[QUOTE]That would be amazing. I'm pissed that I missed the NIN/APC tour a few years back, but Tool/NIN would be ten times better than that. Still, I don't know if I see that happening.[/QUOTE]

Why not?

I can see it happening, since both bands are releasing a new CD.

Maybe because they're both such big bands; a clash of egos, on some level, would be almost certain. Also, I think there have been vague rumours of a Tool/Opeth tour this year.

[QUOTE=Bartender]Maybe because they're both such big bands; a clash of egos, on some level, would be almost certain. Also, I think there have been vague rumours of a Tool/Opeth tour this year.[/QUOTE]

That would be cool as well, and I almost see that happening more, mainly because Opeth has always said that'd be something they really would want to do.

[QUOTE=Kage]I didn't realize they had announced a full blown European tour yet.

What a load of shi[COLOR=White]t[/COLOR], they're going to be in Europe until July?? I was hoping I'd see them sooner than that.[/QUOTE]
Theyre coming to Reno, but i cant go... i dont have anyone that wil take me and tickets sold out in like a day again. So i have to wait till next time :/

[QUOTE=Kage]That would be cool as well, and I almost see that happening more, mainly because Opeth has always said that'd be something they really would want to do.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure which i would like to see more... Tool/NIN or Opeth/NIN, I think i would rather see Tool, because I've heard they put on the greatest show :thumb:

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Theyre coming to Reno, but i cant go... i dont have anyone that wil take me and tickets sold out in like a day again. So i have to wait till next time :/[/QUOTE]

That sucks, but I'm going to see them March 30 for the With Teeth release party! I can't believe it's actually here in Houston. I'll be among the first to hear the new album. :thumb:

I hate you... haha just kidding...
but yeah, i jsut saw on the taborama forum (i go there for news alot) and it says theyre coming at the end of march to vegas, so im gonna have to start sucking up to my mom, because i dont have a job or any money...
It would be so awesome to see them live though :thumb:
has anyone in here seen them live before? i have the dvd all that could of been, and it is just amazing!

[QUOTE=madeyadams]Maybe I'll see you there. I'm doing everything I can to try and go.. even though I live in Seattle. Haha.[/QUOTE]

That's quite a drive. The farthest I've ever gone for a concert was from Houston to Austin, for obvious reasons.

I'm gonna try to make that Houston release party as well....but more good news came in today...They're gonna be in Houston on May 24 and in Austin on May 25. They're gonna be playing a few "exclusive" shows in small venues before heading back to Europe for June/July...I'm definitely gonna try to make it to both shows...

NIN...had better come to Jersey. That is all I have to say.

Anyone a fan of the Dresden dolls? They're going to be touring with NIN starting in April with their US tour. I'll be seeing them in Houston on May 24th. I've never heard the Dresden Dolls, but they seem interesting based on what I've read and their website.

If you haven't already, head to nin.com, there's an updated access section where Trent tackles such questions as his feelings on the leaks as well as some questions about the With Teeth...he even mentions an album after With Teeth, which is exciting, becuase it may be within close proximity of it (think Radiohead). All I know is that I'm glad he isn't thinking of dropping NIN like he once was.

Not to change the subject from the touring back to song interpretations, but I heard from some places that Hurt was an anti drug song.

[QUOTE=Throw.This.Away]Not to change the subject from the touring back to song interpretations, but I heard from some places that Hurt was an anti drug song.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm... do you see it that way? or are you just going off other peoples interpretations? because if thats your view, please explain yourself :)

but thats a pretty interesting view on that song.

And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me.

Just thought id say that to get this thing going a bit more :thumb:

EDIT- and i have downloaded a song from dresden dolls, and its not that great, but then again it might just be a bad song...

Well, I believe it could have been about that.

When Trent says:

I hurt myself today
to see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the needle tears a hole
the old familiar sting

It could be about heroin and that old familiar sting is that he has been there before.

But thats all that I guess really goes along with it.

I just heard that Johnny Cash was quoted "This is the best anti-drug song ever" or something along those lines, but I could be wrong.

I hope so badly they come to Australia. :(

On Monday tickets will be on sale for the NIN concert in Vienna!! i hope i will get one and they won't be sold out in 14 minutes.... the great thing is, that he is playing open air and that only 5000 tickets will be sold! that means that i will be able to get really close to the stage :D

They're actually playing near where I live-At the Coachella Fest this April. Should be good.

[QUOTE=Kage]I think I over-listened to the Left side at some point, so now i listen to Right more, even though I think Left is superior in terms of conceptual flow, lyrics, and songs in general.

And anyone who only knows/has listened to only NIN's three (four if you count the EP Broken) main albums is missing out on some good stuff. He has some B-Sides and remixes that are pretty good, most of which can be downloaded via P2P programs if you don't want to buy all the Halos.

Recommended songs are "Adrift and At Peace" and "And All That Could Have Been" from the limited edition Still cd.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, I freaking have Still and it's awesome. I especially like the "unplugged" version of The Becoming, which is probably my favorite NIN song.

I hope you don't mind, but I'm stealing your user title.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me[/QUOTE]
I think those songs are about him rejecting various forms of authority on his downward spiral.

For anyone who doesn't know, The Downward Spiral was recorded at 10050 Cielo Drive, the site where Charles Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate. That's the reason for all the "pig" references in the album.

