ok ill try that thanks

**** noone has answerd me in like 2 weeks

[QUOTE=Dumpweedrock]**** noone has answerd me in like 2 weeks[/QUOTE]
Dude you know how many questions, verbatim, exactly like yours that myself, Rats, CDoasis and others have answered? What do you want to know?

If youre serious about singing do some research, read my voicehelp hotline, all of it, and practice your a[I]s[/I]s off, take some lessons to be sure youre using proper form, maybe then you can manipulate your voice box to be able to get close to what you want. YOu need an open relaxed throat, you need to know where your registers are and how to keep your cords together while singing them all. I have an isolation thread in my voicehelp hotline to give an idea on how to get in touch with that. You need to practice singing in order to learn how to project. Normal singing. If you cant project at normal youre not going to be able to project at twice or three times normal. It takes time and practice. There is no simple magic pill like purse your lips or practice AYs to help you sound like your favorite singer.

[QUOTE=firecrackercheese]When i sing normally, i sound ok.

But when i record my singing into my computer, i somehow sound really bad and off.
Is there anything i might be doing to get like this.
Is it the recording? Or just my crappy voice getting all pressurised?
Should i hold the mic differently, or use a stand?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]


Many people dont like their voice when they hear it played back for one or two reasons: 1. They've been hearing theyre own voice internally with their whole head and body affecting the vibrations and they are surprised at how different it sounds outside the realm of themselves ....and/or..2. Number 1. helps them realize they werent singing as good as they thought.

Are you using a computer mic or regular mic. Computer mics are shltty for one. Are you singing normally or trying to scream? You should be able to sustain basic singing at a decent quality regardless of the mic, but weak mics arent good for screaming. All in all though, if its not a computer mic it really shouldnt be anything to do with the mic or stand or how you hold anything. You know that already!

[QUOTE=The_Red_Death]I was wondering if there are any ways I can more volume from screaming. I can get a good sound out of it (similar to newer Underoath, I think), but that's at like, a whisper. When I try to go louder, I get no sound at all. I know this is a very crappy description, but any attempts at helping are appreciated.[/QUOTE]
You cant scream louder than you can sing. Use more of your cords like you were singing. If you cant sustain a note at said volume, how do you expect to scream at said volume? Volume comes with being able to hold the cords shape and thickness at increased push. Practice singing...which unfortunately many people dont want to do. THey want to go straight to running before walking and dont have the time or will to practice true voice singing. Instead they just blast their cords with air pressure and incorrect technique as they attempt to run on weak legs.

Hi! I've got a couple of questions which are most probably newbish, so apologies in advance if they're stupid.

Can females sing in falsetto? A female friend of mine goes on about how her falsetto is great, but isn't falsetto supposed to sound feminine-ish anyway?

Also, can someone point out correct microphone technique? My music teacher pointed it out to me in vocals the other day, but I couldn't quite see what I was doing wrong...

Thanks!

[QUOTE=LadyHaphazard]Hi! I've got a couple of questions which are most probably newbish, so apologies in advance if they're stupid.

Can females sing in falsetto? A female friend of mine goes on about how her falsetto is great, but isn't falsetto supposed to sound feminine-ish anyway?

Also, can someone point out correct microphone technique? My music teacher pointed it out to me in vocals the other day, but I couldn't quite see what I was doing wrong...

Thanks![/QUOTE]
Falsetto is just when you reach the point where youre pulling your cords tighter for higher notes but you lack the strength and/or mechanics to keep them closed so they vibrate in a wave....instead they open up and only the edges vibrate and kinda cut the air. Its not really supposed to sound feminine other than the fact of being high pitched. It just falls in that category because when a male reaches higher notes in the female range he's usually in falsetto.
Mic technique. To me its just about 8 to 12 inches away and to stay there..so you use vocal control to change volume and sound, in other words dont move around alot. Other than that I dont know what she's talking about! Best wishes.

