternative metal is obviously that it doesn't fit into any certain metal genre. So firstly I think nu-metal is basicly bands with the heavier drop-tuned sound. Not too much more than maybe it is more commercially acceptable, because it doesn't scare the little kiddies too much. So I would put the old Deftones under alternative metal when they still kept with the normal e tuning. And yes... System of a Down and Mudvayne, nevermind how good they are, still fits the nu-metal genre. Although I also would've liked those two personal favourites to be more accepted, because many people just write them off because they are nu-metal.

Now I saw many people mentioning some metal genre's are hugely influenced by punk of the old days. Could someone please clear this for me, because I don't know why Metalcore bands make use of an influenced punk sound. I mean punk in the old days was repetitive guitaring with repetitive lyrics, but at the end of the day had a meaning behind it all. The songs made use of fast riffs which I don't seem to find with the Metalcore sound. So even if it would lead you to explain to me what punk is, please tell me where you find the relation between punk and metal.

Lastly I think Opeth is more melodic and where would you put bands like Deicide and Dimmu Borgir which I thought was black, but they don't seem to "build any atmosphere".

thx

[QUOTE=r00ster]
Now I saw many people mentioning some metal genre's are hugely influenced by punk of the old days. Could someone please clear this for me, because I don't know why Metalcore bands make use of an influenced punk sound. I mean punk in the old days was repetitive guitaring with repetitive lyrics, but at the end of the day had a meaning behind it all. The songs made use of fast riffs which I don't seem to find with the Metalcore sound. So even if it would lead you to explain to me what punk is, please tell me where you find the relation between punk and metal.
thx[/QUOTE]


Well, that's because a lot of music that gets labeled as metalcore is really just melodic death with breakdowns (a crucial element of [I]modern[/I] hardcore). But, the metalheads refuse to acknowledge it as metal, and the hardcore crowd refuses to pack it in with hardcore, so it just kinda gets slapped with the metalcore label, when it in fact has very little hardcore to it. Now, you take a band like Walls of Jericho, who could actually be considered metalcore, and you will see the elements of Black Flag in the music, as well as a Slayer influence.