Here's all three songs from our new 'Shadowed Force' EP.

[URL=http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=014]Partaker of Evil[/URL]

[URL=http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=015]Burden of the Pacifist[/URL]

[URL=http://www.31.betrayer.ca/cgi-bin/dl.cgi?id=016]Shadowed Force[/URL]

For anyone interested in purchasing this CD please visit our online store [url=http://www.31.betrayer.ca/shop.shtml]here[/url] thanks!

[URL=http://www31.betrayer.ca]www.betrayer.ca[/URL]

Good stuff:thumb:. Now why can't my band find a decent singer:(

BTW, what setup does your bassist use? I'm digging his tone.

Thanks timbuktoo kangaroo! We had a tough time finding a singer too. We managed to find some people to try out but it never worked out. I originally wanted to just be a guitarist but out of desperation with not being able to find the right singer I decided to give it a try. What instrument do you play in your band? Have you ever thought of singing?

I'm actually not too sure what was done in the studio to get that bass tone lol. But I'm pretty sure we went direct without an amp. What our producer ran it through and did to the signal after that I have no clue. You can check out the studio we recorded at here [url]www.spectresound.ca[/url]

Dude ur new EP kicks *** man! I wrote some reviews under ALLIDoIsHammerStuff on your forum.

Really good stuff. I like the vocals, they remind me of Dave Mustaine \m/

I'm loving the stuff i've heard so far, and as for all those people asking to tab ur stuff... don't be a wuss, figure the songs out for yourselves... thats what i've been doing

Wonderful wonderful classic influenced metal. The musicianship of everyone involved in this band sounds quite high. Enjoyable listen. It's easy to hear the inspiration (Maiden especially). Hats off to Betrayer.

I just listened to the new stuff, its awesome.

I was just wondering when you make your solos how to you do it?

Do you stick to any particular scales or simply improvise until something sounds right?

Thanks for the replies!

"I was just wondering when you make your solos how to you do it?

Do you stick to any particular scales or simply improvise until something sounds right?"

I approach certain solo sections in different ways. When writing a solo I sometimes can think of a melody in my head and then apply it to guitar. Usually that works best when there's a slower more melodic type lead section. Sometimes I just jam over the rhythm part improvising with familiar scales/patterns to write a lead. But generally I'll have everything for a lead worked out note for note before entering the studio.

On the new EP we have a second guitarist sharing lead duties and he shares some of the same methods for writing his leads but probably some differences. He had everything worked out note for note aswell.

[QUOTE=JeffofBetrayer]Thanks for the replies!

"I was just wondering when you make your solos how to you do it?

Do you stick to any particular scales or simply improvise until something sounds right?"

I approach certain solo sections in different ways. When writing a solo I sometimes can think of a melody in my head and then apply it to guitar. Usually that works best when there's a slower more melodic type lead section. Sometimes I just jam over the rhythm part improvising with familiar scales/patterns to write a lead. But generally I'll have everything for a lead worked out note for note before entering the studio.

On the new EP we have a second guitarist sharing lead duties and he shares some of the same methods for writing his leads but probably some differences. He had everything worked out note for note aswell.[/QUOTE]

When you harmonize the guitar in your songs it makes it sound like theres 3 sometimes more guitarists, i tend to hear

Lead

2nd guitar-lead harmonized

Rhthym- power chords

quite often

Doesnt this make producing the same sound live impossible?

[QUOTE=fuel4fire]When you harmonize the guitar in your songs it makes it sound like theres 3 sometimes more guitarists, i tend to hear

Lead

2nd guitar-lead harmonized

Rhthym- power chords

quite often

Doesnt this make producing the same sound live impossible?[/QUOTE]

Yeah usually one guitar part is missing live. We've been advertising for a keyboardist for a long time. Some of our songs were actually written with keyboard parts (rhythm/chords & lead, as well as harmonizing with lead guitar) with the presumption that we'd have a keyboardist in the band by the time we were ready to record but since we didn't the harmonies (which were intended for a keyboardist) were done with guitar. Also since we couldn't find a keyboardist we've advertised for a third guitarist with no results.

So it's kinda like this hard decision to make. Do we still record all the parts we want to have on a recording or leave them out for the sake of reproducing the same sound live....or write differently all together? On Rusted Icons we had the same decision to make because at that time we were a three piece (me being the only guitarist). I decided to go with recording multiple guitar layers and then we would look for a second guitarist (which we have now). So that progression may continue still into the future where we add either a keyboardist or third guitarist to the lineup.

So far we've had pretty good feedback and reactions to our live shows and I think people don't notice too much that there may be parts lacking live that are on our recordings. But I personally can see that the addition of another musician could really add to our live sound.

Bravo, enough said, everyone else already said what i wanted to say

[QUOTE=JeffofBetrayer]Yeah usually one guitar part is missing live. We've been advertising for a keyboardist for a long time. Some of our songs were actually written with keyboard parts (rhythm/chords & lead, as well as harmonizing with lead guitar) with the presumption that we'd have a keyboardist in the band by the time we were ready to record but since we didn't the harmonies (which were intended for a keyboardist) were done with guitar. Also since we couldn't find a keyboardist we've advertised for a third guitarist with no results.

So it's kinda like this hard decision to make. Do we still record all the parts we want to have on a recording or leave them out for the sake of reproducing the same sound live....or write differently all together? On Rusted Icons we had the same decision to make because at that time we were a three piece (me being the only guitarist). I decided to go with recording multiple guitar layers and then we would look for a second guitarist (which we have now). So that progression may continue still into the future where we add either a keyboardist or third guitarist to the lineup.