If I sing will I get better? I don't mean practice but if I just sing along and sing songs will my voice get better automatically?

[QUOTE=Dead_Trench]If I sing will I get better? I don't mean practice but if I just sing along and sing songs will my voice get better automatically?[/QUOTE]

I cant tell the future!

I would say that the chances of you getting better to some extent are tremendous. Thats logical. I think with time and some practice you can see significant gains. I mean when I practice, 99 times out of a hundred that means I'm singing some song that I love that takes alot of push or technique or rasp or range, whatever,and trying to keep technique and control while doing it and reaching my limits if its a song that has parts out of my range or whatever..... And rewinding and rewinding and rewinding. But since I like the songs its just musical release and expression and fun...meanwhile I'm still practicing and working out.

I think you would get better, especially if you listen critically to yourself as you sing. You should be able to tell when you have made a mistake. If its hard for you to tell when you have done something wrong you should use a voice teacher or get a program like "singingcoach" that can monitor your pitch and rythm and tell you where you go astray.

can anyone help me with my post?? Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=AngusYoung413]can anyone help me with my post?? Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
For fear of repeating, for the 1 zillionth time that all rasp is the same regardless of who youre trying to copy or sound like and that you need to be able to sing first, then sing hard, then sing harder, all the while maintaining a relaxed throat and knowing where your vocal bridges are and how to access your head voice...OH well.....too late i just repeated myself.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

I learned how to sing with a raspy voice by imitating Gollum. It really works and I can sing a lot better now, because I can just scream if the song is to high:)

Sorry for the doublepost, but can anyone tell me what 'singing from the guts' exactly is?

From the gut. From the diaphragm. Its just a figure of speech to describe the feeling of breath support when you breathe properly and pressurize the air behind the cords with a slow contraction of the diaphragm to get the air out. Its really the only way to push the air out but if you tense up your throat the sound will be pinched off,strained, and throaty, thus not singing from the gut but from the throat. Check out my voicehelp hotline if you need more.

I've got another question. Why is it that I can't sing along with Green Day songs? Are they too high or too low or something? I've got no problem with Nirvana and Soundgarden etc.

It might be moving through alot of your bridge area where your head and chest voices seperate. If you can do Nirvana and Soundgarden then I just dont get it. Like I say....try to sing it in an opera voice to see where your weaknesses are.

Hey MErkaaba sorry about all the rasp questions. But I have another problem. I understand singing in key, pitch, singing from my diaphragm, and warming up and protecting your vocal cords. The thing that I dont understand is that I practice all the time and never notice any improvement. Its really that I just despise the sound of my voice while singing. I think it sounds awful, nasally, and just downright unpleasant. Any tips/comments?

Oh yeah and Im only 15 if that helps.

Well I'm 17, almost 18, in a band that plays alot of blues based rock (or classic rock if you wanna call it that.) I have a decent singing voice, but my range is... so thin. I can't sing for the band very well, and because we have gig after gig the guys don't have time to waste with helping me get better. Everyone else is too shy or something except the terrible sounding drummer, so he sings alot.

Messing with this keyboard here my comfortable range seems to be G to C, any higher and my voice starts to break up without sucking on a cough drop, any lower and it's hard to hear me over the music. Every song we play the vocals seem to be higher or lower, and I can't sing near the low range of that because it can't be heard over the music. I'm like... really small, and the other two who can sing (but have voices not really... fit for singing) project very well into the mic while I can't (diaphram size matter?). I think we need better PA equipment, but thats not going to happen soon enough.

So anyway, I've been practicing for a long time at improving my range and power, but not much luck... any suggestions? The transition to head voice is very bad too, and actually sounding good in falsetto is a phenomenon I can't understand. Any help is appreciated.

