I dont see how one could argue the fact that at higher tempos and higher levels of drumming and intrument/vocal distortion, the amount of clarity is already reduced no matter how good a producer or his equipment is...Again, when compared with slow to mid-paced tempo songs.

[QUOTE=masterchaos;15686242]hurff durfff haarrr duuurrrr urrrrrrr gaaaah durrrf[/QUOTE]

stop that.

Seriously, learn about what you're talking about. You're just spewing **** right now.

So why dont you enlighten me since you have yet to do so.

I forgot you're an expert when it comes to this. Go ahead, the floor is yours.

Higher bitrate = You hear more of the music and the sound is produced in a much fuller way. It's pretty much common sense. If you decide to not be dumb forever read through this a bit:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate#Audio_.28MP3.29[/url]

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15686262]Higher bitrate = You hear more of the music and the sound is produced in a much fuller way. It's pretty much common sense.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. But what he's trying to say is since there is so much more audio information, death metal tends to sound worse when compressed then something like rap, which has less audio information that can be removed during lossy compression.

You two need to quit being dicks to each other. There's a way to discuss things intelligently.

Im talking about the initial recording and then being compressed into a lower bitrate...wow.

to ghoul

Im glad we're on the same page Val

Be careful how you throw around the term bitrate, especially when talking about the initial recording. Bit Rate (or Bit Depth) is a completely different thing in digital recording.

Just FYI.

[QUOTE=Valhall;15686270]Exactly. But what he's trying to say is since there is so much more audio information, death metal tends to sound worse when compressed then something like rap, which has less audio information that can be removed during lossy compression.

You two need to quit being dicks to each other. There's a way to discuss things intelligently.[/QUOTE]
The audio information doesn't real mean anything. It's the actual song. Most hip hop needs a very good quality and bit rate to be good.

I'm just a dick because he never has anything of quality to say.
[QUOTE=masterchaos;15686271]Im talking about the initial recording and then being compressed into a lower bitrate...wow.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15686278] Most hip hop needs a very good quality and bit rate to be good.


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Any kind of music does. But I'm not going to fight that battle; I've already been flamed for that one here.

I'm just saying that in the rap and death metal I have listened to, both squashed to hell, the death metal takes the brunt of it. That's just my experience, and I attributed it to those characteristics. But realistically, no music needs to be compressed that much (or at all; I'd rather ban mp3s altogether). MP3 was originally designed for Film audio, to be able to fit on the film with the visual.

However, I'm going to get out of this now, because like I said, here I have no ally in the music quality battle. (Besides you, to a certain extent.)

I'm listening to Winds Of Creation right now in 128 kbs.

It sounds just fine. Granted I [i]prefer[/i] 192, but not all 128 rips sound bad.

You may have had a heavily transcoded version BRA.

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15686278]The audio information doesn't real mean anything. It's the actual song. Most hip hop needs a very good quality and bit rate to be good.

I'm just a dick because [B]he never has anything of quality to say[/B].[/QUOTE]

And you could honestly say that about yourself how? Its not like you knew anything to begin with. You looked it up on wikipedia and then posted the link.

The initial argument was due to miscommunication. We just thought the opposite of what the other meant.

[QUOTE=Luc214;15686287]I'm listening to Winds Of Creation right now in 128 kbs.

It sounds just fine. Granted I [i]prefer[/i] 192, but not all 128 rips sound bad.

You may have had a heavily transcoded version BRA.[/QUOTE]

Well, it also really depends on the original production. They teach you in recording school to keep in mind what format (and kinds of speakers) most kids are going to be listening to the music in, and also to mix it with that in mind. I don't think many engineers do, though.

[QUOTE=masterchaos;15686289]And you could honestly say that about yourself how? Its not like you knew anything to begin with. You looked it up on wikipedia and then posted the link.
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I've been here for a long time and have started tons of great discussion. I spam now because there's nothing else to do with idiots like you running in circles.

lol@me not knowing about it

Any random music listener knows what I said. Don't put me down because you're so stupid.

Josh, why can't we be lovers? :lol:

Meh, I never really notice in what bitrate the music i download is.

You'll notice it when it sounds like ****. Or if you're listening on good monitors.

Or if you spend 8 hours in class in a studio being told what to look/listen for and hearing it.

[QUOTE=Valhall;15686302]Josh, why can't we be lovers? :lol:[/QUOTE]

IM A BITTER OLD MAN GTFO MY LAWN KIDS

Rofl.

[QUOTE]I've been here for a long time and have started tons of great discussion. I spam now because there's nothing else to do with idiots like you running in circles.

lol@me not knowing about it

Any random music listener knows what I said. Don't put me down because you're so stupid.[/QUOTE]
We were agreeing on the same thing. Im pretty sure Val cleared that up and he knew what I was getting at as well, so you must be just as stupid.

But I am happy that you've been here for so long. You even have over 5x the posts I do. I truely am in awe.

a lot of metal, especially death, sounds bad at 128 kbps. especially if the drummer does a lot of cymbal work

[QUOTE=masterchaos;15686319]
But I am happy that you've been here for so long. You even have over 5x the posts I do. I truely am in awe.[/QUOTE]

i bet i spent all my time here and am a smelly nerd too huh

ICECOLDBURN

[QUOTE=masterchaos;15686319]We were agreeing on the same thing. Im pretty sure Val cleared that up and he knew what I was getting at as well, so you must be just as stupid.

But I am happy that you've been here for so long. You even have over 5x the posts I do. I truely am in awe.[/QUOTE]

Shut the f[size=2]u[/size]ck up, please. Your pointless s[size=2]h[/size]it posts are annoying.

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15686325]i bet i spent all my time here and am a smelly nerd too huh

ICECOLDBURN[/QUOTE]

I didnt say that....

I dont care to know [I]that[/I] much about you

and hpb what was the point of that post?

Will you people just stop. Damn. Music sucks when it sounds bad. Stupid people compress too much. Leave it at that. ****.


Anyway, anyone else like Impending Doom?

[QUOTE=Valhall;15686333]Will you people just stop. Damn. Music sucks when it sounds bad. Stupid people compress too much. Leave it at that. ****.


Anyway, anyone else like Impending Doom?[/QUOTE]


NO!!

Yeah I like 'em

I just MySpace'd them and had to shut it off in like 20 seconds. Surprise surprise.

You suck.:p

I've been listening to Monstrosity's [I]Millennium[/I] and I really like it except for the fact the vocals are a tad crappy

You should probably listen to some of their good albums.

Like Spiritual Apocalypse or Imperial Doom.