But you said you have to know theory to be original, I think he's pretty original in his riffing, i.e Holy Wars, Tornado of Souls. He uses alot of major harmonies too in minor keys so it sounds pdd but cool. I don't think it'd be natural for a theory knower to do that because they'll be thinking, this isn't diatonic, I'll make it. At least, that's how my brain works.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]But you said you have to know theory to be original, I think he's pretty original in his riffing, i.e Holy Wars, Tornado of Souls. He uses alot of major harmonies too in minor keys so it sounds pdd but cool. [B]I don't think it'd be natural for a theory knower to do that because they'll be thinking, this isn't diatonic, I'll make it.[/B] At least, that's how my brain works.[/QUOTE]
Skill =/= originality.

How do you make a connection between tonality and steps?

Major harmonies exist within minor keys and vice versa.

Edit: we should probably takes this to the megadeth thread or aim.

I know they do but he uses them chromatically, like in Holy Wars and another one I can't remember the name of.

A-4-3-2-
E-5-4-3- like that.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I know they do but he uses them chromatically, like in Holy Wars and another one I can't remember the name of.

[B]A-4-3-2-
E-5-4-3-[/B] like that.[/QUOTE]
I dont really know what you mean. But to me that looks like hes using passing tones.

Well what I tabbed would be implying AMaj, AbMaj and GMaj. If he was in Emin, the AMaj and AbMaj aren't diatonic, so if it was me, I wouldn't do anything like that naturally because I think very diatonically because I know theory, which is why I think Dave is original and creative because he [b]does[/b] do things like this.
That's a part from "Angry Again" which I believe is in Emin.

Anywho, I'm going to bed.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Well what I tabbed would be implying AMaj, AbMaj and GMaj. If he was in Emin, the AMaj and AbMaj aren't diatonic, so if it was me, I wouldn't do anything like that naturally because I think very diatonically because I know theory, which is why I think Dave is original and creative because he [b]does[/b] do things like this.
That's a part from "Angry Again" which I believe is in Emin.

Anywho, I'm going to bed.[/QUOTE]
How much theory have you taken?

In modern Art music this is very common.


well anyways good debate.

SRV is the same way BTW.

No knowledge of theory, but still an amazing guitarist. There are always exception to everything.

I haven't taken any as in college or a teacher, I learnt all mine through personal study, the music course at my college sucks, the furthest they've gone is the circle of fifths.

:lol:

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I haven't taken any as in college or a teacher, I learnt all mine through personal study, the music course at my college sucks, the furthest they've gone is the circle of fifths.

:lol:[/QUOTE]
Wow... thats horrible(music course), but you made a good arguement. When put in context of his genre I'll have too agree.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]How much theory have you taken?

In modern Art music this is very common.


well anyways good debate.

SRV is the same way BTW.

No knowledge of theory, but still an amazing guitarist. There are always exception to everything.[/QUOTE]


Theory helps but you can be original and write great music without theory.

I've jammed out for great sounding riffs without debating theory for hours on what to play before hand.

Edit:

I've played for a couple hours a day, most days over the last 2 years.

My arm never gets tired nor has it fallen off.

As far as I'm concerned your a elitist piece of s[size="2"]hi[/size]t.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]Wow... thats horrible(music course), but you made a good arguement. When put in context of his genre I'll have too agree.[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, it was cool. :chug:

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Theory helps but you can be original and write great music without theory.

[B]I've jammed out for great sounding riffs without debating theory for hours on what to play before hand.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thats not how things work bud. No one debates theory before they play, When you know theory you can tweak what you naturally want to play. There are exceptions but they are few and far between.

Why cant you actually back what you say. BTW I was trying to help you out.

Playing guitar is like everything you do that is physical: singing, exercising, Lift heavy objects. You can get away with doing it the wrong way for awhile but you'll eventually you'll injure yourself. Its no skin off my nose if you have to learn it the hard way.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]Thats not how things work bud. No one debates theory before they play, When you know theory you can tweak what you naturally want to play. There are exceptions but they are few and far between.[/QUOTE]

It's needed and helps greatly if you want to do something like Alexi.

Writing intricit solo's and lead.

I and most people play what sounds good.

If it sounds good to the ear... No matter what notes it is... It is good.

I have played long enough to the point where I know which areas sound like what.

In the end.... I don't care what some dipf[size="2"]uc[/size]k like you says.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]It's needed and helps greatly if you want to do something like Alexi.

Writing intricit solo's and lead.

I and most people play what sounds good.

If it sounds good to the ear... No matter what notes it is... It is good.

I have played long enough to the point where I know which areas sound like what.

In the end.... I don't care what some dipf[size="2"]uc[/size]k like you says.[/QUOTE]
But you don't know why the sound good. Knowledge is the key to life my friend.

Whoa, this threads changed a bit from when I was last in it. I think theory knowledge is important in writing music but many people, like Mustaine (I don't think Hetfield knows any music theory either) can write great songs without it. If it sounds good to the ear it's good, theory is important but what sounds good to you doesn't need to obey theory rules.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]But you don't know why the sound good. Knowledge is the key to life my friend.[/QUOTE]

Did you just learn that?

I don't play guitar to debate the musicial version of "truth and reason".

I'm more concerned about if it sounds good, then why.

I'll prolly work on some theory in the future.

I just don't see it as key.

OFF TOPIC:
I'm aware of the genre mailing lists n s[size=2]h[/size]it, but how come they don't have a video one, that would be cool. If I had a larger harddrive I've has an insane amount of videos but at the moment I shoot for the rarer ones.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]you can be original and write great music without theory.
[/QUOTE]
That is 100% impossible.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]OFF TOPIC:
I'm aware of the genre mailing lists n s[size=2]h[/size]it, but how come they don't have a video one, that would be cool. If I had a larger harddrive I've has an insane amount of videos but at the moment I shoot for the rarer ones.[/QUOTE]No more mailing lists, I thought.. Videos take too much space.

I know there's no more mailing lists but I was just wondering why there wasn't any...ever. 1 video is about the same size as 1 album though eh. 30-70mb depending.

Okay then. I don't know why there wasn't one before.

[QUOTE=Forlorn Hope]I don't think it's that he can't understand them, I think it's just that he never bothered to ever learn them because he never felt the need to.[/QUOTE]

Yes Dave Mustaine is pretty musically illiterate... he can't even read tablature. He didn't know what a pentatonic scale was until somebody told him he was playing one.

I don't know if this has been posted here before, but you gotta see this:

First visit :
[URL="http://www.skateforum.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1801"]http://www.skateforum.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1801[/URL]
Search for Maggot's post (on this moment, the last post)
You'll see "http://media.putfile.com/Children-of-Bodom---Guitar-Dual"
Click that link.

I'm sorry but i can not copy paste the link immediatly, i don't know why. Just a weird link withouth .html behind.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran][b]OK people, this is the song that Alexi and Roope solo'd over in Demonstration 2 on Passage to the Reaper which you can find [url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-752947032142755325&q=Children+of+Bodom]here.[/url][/b]

It's from one of Roope's old bands called Waltari and is titled "Move".
If you've seen the jam then this will definately be a suprise. :)

[i]hxxp://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1Q4KMWPN0OH6N23X3WZSUGJNCJ[/i]

Change hxxp to http.

Man, when they go up to G#, it sounds so powerful!![/QUOTE]
thank you, great.... i was looking for that song since over a year :D

now i only need the tabs ...

krook3d - I clicked on the link and it says I have to log in...

repcak - glad you like it, I think it's kinda cool too.

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