Just a question how can make my voice like James Hetfield, you know the raspy Kill E'm All,ride the lightning, Master of Puppets, well etc the list goes on all except everything past the black album

[QUOTE=Scribblef*ck]Just a question how can make my voice like James Hetfield, you know the raspy Kill E'm All,ride the lightning, Master of Puppets, well etc the list goes on all except everything past the black album[/QUOTE]
Go back in time and become James Hetfield. :rolleyes:
Really...what would you expect someone to say? He just uses a typical raspy voice, and seldom uses falsetto. Other than that, its just his makeup.

[QUOTE=ithilsul]Well I'm 17, almost 18, in a band that plays alot of blues based rock (or classic rock if you wanna call it that.) I have a decent singing voice, but my range is... so thin. I can't sing for the band very well, and because we have gig after gig the guys don't have time to waste with helping me get better. Everyone else is too shy or something except the terrible sounding drummer, so he sings alot.

Messing with this keyboard here my comfortable range seems to be G to C, any higher and my voice starts to break up without sucking on a cough drop, any lower and it's hard to hear me over the music. Every song we play the vocals seem to be higher or lower, and I can't sing near the low range of that because it can't be heard over the music. I'm like... really small, and the other two who can sing (but have voices not really... fit for singing) project very well into the mic while I can't (diaphram size matter?). I think we need better PA equipment, but thats not going to happen soon enough.

So anyway, I've been practicing for a long time at improving my range and power, but not much luck... any suggestions? The transition to head voice is very bad too, and actually sounding good in falsetto is a phenomenon I can't understand. Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]
If youre that bad why are you the singer for a band?
When you say range from G to C....what G to what C?
If your vocals are higher or lower than the music, then youre just off key which can come from being too tense and squeezing your throat up and down as you try to go up and down in pitch, which is a no-no. Many times smaller people have lighter and higher voices. So you should be sure that youre relaxing and using your own voice and not trying to sing like anyone else, at least until you know how to use your own voice. Not that you are....but that is a very common problem.
If you need to use a lozenge then youre singing incorrectly of course...and that lozenge is only a temporary fix. Be sure that youre not trying to sing too hard. And no diaphragm size doesnt matter at all.
Read my Voicehelp Hotline if you havent.

[QUOTE=AngusYoung413]Hey MErkaaba sorry about all the rasp questions. But I have another problem. I understand singing in key, pitch, singing from my diaphragm, and warming up and protecting your vocal cords. The thing that I dont understand is that I practice all the time and never notice any improvement. Its really that I just despise the sound of my voice while singing. I think it sounds awful, nasally, and just downright unpleasant. Any tips/comments?

Oh yeah and Im only 15 if that helps.[/QUOTE]
Nasally vocals can come from trying to stretch your chest voice into head as you tense up the throat and try to squeeze the note up, instead of relaxing and letting the cords release into a good head voice. THat and tensing up the throat baffles the airflow so it deflects up into the nasal cavities. relax.
As far as just sounding awful, and unpleasant or despising your own voice....thats not much information and is solely opinion. Relax and sing softer to practice problem areas.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]
If youre that bad why are you the singer for a band?
When you say range from G to C....what G to what C?
If your vocals are higher or lower than the music, then youre just off key which can come from being too tense and squeezing your throat up and down as you try to go up and down in pitch, which is a no-no. Many times smaller people have lighter and higher voices. So you should be sure that youre relaxing and using your own voice and not trying to sing like anyone else, at least until you know how to use your own voice. Not that you are....but that is a very common problem.
If you need to use a lozenge then youre singing incorrectly of course...and that lozenge is only a temporary fix. Be sure that youre not trying to sing too hard. And no diaphragm size doesnt matter at all.
Read my Voicehelp Hotline if you havent.[/QUOTE]

