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Its all gravys 11-29-2005 04:31 AM

whoever wrote that is an idiot.

iluvkirkhammett 11-29-2005 05:59 AM

I don't mind the doors but I feel they are a little overrated. Ever since the movie came out all the little hardcore kids in my area have been in love with them, and they don't even really appreciate their music, just their image.

magicbus 11-29-2005 09:02 AM

The Doors continue to be fantastic. I just watched the movie again last night.

The Crystal Ship is a great song.

potocheese 11-29-2005 10:48 AM

the doors is the bestest band of all.. i was a fan of the doors when i was in high school.. i love all their music.. thats why i love writing poems... jim morrison is a good writer.. nonesensical poems, thats his nature...

Ephemeral 11-29-2005 10:59 AM

Robby played classical and flaminco guitar for years before, but when he started playing with the Doors, he had only picked up an electric guitar for his first time a few moths before.

Masterofpuppetz89 11-29-2005 11:39 AM

Some of the doors stuff like spanish caravan, five to one, and crystal ship is really good. Then they have some really corny stuff

zack 11-29-2005 11:49 AM

I read a guitar magazine about 6 or 7 years ago that everyone in the band was a drug dealer at one point in time. Jim and one of the others were going to college together. Can anyone elaborate on that?

Ephemeral 11-29-2005 11:58 AM

[QUOTE=zack]I read a guitar magazine about 6 or 7 years ago that everyone in the band was a drug dealer at one point in time. Jim and one of the others were going to college together. Can anyone elaborate on that?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Jim and Ray went to film college together. That's how they knew eachother.

Jim then went away to new york. Ray thought he would never see his again, but then one day, when Ray was just sitting on the beach, Jim just comes walking up to him and asks him what he had been doing.

They started a band with Ray's brother, but it was more like a surf band, and they didn't want that. Then they brought in Robby. And yeah.

zack 11-29-2005 12:02 PM

That's cool. Know anything about the drug dealing? I remember reading stuff about deals going real bad.

NikP 12-24-2005 08:09 AM

What?
 
Not all of there songs are nonsense, The End of all songs is not, it relates to that Ancient Greek storey of the boy who killed his father, brother & sister and then married his mother.

Many Doors songs have a deeper meaning than they seem to on the outside.

magicbus 12-24-2005 08:24 AM

[QUOTE=NikP]Not all of there songs are nonsense, The End of all songs is not, it relates to that Ancient Greek storey of the boy who killed his father, brother & sister and then married his mother.

Many Doors songs have a deeper meaning than they seem to on the outside.[/QUOTE]

Oedipus Rex.

/nothing else

NikP 12-24-2005 08:26 AM

[QUOTE]
Oedipus Rex.

/nothing else
[/Quote]

thats the one :)

6stringed 01-02-2006 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=fwqhgads]Yeah, Jim and Ray went to film college together. That's how they knew eachother.

Jim then went away to new york. Ray thought he would never see his again, but then one day, when Ray was just sitting on the beach, Jim just comes walking up to him and asks him what he had been doing.

They started a band with Ray's brother, but it was more like a surf band, and they didn't want that. Then they brought in Robby. And yeah.[/QUOTE]

Did you get this from the movie or did u actually know before.

Anyways.....The new "doors" band, which includes Robby Krieger and Ray Manzarek got tooken to U.S. courts because of John Densmore so they weren't aloud to use the word "doors" in the band name. They are called the "Riders of the Storm"

DeusExMachina 01-02-2006 01:53 PM

In relation to this whole "nonsense lyrics" thing. Jim Morrison was a huge Dionysian, big into the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, which had a pretty heavy influence on his writing. I'm pretty sure Nietzsche was the one who developed the theories of Dionysian personalities vs. some other greek god's personalities. I'm a little vague on it all, but I may remember later.

Anywho, I like the Doors. Good music.

savagebassist 01-02-2006 02:49 PM

I Think that the doors are definatly one of the number one bands from the 60s to 70s...though I only have the greatest hits CD and a Live CD...i still think that songs like "LA woman" and "The End" have a certain creative edge that you just don't see in most rock/any band nowadays...I always listen to them and the grooves in the tunes are just really catchy. I strive to learn all the best songs on bass, and I wish that i lived in a more guitar oriented/larger area where i could possibly get a tribute band going :chug: :)

the only negative comments towards the doors that i've heard from **** head posers is that the keyboarding gets really annoying and ruins the music...ask me what it is when someone doesn't know what they're talking about and i'll show you this comment:angry:

omgwtfboogie 01-02-2006 02:57 PM

I will always respect Jim Morrison as a lyricist, frontman, and vocalist regardless of anything. His lyrics are often ingenius and pull on references to mythology and forms of spirituality. As a frontman he had charisma, he was very intelligent both in his music and outside of it (even while high), and really just did his own thing. I respect him as a vocalist because of how he stepped into his role as vocalist without prior experience. And damn he did a good job.

