Agnosticism is more thinking that if there is a god then its too complex of an idea for humans to grasp, atheism is outright denial of any powers existence.

But if you think that it is way to complex an idea it is denouncing the legitimacy of any and all religions seen as they are trying to bring God to the people. So it is not far from Atheism because they are denoucing any form of organised religion.

They are both denouncing them, but atheism is saying that there DEFINITELY isnt a god, and Agnosticism is saying that there might be but we will never understand it. Still similar.

Well i wouldnt say there is 100% definately not a God but i think that one day we will understand it. So i dont know where i fit.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13953671]What makes me not belive in the first place is that the bible is ridiculous, walking on water, feeding 5000 people with a loaf of bread, an ark that housed two of every animal in the world and survived a global flood that never happened, the world being created in seven days. S'hit like that just doesnt happen in real life.[/QUOTE]

Most people see those as metaphors, and don't take them literally, which I think is how they're meant to be taken. I also think some of the stories in the bible are just that, stories, and not really meant to be taken as anything else.

Unfortunately, there are many people who interperet the bible word for word, and that causes problems.

Wow, religion in the blink thread?

What happened to the poopy poo-poo caca? :(

The catholic religion claims the stories in the bible are metaphorical and are to teach moral lessons.

Unfortunately most people don't actually know this and use the stories to try and prove that catholics are wrong.

There are other strands of christianity that do take the bible literally however, which is sad, although they do make nice stories to read.

Catholocism when approached open mindedly isn't so bad as people make out. On the whole, most catholics are not hard-line catholics, who interpret the bible word for word. Most catholics understand that alot of the things in the Bible are purely metaphorical, there to serve the purpose of teaching lessons in some way.

However, the same applies to most religions, with the hard line believers seemingly distorting the religions true meaning. Oh the irony.

Sort of like the Vatican.

Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?. Christians are rediculous, living in fear of something that doesn't exist and spending most of their sundays worshipping a being that can be compared to Santa or the easter bunny. I could say God is an asshole, and I'd like to tie him to a chair and f[I]u[/I]ck his sister in front of him and my life will remain the same. I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.

I personally don't see anything wrong with religion on a personal level. It's not about the proof that God exists, it's about the faith that someone is there, and even if he's not, it's sort of like a placebo. If you really believe, chances are good you'll feel better about yourself and do better.

[QUOTE=yourstruly;13958500]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?[/QUOTE]

When I apply for a job at a place that requires I shave my beard, I can tell them, "I'm Jewish. I can't shave my beard because it's against my beliefs." Then I can keep my face monster and not worry about it.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool]Sort of like the Vatican.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much.

[QUOTE=yourstruly]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?. Christians are rediculous, living in fear of something that doesn't exist and spending most of their sundays worshipping a being that can be compared to Santa or the easter bunny. I could say God is an asshole, and I'd like to tie him to a chair and **** his sister in front of him and my life will remain the same. I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/QUOTE]

Stupidist comment itt, period.
How can you prove that there is in fact no God?
Thats right.
You cant.
You know that 'most of their sundays', that equates to one hour at mass for the majority of christians/catholics.
And you know that set of rules to be a good person or keep yourself/others in control? It's very alike to the law bro.

Well done, you have successfully proven yourself to be the stupidist, most hypocritical pper. Congratulations.

dude he's been the dumbest pper for as long as i can remember

[quote=yourstruly]I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/quote]

lol

I dont buy the whole metaphorical thing at all. The stories were always intended by its authors to be absolute fact, were re-written/interpreted by the Roman and Vatican Church as absolute fact. Its only recently that moderate Christians have realised how unbelievable pretty much all of the old testament is and gone for the metaphorical angle, when it just doesnt work.

For example Jesus came to earth to cleanse us of our sins because of Adam and Eve. Of course any normal person can tell you Adam and Eve never happened so i dont really think its feasable that the son of God came to earth and was nailed to a cross and tortured to death all for some metaphorical story about sin.

Elim:
Pretty much

lunch:
Suit yourself man. Just don't go hating for beliefs like the PP resident dick head up there did.

Religion can have good or bad influences of people. eg. Muslim Extremist's... Or the nice lady who goes to Sunday Church and is always friendly and polite.

It depends person to person. I agree with the 10 commandments. The world would be a better place if people followed them.

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So the world would be a better place if people were mudered for working on a sunday, cause is pretty much what it says.

[quote]
lunch:
Suit yourself man. Just don't go hating for beliefs like the PP resident dick head up there did.[/quote]

Its cool, i can just go to the Politics and News forum where being a dick towards religion is applauded :D

Yeah man, that forum is bad :(

haha its great once you realise how to post there.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13959128]So the world would be a better place if people were mudered for working on a sunday, cause is pretty much what it says.



Its cool, i can just go to the Politics and News forum where being a dick towards religion is applauded :D[/QUOTE]

LOL it doesnt say you get murdered.

Im not religious. But ino thats not what it says.

I believe the line is "keep the sabbath holy", which has always been interpreted by Jews and early/medieval christians as not working, cooking, cleaning or doing anything except going to the synagogue/church etc.. on the sabbath.

The Christian sabbath day is a sunday, therefore all Christians who work on a sunday are breaking one of the ten commandments, the punishment for which is "Utter and complete destruction"

It seems pretty simple to me.

