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metal guitar III 03-10-2005 10:07 AM

I'm 99% sure that Kirk not James played the leads on KEA.

EightyProof 03-10-2005 11:05 AM

Does anyone know how these guys play the solos so fast like on One and the solo after the slow one on Master of Puppets?

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 11:05 AM

[QUOTE=EightyProof]Does anyone know how these guys play the solos so fast like on One and the solo after the slow one on Master of Puppets?[/QUOTE]
By being good

EightyProof 03-10-2005 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=MXican]By being good[/QUOTE]

I know that but is there a special way they play them or is it just regular picking?

metal guitar III 03-10-2005 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=EightyProof]I know that but is there a special way they play them or is it just regular picking?[/QUOTE]
Alternate picking is how I would do it.

munky_magik 03-10-2005 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=EightyProof]Does anyone know how these guys play the solos so fast like on One and the solo after the slow one on Master of Puppets?[/QUOTE]
Practice.

Squiggle 03-10-2005 11:24 AM

theyre not especialy fast at all.

fenderbender89 03-10-2005 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=Squiggle]theyre not especialy fast at all.[/QUOTE]

Kirk's sh*t is FAST

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 12:20 PM

[QUOTE=fenderbender89]Kirk's sh*t is FAST :amaze:[/QUOTE]
I don't think it is anywhere near as fast as everyone says it is.

NP:Of wolf and man

metal guitar III 03-10-2005 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=fenderbender89]Kirk's sh*t is FAST[/QUOTE]
IMO, people like Marty Friedman and Jason Becker are sh*t fast. Much faster then Kirk.
NP: Testament-Into The Pit

Squiggle 03-10-2005 12:34 PM

[QUOTE=fenderbender89]Kirk's sh*t is FAST[/QUOTE]

no, go listen to some real guitar players.

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=Squiggle]no, go listen to some real guitar players.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go that far

Squiggle 03-10-2005 12:40 PM

i would, kirk is overhyped, sloppy and monotonous.

metal guitar III 03-10-2005 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=Squiggle]i would, kirk is overhyped, sloppy and monotonous.[/QUOTE]
It's true that he's overhyped.

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=Squiggle]i would, kirk is overhyped, sloppy and monotonous.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with one point you said there

Chu 03-10-2005 12:43 PM

Don't really need to be so hard on him.
It's obvious he hasn't heard much, if any Megadeth (And from that Marty Friedman), and I highly doubt he would have the fogiest idea who Jason Becker is.

You could instead, go about it in a different way and just recommend he listens to some Jason Becker or Marty Friedman (Maybe via Cacophony), and then listen to Kirk again and judge who has the speed.

munky_magik 03-10-2005 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=metal guitar III]IMO, people like Marty Friedman and Jason Becker are sh*t fast. Much faster then Kirk.
NP: Testament-Into The Pit[/QUOTE]
Rusty Cooley is much faster than them.
He sounds like a d[font=]a[/font]mn computer game :-/

metal guitar III 03-10-2005 12:47 PM

[QUOTE=Chu]Don't really need to be so hard on him.
It's obvious he hasn't heard much, if any Megadeth (And from that Marty Friedman), and I highly doubt he would have the fogiest idea who Jason Becker is.

You could instead, go about it in a different way and just recommend he listens to some Jason Becker or Marty Friedman (Maybe via Cacophony), and then listen to Kirk again and judge who has the speed.[/QUOTE]
You're right. I used to think Kirk was the fastest, but then I just went discovering more music and guitarists.
EDIT: I will check out Rusty Cooley

btoto 03-10-2005 01:05 PM

Yesterday was my 20th birthday. I went to buy SKOM, but couldn't find a pirate version (which is cheap), so I bought a Yngwie DVD.

Shi, I'm getting old :upset:

Chu 03-10-2005 01:10 PM

You're only a fraction older then me though.
But how fast does time go by now, I could have sworn yesterday was 2002 :x

I haven't got around to watching the second disc yet. I really just wanna see the rest of the Mustaine interview.

btoto 03-10-2005 01:26 PM

Chu
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I want to see that too. Too bad my list (of things to buy) is MEGAbig.

Yeah, time does run very fast. I remember the first time I saw/heard 'tallica on TV in 1998. And being at school back then I had no money to buy CDs or even cassetes. So I spent many nights in my friends room copying from his tapes.