The Doors for me are Jim and Ray, and I think that's mostly because they could hold their own without the other guys. They always claimed they relied on each other, but really the songs were carried by Jim and Ray.

Awesome band. I highly respect Ray as well..

Cal_on_drums 01-02-2006 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=ozzyhead541]Jim was as Drunkin Poet there you go...[/QUOTE]


:rolleyes:

n00bguitarist 01-02-2006 04:01 PM

The Doors are great. Favorite song is either Peace Frog or The End.

temporary 01-02-2006 04:34 PM

[quote] The Doors for me are Jim and Ray, and I think that's mostly because they could hold their own without the other guys. They always claimed they relied on each other, but really the songs were carried by Jim and Ray.[/quote]

People never give Robbie enough credit. He's a fantastic guitar player and he wrote just as much of the music as the others.

[quote] Not all of there songs are nonsense, The End of all songs is not, it relates to that Ancient Greek storey of the boy who killed his father, brother & sister and then married his mother.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the only the "Killer awoke at dawn..." part refers to that, not the rest. The End is such a perfect song...

omgwtfboogie 01-02-2006 04:44 PM

[QUOTE=Obi One Kenodi]People never give Robbie enough credit. He's a fantastic guitar player and he wrote just as much of the music as the others.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he certainly has songwriting abilities, and he is a knowledgeable guitarists, but.. I just don't see him as being as much of a focal point as the other two. Without Robby, I would still listen to the song. Without Ray I wouldn't. Without Jim, I certainly wouldn't.

temporary 01-02-2006 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=omgwtfboogie]Yeah, he certainly has songwriting abilities, and he is a knowledgeable guitarists, but.. I just don't see him as being as much of a focal point as the other two. Without Robby, I would still listen to the song. Without Ray I wouldn't. Without Jim, I certainly wouldn't.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying, and I'd probably agree with you that Ray and Jim are what really make the band, but Robby is painfulling underrated.

robo2448 01-02-2006 04:52 PM

All the Doors are very underrated except Morrison. I love Jim, and I really like his singing style, but I think most people fans would admit he's kind of overrated. He was a great singer/frontman but overshadowed the instrumental talents of the rest of the band. Ray was an amazing keyboardist, and musically, he was the most important and added the most to the Doors IMO. Robbie is very underrated as a guitarist; he didn't show off, but was very skilled and managed to contribute a lot to the Doors sound without showing off. And then there's John Densmore who is criminally overlooked as a drummer, very talented and gave the Doors a nice backbone.

omgwtfboogie 01-02-2006 04:53 PM

[QUOTE=Obi One Kenodi]I understand what you're saying, and I'd probably agree with you that Ray and Jim are what really make the band, but Robby is painfulling underrated.[/QUOTE]
I'll agree with that for sure. He didn't necessarily shine in the actual songs themselves, but I know he's quite the guitarist. People underrate him just because he's more of a texture applier for the Door's music, if that makes sense. As in he's not in the front of everything like most guitarists.

omgwtfboogie 01-02-2006 04:55 PM

[QUOTE=robo2448]All the Doors are very underrated except Morrison. I love Jim, and I really like his singing style, but I think most people fans would admit he's kind of overrated. He was a great singer/frontman but overshadowed the instrumental talents of the rest of the band. Ray was an amazing keyboardist, and musically, he was the most important and added the most to the Doors IMO. Robbie is very underrated as a guitarist; he didn't show off, but was very skilled and managed to contribute a lot to the Doors sound without showing off. And then there's John Densmore who is criminally overlooked as a drummer, very talented and gave the Doors a nice backbone.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, John is a damn solid drummer. I like the minimalist attitude of the sixties and seventies. He didn't use a huge kit with two bass drums, an array of rack toms, etc., but he was still solid and creative enough to get by.

Jim can be overrated by some people, but I personally like him the best just judging from what he brought to their collective table. That man could write some intricate, involving poetry, something that no one was doing and rarely does today.


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