So far we've had pretty good feedback and reactions to our live shows and I think people don't notice too much that there may be parts lacking live that are on our recordings. But I personally can see that the addition of another musician could really add to our live sound.[/QUOTE]


I see

/imagines Burden of the Pacifist with a keyboard and keyboard solos

A keyboard in your music would be great, I truely wish you luck in finding a keyboardist.

I think more people should play keyboards, I myself own one (its easier to learn music theory on a keyboard/piano than on guitar) but i still haven't had the time to pick it up, eventually i will pick it up but for now i just play guitar.

Is anything new going on with Betrayer?

We have a show coming up \m/

Betrayer will be performing at Urban Metal's Metal Night at The Polish Hall in Oshawa, Ontario on April 22nd, 2005. Betrayer will be performing with Pandaemonium, Virtuosity, Creeper, Thryvn, Torn Black and Heavens Loss. Tickets are only $5.00 in advance or $7.00 at the door.

Phone: (519) 791-5848

Location:
60 BANTING STREET
OSHAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA

Other than that I've been writing for our next full length album. Hopefully we'll get some kind of label support as a result of the new EP to record and release the next album but if we don't well go ahead and release it ourselves. Not exactly sure when we'll have that done but we're aiming for within a year.

Awesome, Definitely looking forward to it.

Yeah, Betrayer is such a breath of fresh air. It's great to hear some 80s metal again.

Heh, I remember posting back in this thread a year ago.

I love the new songs, especially Burden of the Pacifist. The lead guitar melody is awesome!

It's scarce to see stuff this good around MX forums. Very nice compositions. I'm noticing a major Iron Maiden vibe to "Burden of the Pacifist". Good luck guys, think sometime I'll buy your CDs to help you out.

Great stuff.

Vocals reminded me of Mustaine. Keep it up!

May I recommend more masculine vocals...good **** though.

[QUOTE=Stubb]May I recommend more masculine vocals...good **** though.[/QUOTE]

The vocals are awesome man. They sound way more power metal this time around Jeff, which sounds like what you were aiming for. Congrats, the whole thing is much better than last time (which is no mean feat itself). Burden of the Pacifist is definitely up there with the better Maiden tracks, very nicely done.

^ Yeah any way it's supposed to be like 80's metal which had a lot of singers with high voices.
I think his singing is almost a combination of Dave Mustaine and a little Bruce Dickinson.

Thanks for all the feedback and compliments!

[QUOTE]I love the new songs, especially Burden of the Pacifist. The lead guitar melody is awesome![/QUOTE]

Thanks, that one's my favorite too partly because of the harmonized lead guitar melodies.

[QUOTE]It's scarce to see stuff this good around MX forums. Very nice compositions. I'm noticing a major Iron Maiden vibe to "Burden of the Pacifist". Good luck guys, think sometime I'll buy your CDs to help you out.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, yeah that one probably has the biggest Maiden influence of anything we've written so far. Actually it was probably a combination of Maiden, Helloween and Edguy (which seem to have a heavy Maiden influence themselves), but especially Edguy with the power metal type double bass and anthem like chorus. I actually wanted the chorus to have a bigger choir type vocal sound......copying Edguy exactly lol, but didn't know quite how to harmonize it so we just did some doubling.

& thanks for the support if you do end up buying our CD's!

[QUOTE]The vocals are awesome man. They sound way more power metal this time around Jeff, which sounds like what you were aiming for.[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks, yeah that's one thing I've really been working at. Trying to have a more operatic/soaring vocal approach.

[QUOTE]Congrats, the whole thing is much better than last time (which is no mean feat itself). Burden of the Pacifist is definitely up there with the better Maiden tracks, very nicely done.[/QUOTE]

Wow, thanks that's about one of the highest compliments we could receive!

[QUOTE]I think his singing is almost a combination of Dave Mustaine and a little Bruce Dickinson.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's what I'd say too. When I first started singing it was Mustaine all the way. That's mainly what I was trying to sound like, along with a bit of Hetfield. But then I really started getting interested in expanding my range & learning how to sing without straining my vocal chords so Dickinson and a wide range of other singers became an influence towards that direction.

[QUOTE]Thanks, yeah that one probably has the biggest Maiden influence of anything we've written so far. Actually it was probably a combination of Maiden, Helloween and Edguy (which seem to have a heavy Maiden influence themselves), but especially Edguy with the power metal type double bass and anthem like chorus. I actually wanted the chorus to have a bigger choir type vocal sound......copying Edguy exactly lol, but didn't know quite how to harmonize it so we just did some doubling.[/QUOTE]

Thats exactly what i figured hahaha, when I told my friend about you guys I was telling him about how your music was going more power metal (he doesnt enjoy megadeth/metallica/other thrashy stuff) he decided to give it a listen and I told him to listen to Burden of the Pacifist because it had a strong Edguy influence.

Our band name is When Sorrow Sang, we play mostly emotional progressive metal vein. You could say a cross between Dream Theater and Opeth I guess, with the emotional music of Opeth and the technicality of Dream Theater, but we don't even come within a bee's diapraghm of talent...lol

URL is being constructed, I'll keep you updated.

We have just released a demo, if you live in Australia, particularly Melbourne, then you can get it from JB Hi-Fi for a limited time. Its titled Shards of a Broken Soul.

Oh, and I pretty much have all ur songs, totally loving it.
Keep up the good work. Just wish I could c u guys live!

Hey Yobbo Maiden, thanks glad you like our music. I'd like to hear your stuff, are you going to have any songs/clips up on your site when it's done? I haven't heard much of Opeth at all but I love Dream Theaters music (whatever I've heard from them....a couple albums, singles here and there & I saw one of their DVD's). Be sure to post your website on my band's message board when it's up (if you want).

Thats some tight work mate.........i hope you guys have long hair, thats my main worry