Ah, good old days :p

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 01:34 PM

My list of thing to buy is HUGE too :upset:

munky_magik 03-10-2005 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=btoto]Yesterday was my 20th birthday. I went to buy SKOM, but couldn't find a pirate version (which is cheap), so I bought a Yngwie DVD.

Shi, I'm getting old :upset:[/QUOTE]
Happy Birthday for yesterday :chug:

btoto 03-10-2005 01:53 PM

munky magik
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Thanks a lot :beer:

Joe 03-10-2005 02:07 PM

[QUOTE=Squiggle]no, go listen to some real guitar players.[/QUOTE]

well bad start noob. anyone that plays guitar would be a guitar player now wouldn't they? who do you like that's so special?

Leper 03-10-2005 02:11 PM

I agree that Kirk isn't the fastest solo-ist out there, but i definitely wouldn't call him a sloppy guitar player. Anyone who's seen him in concert would agree that his skills are quite sound.

\m/Pete\m/ 03-10-2005 02:11 PM

I dont think Kirk gets the credit he really deserves. Sure he is over-rated to an extent, but i think thats mainly because of the fanboys only know of him because he's with Metallica. After i watch Live Sh*t B&P and he played that monsterous solo before he went into Little Wing, i gained a lot more respect from him.

Cooley is probably the fastest guitarist i have ever heard aside from Baitio, but i really cant stand stuff like that because there doesnt seem to be any real emotion in it. Its just kinda like "I can play THIS fast!...Oh yeah? I can play FASTER!"

The best instrumentalist's cd i have ever bought is Satch's Strange Beautiful Music

Satch owns all

PepsiMetal 03-10-2005 02:13 PM

Uh, who cares who's faster? A guitarist can be faster, but writes crappy music. Kirk isn't that fast, but I like the solos he writes. And he's not sloppy at all. His live performance solos are pretty much identical to the studio ones. What do you guys think about james? He's kinda better than kirk imo.

[QUOTE=\m/Pete\m/]Satch owns all[/QUOTE]

Uh, definetely not all.

Mister_Che 03-10-2005 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Uh, who cares who's faster? A guitarist can be faster, but writes crappy music. Kirk isn't that fast, but I like the solos he writes. And he's not sloppy at all. His live performance solos are pretty much identical to the studio ones. What do you guys think about james? He's kinda better than kirk imo.[/QUOTE]

James' solos are much more interesting in my opinion. Case in point: Orion.

\m/Pete\m/ 03-10-2005 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Uh, who cares who's faster? A guitarist can be faster, but writes crappy music. Kirk isn't that fast, but I like the solos he writes. And he's not sloppy at all. His live performance solos are pretty much identical to the studio ones. What do you guys think about james? He's kinda better than kirk imo.[/QUOTE]

His solo's in concert are different from the albums...if you've seen them before you'd know that he improvises a lot. As does the rest of the band

Six Foot Revolver 03-10-2005 02:15 PM

But the guy said kirk is overhyped, sloppy and monotonous.

wrongnote85 03-10-2005 02:16 PM

what solo does james play in orion? are you talking about the pretty part?

PepsiMetal 03-10-2005 02:17 PM

[QUOTE=\m/Pete\m/]His solo's in concert are different from the albums...if you've seen them before you'd know that he improvises a lot. As does the rest of the band[/QUOTE]

I have like 15 of their live performances. I have all of those mp3 songs as well, and trust me, they sound pretty much the same. Plus his timing is almost always good.

\m/Pete\m/ 03-10-2005 02:17 PM

i think its the part after the little bass solo isnt it?

wrongnote85 03-10-2005 02:19 PM

the bass figure by itself before the 3 part harmony or the actual bass solo after kirks and the key change in the middle?

Joe 03-10-2005 02:20 PM

it actually says in the little booklet in the cd i think

Mister_Che 03-10-2005 02:21 PM

I'm pretty sure he did all 3 solos. They just don't sound like Kirk to me...

Josh 03-10-2005 02:25 PM

doesnt james also play the solo in nothing else matters?

PepsiMetal 03-10-2005 02:26 PM

[QUOTE=sack-man]doesnt james also play the solo in nothing else matters?[/QUOTE]

Yes he does. It's pretty short though. :(

Leper 03-10-2005 02:28 PM

James's solos always seem more creative and original. I guess when you've written as many solos as kirk they start to get a little redundant.

/not bashing kirk.


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