[QUOTE=Kaden]For anyone who doesn't know, The Downward Spiral was recorded at 10050 Cielo Drive, the site where Charles Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate. That's the reason for all the "pig" references in the album.[/QUOTE]

No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
“ I had the song ‘Piggy’ written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).’March of the Pigs’ has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I’m not going to say what it is about, but it’s not about that.”

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]
And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me.[/QUOTE]

Well, to me, it seems like the song is obviously about the government, especially as a single song. But like Kaden said, it may not be a directly "political song" as we see it, but basically rejecting authority, especially a government that he maybe doesn't agree with or possibly had something to do with his situation. The first few songs are all about him stripping down things in his life, leaving him with nothing basically.


Kaden: Have you seen the studio performance of The Becoming at nin.com? That's such an awesome performance of it, IMO. It's a really stripped down version of the song, which made me appreciate the real thing even more.

[QUOTE=repcak]No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
“ I had the song ‘Piggy’ written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).’March of the Pigs’ has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I’m not going to say what it is about, but it’s not about that.”[/QUOTE]

I think Trent gets annoyed with all the references to the Le'Pig house, because he says it has nothing to do with the feel of the album or any of the songs' content. He said he didn't even know about it until a good ways into the making of the album, yet people seem to think it was the reason he was there or an inspiration, when in truth it wasn't.

Still, he said there were some creepy occurences there, so who knows what kind of subliminal affects it had on it.

For the sake of debate, I've gotta say i think Hurt is the suicide, and The Downward spiral is the planning/thinking about it.

In TDS he says "bam, so much blood for such a tiny hole" (or something to that effect). But there's no "bang" kind of musical moment. In Hurt however, there are those three really ugly chord hits right at the end of the song, when the character stops talking. Then there's the drawn out bit as static and white noise gets taken away, kind of like a dying process.

Also, TDS is in 3rd person "he couldn't believe how easy it was" etc etc. So it's like the character's imagining it.

[QUOTE=MxShredder]For the sake of debate, I've gotta say i think Hurt is the suicide, and The Downward spiral is the planning/thinking about it.

In TDS he says "bam, so much blood for such a tiny hole" (or something to that effect). But there's no "bang" kind of musical moment. In Hurt however, there are those three really ugly chord hits right at the end of the song, when the character stops talking. Then there's the drawn out bit as static and white noise gets taken away, kind of like a dying process.

Also, TDS is in 3rd person "he couldn't believe how easy it was" etc etc. So it's like the character's imagining it.[/QUOTE]

That is a common viewpoint, which I think is an interesting take. Either way works, but to me it seems more logical that the album would have a period of resolution after the climactic point (though some might argue that the true climax is the dissonant chords at the end of Hurt). I think that TDS is more of a narrative, describing what happened, and then Hurt is the suicide note.

[QUOTE=Kage]That is a common viewpoint, which I think is an interesting take. Either way works, but to me it seems more logical that the album would have a period of resolution after the climactic point (though some might argue that the true climax is the dissonant chords at the end of Hurt). I think that TDS is more of a narrative, describing what happened, and then Hurt is the suicide note.[/QUOTE]

Still, i think there would be some kind of musical moment that would signify the suicide. TDS is mellow(ish) the whole way through, so if that was the suicide moment it would be more of a less violent death. But the lyrics talk about shooting a gun.

Not trying to be an *** BTW :), just looking for a debate on it.

No, it's cool. That's what's great about it, everyone can have his own interpretation.

But perhaps TDS isn't very "violent" because he is content in his death. But another thing is that that song is actually pretty terrifying, with the screaming and guitar riff. That song is very important as well, with the shared motif between Closer and it.

has anyone tried to ask trent anything about hurt being a suicide note or anything thats been talked about on here? he probably wont answer, because he'll want to talk about the new album but it would be cool if he did

I think the shared motif is to show the degradation of the character. At the end of Closer the melody still sounds alittle lively, though gloomy. In TDS though, it sounds completely wretched. He's just sitting there (possibly in his lier's chair ;)) reflecting over everything (the melody could be to show reflection, looking back on the story). Then the new riff comes in, it sounds pretty pondering and forward moving, like the character is thinking about what to do. Then the idea comes (the part where people start screaming and there's singing). He knows what he's going to do and he's psyching himself up to do it. Then he starts writing a suicide note, or thinking or whatever, and those thoughts are Hurt. Then it's all over and he says "if I could start again, I would find away" then he pulls the trigger (the big bang chords).

There's not really any moment in TDS where there's a transition from alive to dead. The only one that could really be interpreted like that is when the screaming starts, but it's so hazy it's sounds like it's meant to be a dream or a thought.

[QUOTE=keeponslipping]has anyone tried to ask trent anything about hurt being a suicide note or anything thats been talked about on here? he probably wont answer, because he'll want to talk about the new album but it would be cool if he did[/QUOTE]

are you talking about the access page? i really doubt he would, I don't think there's many artists out there that would say "this is exactly what it's supposed to mean and all the other interpretations are wrong".

That said, im still right :) (joke)

[QUOTE=MxShredder]are you talking about the access page? i really doubt he would, I don't think there's many artists out there that would say "this is exactly what it's supposed to mean and all the other interpretations are wrong".

That said, im still right :) (joke)[/QUOTE]

yeah oops i meant to say that about the access section, and i didnt mean it like that, sometimes he'll just give a short answer so if someone asked if it was about it suicide note he could just say "something like that" or whatever