What would you consider Strike Anywhere and such bands?

I don't hear any hardcore in Underoath's music. The thing that sets apart emo from hardcore is the introspective guitar breaks and sense of emotion. And the thing that sets screamo apart from "grindcore (The Locust, etc)" is the introspective guitar breaks and creation of a sense of emotion. See what I'm saying. Emo is an emotional form of hardcore and many people call screamo an emotional form of "grindcore."

[QUOTE=Ska_Pirate]What would you consider Strike Anywhere and such bands?[/QUOTE]
Punk or Hardcore (take your pick) band that just doesn't follow a specific sound.

[QUOTE=frmautumTOashes]I think bands like Pg. 99 and CTTS, lean more towards hardcore and grindcore, than emo. If screamo is supposed to be all screaming, what sets it apart from hardcore. Now people are saying Saetia is screamo. I always considered them emo. All these bands that overlap in genres are starting to confuse me.

And about DFelon saying Underoath is popcore, there's no such thing. I think a better term would be melodic hardcore. The reason so many people say Underoath is screamo is because they went from being a metalcore band to a melodic hardcore band on their newer albums.[/QUOTE]

Nah, listen to Napalm Death. Pg. 99 and CTTS definitely don't lean towards grindcore, but I will give you metal. Pg. 99 I would only even consider screamo on Document 8 and on a few other releases. Like Document 5 for example, to me, can't even be labeled. It doesn't have that emo/screamo sound, but it's not quite hardcore, and it's not quite metal. Same goes with the Majority Rule split, I don't know how to even start describing that one.

About the popcore thing, that's a term DFelon invented to refer to this wave of pseudo-screamo bands, so it's a term you'll hear around here frequently, but nowhere else.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]Oh yeah, i also met Jamie on ebay.[/QUOTE]

Oh wow. I'm startstruck.

the only thing i see in common between grind and screamo are the blast beats, and bands like hot cross don't even use blast beats if memory serves correct? someone please educate me... and also, the locust, grindcore? they don't sound anything close to napalm death or carcass to me?

That's why I used grindcore in quotes. We have yet to come up with a name for bands like The Locust, Holy Molar, Daughters and TTDTDE who obviously have that insane chaotic sound, but are not really true grind. I think I'm going to start calling them spazz bands.

They're a legendary band called Spazz.

i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Screamo isn't defined as emo with screaming. It's emotional hardcore that does in fact lean towards chaos, or grind as you've labelled it. So ya, it is right to call them screamo.

Me saying popcore is correct. Popcore means bands that are pop punk but interject or even superimpose elements of hardcore (screaming, breakdowns) into their music. For example, Underoath scream and sometimes have breakdowns but are very much making pop punk music. Melodic hardcore more defines bands like Rise Against, or Thrice, or Strike Anywhere. They are hardcore bands that insert melodic stuff into their music. Get it?[/QUOTE]

felon, in classifying bands, especially like underoath, you also have to look at the background of the band and how the "came to be". underoath used to be more of a death metal band, then hardcore, then they finally got into the popish stuff they do now largely due to their new singer. i suppose you could describe them as popcore, but if you have met the people, you would know that they are a lot more hardcore than rise against, thrice, or strike anywhere. im just saying that bands cannot be put into categories merely based on their music, but also on their performances and lifestyle.

[QUOTE=thisisromance]i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.[/QUOTE]
Your wrong.

first off, i want to start by saying that it is rediculous to be arguing over what genre a band falls into, and yes i do realize the irony of me saying this seeing as how i am arguing over what genre a band falls into. i don't know how you mean to use the word quantifiable... but it doesn't make sense to me, perhaps you could explain (please do not take that as an insult, i assure you it is not intended to be one). finally, i want to make a point by asking you where you are from, like... what area or metroplex do you live in? i live in the DFW area as i clearly stated earlier. around my area most people (that i know at least) agree with my outlook on "screamo" and refer to "hardcore" as a pretty broad genre. think of it like this, in texas if you are at baseball game and someone is selling dr peppers, you will yell to them, "get me a coke over here." ... coke is a very general term in texas, it refers to practically all soft drinks. the word "hardcore" is the same way. it can refer to almost anything besides straight out pop, such as new found glory, etc. hardcore is also used to describe people... just as emo is used to describe "emo kids", hardcore is used to describe "hardcore kids." i dont know if you see what i am getting at, but i'm really not trying to be an *** and insult you or anything, im just trying to explain my perspective. that's what makes america (assuming you are from the united states) great after all right? the ability to express your opinion.

and i do think your "made up" genre "popcore" would describe underoath. but who says it has to be "made up", i mean i suppose all genres were called "made up" at one time. and i suppose all genres should still be called "made up" because they are really just ideas. but w/e. (God i hope that didn't just start another argument)

thank you for understanding what i was trying to say.

[QUOTE=thisisromance]i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.[/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, that was funny. Dude, screamo is not pop punk with screaming. You should check the *Must Read* thread, and also check out [URL=http://www.fourfa.com ]Fourfa[/URL]

i once had a kid tell me yellowcard was screamo becuase they screamed in one song.

this is a similliar experience.

The Blood Brothers are considered screamo, right?
I've considered them too be after reading a bunch of posts.
Anyways, they're a great band.

i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?

[QUOTE=thisisromance] but if you have met the people, you would know that they are a lot more hardcore than rise against, thrice, or strike [/QUOTE]

hahahahahaha, you're an idiot.

Being 'hardcore' people =/= being a hardcore band.

[QUOTE=PlasticGangster]i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?[/QUOTE]


A Day In Black And White, Bright Calm Blue, Circle Takes The Square, Frail, Hot Cross, Indian Summer, Joshua Fit For Battle, Julia, Love Like... Electrocution, Lost Lost But Not Forgotten, The Khayembii Communique.


:thumb:

heard all but Julia and Frail. Thanks.
anymore suggestions?

City Of Caterpillar
Pg. 99
Orchid
Neil Perry

Kaospilot, The Kodan Armada

[QUOTE=PlasticGangster]i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?[/QUOTE]

Anomie! I love them.

If you like Anomie, check out Peu-etre, Alcatraz, Ivich, Jasemine, Fingerprint, Undone. All French bands.

Reversal of Man -> Jeromes Dream, Orchid, Combatwoundedveteran, any spazzy 'screamo' band.

Heroin -> Antioch Arrow, Frail, Honeywell, Guyver-one, Constatine Sankathi, bla bla bla.

It's Peu-etre.

Peut-etre means maybe.

Dfelon and your stupid French. You got all on that Saetia track's a[B][I][/I][/B]ss because it wasn't proper French.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Dfelon are your stupid French. You got all on that Saetia track's a[B][I][/I][/B]ss because it wasn't proper French.[/QUOTE]

hahaha.

isn't Billy Werner from France?

back to screamo....

My 2 cents:
Fear Before the March of Flames & Textbook Traitors are the best screamo bands ever.

some girls totally owns them

I like some girls but they're so overrated.