I sing because I have the best stage presence. I'm not "that bad", it's just that the other three have 3 years of singing experience under their belt. Before yesterdays show we finally did a vocal warmup with proper scales and stuff that helped and I sang just fine, except i couldn't be heard because our **** "manager" never equalizes the mics well enough... the drummer sticks out like a sore thumb. I sang the chorus for the Used "All That I Got" and hit the notes fine... but I could feel my voice straining. I can't seem to get relaxed because I wont be loud enough. Maybe if I got a better mic I wouldn't have to try and be loud and therefore could relax easier? And I guess if all the answers are in the voice help thing (which I assume they are, because everyone seems to directed there) theres really no use for this... heh. Well I guess it was "singing too hard" then. Thanks

Edit: After watching the video of our performance, alot of people said I should be the lead singer, just wish I could become as good as my brother... which leads me to this question, is there a way to learn "tenor falsetto"? (thats what the drummer called it, my brother sings really high without sounding retarded like I do in falsetto).

Well yes...warming up always helps and its good to practice for vocal safety. Singing is like jogging compared to talking's walking. Singing aggresively is like Sprinting. And while you can sprint without warming up...you will always be running a higher risk of pulling a muscle or doing damage.

You have an acoustic instrument. Not an electric. It needs to be amplified properly. If you were playing acoustic guitar you would have it plugged in and amped up to mix. Your mic probably isnt the problem, its more about the mix. You shouldnt have to strain just to be heard. You need to talk to whoever, the "manager", etc.

Well your brother might be a tenor. Tenor falsetto...well I've never heard of it put that way before. But I'm guessing it just means higher falsetto. There is no specific technique for singing as a tenor. Tenor makeup is something youre born with. Power falsetto and a good bridge in and out of your top head voice really helps alot though. Try to imagine singing both head and falsetto at the same time. Some people really cant grasp the feelings of higher head voice and you might be cutting yourself short there. Be sure to warm up. I suggest you spend about ten good minutes. Grab your guitar and start in speaking chest voice range. Singing lightly and do melodies up and down in chest. THen move to head and do the same mixing it with chest. Light singing, nothing forceful.

Be on the look out for a new "finding head voice" post I'm working on.

This may be a big waste of your time cuase I don't know any of the terminolgy, but I'll try anyway.

I'm a beginner singer, my band doesn't really have anyone who can sing so its pretty much up to me to get better at it. I have a range probably around that of the singer of Silverstein. The only thing that seems to be wrong is that when I sing I sound almost like theres a buildup of saliva in my throat. i can hit all the notes and whatnot, it just sounds really bad with that sorta clogged sound. I'm not sure if its the mucous that you're talking about or not so. Anyway, thanks in advance for your help.

Whats usually a waste of time is when someone says....I sing or sound like "X" from the "X" band, as I'm very picky and dont listen to alot of popular music. So I have no idea about who that is...

If youre doing alot of forceful screaming then be sure youre warming up. It doesnt seem like the "macho" thing to do but you should. Just like you were about to go sing in a choir, because thats what youre doing anyways. But you didnt give us enough information. Is it saliva in your mouth like youre about to eat something good, or is it thicker like youre catching a cold? How does your throat feel? If youre getting a mouth full of watery saliva then you need to work on that. Some people make alot when they do alot of vocalizing. I dont have much advice on that except to make sure youre cleared before singing, and avoid drinking or eating much before singing, especially anything besides water but water will sometimes increase this as well.

I would try and give you more than the singer I sound like, but I really have no clue what notation I'm at, sorry. The saliva is really thick, and its there all the time. I'm not screaming at all, and I don't really have any clue of warm up exercises (yeah, I know, thats sad.). I'm really just not sure what to do to clear my throat. Thanks for the help anyway though.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/vocalsandstuff[/url]

Those are my screams. I sing for a metal band. Merkaba or anyone else with experience on this I would like some tips on what I'm doing right/wrong. Also, I feel no pain in the throat while doing this, but I do have a hard time doing it consistently without running out of breath. Any good exercises?