Ironically the classic candidate for working on a Sunday is the vicar himself.

It also says you will be stoned to death for starting a fire on a sunday :) I cant remember if i've ever done that yet.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13959233]I believe the line is "keep the sabbath holy", which has always been interpreted by Jews and early/medieval christians as not working, cooking, cleaning or doing anything except going to the synagogue/church etc.. on the sabbath.

The Christian sabbath day is a sunday, therefore all Christians who work on a sunday are breaking one of the ten commandments, the punishment for which is "Utter and complete destruction"

It seems pretty simple to me.

Ironically the classic candidate for working on a Sunday is the vicar himself.

It also says you will be stoned to death for starting a fire on a sunday :) I cant remember if i've ever done that yet.[/QUOTE]
I can back the first part. You go to hell for not keeping the sabbath day holy. Though you can still seek redemtion and you won't go to hell. The second part I've never heard of.

I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13959719]I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.[/QUOTE]

Me either, I believe if you follow the basic guidlines of the bible there's nothing wrong at all with it.

I just choose not to, as I don't want to base my beliefs on lies, so instead I basically go by buddism, though not quite. I believe in no higher power, but I'll respect anyone at all about their beliefs, so long as they don't shove them down my throat.

[QUOTE=yourstruly;13958500]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?. Christians are rediculous, living in fear of something that doesn't exist and spending most of their sundays worshipping a being that can be compared to Santa or the easter bunny. I could say God is an spatula, and I'd like to tie him to a chair and f[I]u[/I]ck his sister in front of him and my life will remain the same. I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot. Don't post anymore.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13959719]I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.[/QUOTE]

New testament isnt so bad although its built on the premise that jesus was the son of god which i dont accept, but the old testament has an awful morality to it and pretty much centres on God smoting everyone who slightly displeases him.

Also people dont need a book to be a good person, human morality has scarcely improve from the pagan days through the medieval times so it doesnt seem like anything Jesus said has really made much of a difference.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13960675]New testament isnt so bad although its built on the premise that jesus was the son of god which i dont accept, but the old testament has an awful morality to it and pretty much centres on God smoting everyone who slightly displeases him.[/QUOTE]

Umm..No it doesn't?

Have you ever actually read the bible?

I questioned my belief in god a while back, and decided that before I did anything, I was going to make my own decision, not let what others say influence me. So I went and read the bible to see for myself what was truth and what wasn't. It was actually a very good read, and I really feel after reading it I can safely state my opinion, knowing I can back it up with what I've learned myself, not just from someone else.

God doesn't kill everyone who displeases him at all. It just shows a much darker side to god than what most people.

[B]For ANYONE who's intrested in this at all, I'd really like you all to read "The Last Templar"..And though it's just another Da Vinci Code kinda' book, it is, in my opinion, much better. I liked it mostly not because of the fact it had to do with The Knight's Templar, but more so that it gives you a good view of the bible and the events surrounding the time of it's creation.[/B]

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky]Also people dont need a book to be a good person, human morality has scarcely improve from the pagan days through the medieval times so it doesnt seem like anything Jesus said has really made much of a difference.[/QUOTE]
Again I disagree with you. What Jesus said has made a HUGE difference in the world today. Yes alot of people do many things wrong in the name of god (I.e. "Holy" wars) but so many people do right in the name of god also. I know this family, that's deeply religious, and though I believe all they base their lives on is false, I know that because of this false belief they've done some great things. You may not need god to do right, but most people find an empty hole in them without the belief in a higher power.

If today, we suddenly had the proof that everything the bible is about is false, and that Jesus (Actually know as Jeshua/Joshua/etc. [He wasn't actually named "Jesus Christ" until a while after his death]) would you show it to the world? Destroy the lives of thousands of people? Bring upon pain to every true Christian in the world? I know I wouldn't. I don't agree with it, and I believe it's all been a huge lie, based upon a man who tried to get everyone to get along. Thousands of people have spun more into the tale of Jesus and the truth is now so lost that there's no chance of ever really knowing the truth anymore. But I know that if I had the evidence to tear down Christianity and show them the truth, that they worship a mere man, who did nothing more than what many people do today, I wouldn't do it. Millions of people need the comfort of feeling a higher presence, and if it must be done by a distorted truth, then that is fine with me.


/Massive post.

Of course ive read the bible, i went to a catholic school. But i havent believed it since i was 10 or around then anyway.

Ive read the Templar Revalations and Holy Blood and Holy Grail. Their too much of a conspiracy for me and seen as i am in no doubt that Jesus was not the son of God im not really bothered whether or not he had a family, a wife or if he existed at all.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13960727]Of course ive read the bible, i went to a catholic school. But i havent believed it since i was 10 or around then anyway.

Ive read the Templar Revalations and Holy Blood and Holy Grail. Their too much of a conspiracy for me and seen as i am in no doubt that Jesus was not the son of God im not really bothered whether or not he had a family, a wife or if he existed at all.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about a different book. This doesn't discuss that (Well it does, but that's very brief and not at all the focus of the book).

Jesus was a political figure, not the son of god, he had a family, a wife, kids. He had a brother, named James. But of course, this can't really be proven, or at least few accept it as fact, as it goes against what the bible says.