I don't know wethere Merkaba has said anything about this but when you guys who are struggling are singing, make sure you take deep breaths to start off with so as to tense up your into stomach, diaphram area. When you sing a note you need to centre your support somewhere in your diaphram, the lower the note, the higher you centre yourself, and vice verse. So if your a tenor and singing above high G you will be thinking very low, down through your feet type thing. If you don't do this you will bottom out (sing flat) on the low notes and sing sharp on the higher notes. Also your projection will be better. Thats all I can be bothered with know, I got to go to work.

Howdy Jam Session

I rarely stray outside the guitar forum, so I'm not sure if I'm in the right place...

Anyway, my question is a pretty general one on singing. I want to learn to sing better, to have a nicer singing voice. I've not really done much serious singing before, except for mucking around at band practises, and a joke punk band at my school battle of the bands. My problems are as follows: sometimes i think my voice is too monotone, especially in my lower register, which is where I'm most comfortable. Particularly if I try to sing a guitar melody or something. Secondly, my vocal register is strange. When I sing along to stuff, I never seem to be able to sing it properly in any octave, like if it's too low it sounds like my talking voice too much, and if I sing it up where i think it's meant to be, my voice strains a lot, but listening to the person singing they don't seem to be singing high at all. It doesn't make sense to me. Last of all, is I can't seem to sing falsetto at all. Like not even when I'm talking. I can't even do like a WOOOOO kinda cheer type sound I have mates that seem to have similar vocal problems, but they can all do falsetto easily. I think I'd like to go get some vocal coaching, but I thought I'd ask some other singers first. I want to be able to do backings and harmonies in my band, and also just to be able to sing well. Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=Guitar Therapist]Howdy Jam Session

I rarely stray outside the guitar forum, so I'm not sure if I'm in the right place...

Anyway, my question is a pretty general one on singing. I want to learn to sing better, to have a nicer singing voice. I've not really done much serious singing before, except for mucking around at band practises, and a joke punk band at my school battle of the bands. My problems are as follows: sometimes i think my voice is too monotone, especially in my lower register, which is where I'm most comfortable. Particularly if I try to sing a guitar melody or something. Secondly, my vocal register is strange. When I sing along to stuff, I never seem to be able to sing it properly in any octave, like if it's too low it sounds like my talking voice too much, and if I sing it up where i think it's meant to be, my voice strains a lot, but listening to the person singing they don't seem to be singing high at all. It doesn't make sense to me. Last of all, is I can't seem to sing falsetto at all. Like not even when I'm talking. I can't even do like a WOOOOO kinda cheer type sound I have mates that seem to have similar vocal problems, but they can all do falsetto easily. I think I'd like to go get some vocal coaching, but I thought I'd ask some other singers first. I want to be able to do backings and harmonies in my band, and also just to be able to sing well. Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]
I would say youre probably tensing and squeezing the throat in there somewhere, among other things. Who knows. If you havent read my thread on isolation here: [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url] ....I would say try it, and I'm working on another one for head voice. I've already done it just havent had much time to edit it. I think once you learn how to get into head voice smoothly it can really lessen tension in lower registers because many people just cant let go of chest voice well and they squeeze it and try to hold on to it and spread it up until you cant anymore then they break into falsetto from there and bypass alot of head register which takes a certain degree of release and relaxation in order to allow the larynx to hold steady.

[QUOTE=BetweenTheEchoes][url]http://www.soundclick.com/vocalsandstuff[/url]

Those are my screams. I sing for a metal band. Merkaba or anyone else with experience on this I would like some tips on what I'm doing right/wrong. Also, I feel no pain in the throat while doing this, but I do have a hard time doing it consistently without running out of breath. Any good exercises?[/QUOTE]
Sounds pretty good. I would say keep practicing if there's no irritation and everything is comfortable. And if youre running out of air make sure youre not overpushing, and try to be sure you "sing the scream". So go about making the sounds as if you were going to sing them normally. Concentrate on this instead of the rasp. Or just practice singing the passage without rasp. Keeping a singing position and feel keeps the cords closed and keeps you from overpushing which just vents the air instead of vibrating the cords.